iLLtheClown said:

I think Lucem is bi-belief curious. He doesn't know what the fuck to lean towards. Teachers, cops, doctors are put up on a high moral pedestal as well. Cops & doctors are meant to help but take your kid to a doctor and your kids at risk or a cop at school fucks your kid. Your kid getting groped by a teacher they should be teaching not touching. Do you understand why what you think is true is partially incorrect? The moral pedestal isn't just for the people of a faith you hate.

 

Lucem a bi-belief curious hyper-religious wacko.

I just call my self an agnostic atheist, to agnostic to be an atheist yet to atheist to be an agnostic.

This is a country where people are mainly Christian or Catholic. People put Priests on higher pedestals than teachers, cops or doctors. Priests are looked at as divine people, people of God. God is supposed to represent everything that is righteous. So when somebody who lives a life devoted towards something that's supposed to be righteous then uses the trust they are given from that to fuck children, it's going to make a much bigger buzz than a doctor or cop or teacher. Teachers are starting to get the same reputation, especially P.E. teachers and high school coaches, but they aren't nearly as respected as Priests are. Cops have always been looked at as dirty. Doctors, I never heard a story about a doctor fucking a kid, but I wouldn't doubt it.

I'm not saying that I hate Priests, and I'm not saying that Priests should get all the heat or even be stereotyped. I'm just giving my theory on why Priests get all the shit for it.

I wouldn't call myself bi-belief curious, just bi-belief if you are referring to the fact that I'd call my self an agnostic atheist.

I'm definitely not hyper-religious, I don't belong to any religion.

I might be a wacko, or maybe just strange, then again these days everybody thinks they are wacko, probably because we live in a society that tells it's people they are wacko over stupid shit.

scruffy said:

opinions [with a capital o]:

– i dont care for the smorgasbord approach, picking out what you like and disregarding the rest, that thelemitists tend to adopt.

– crowley was a flake.  a fairly intelligent, charismatic flake, but still a flake.  especially if you note how much of his philosophy was geared toward him busting his nut.  'how to succeed', indeed…

– atheists who are also crowleyites crack me up, since there are a number of god figures.  thelema is polytheistic.  just like ancient rome.  and i dont accept the multiple metaphors argument.  'when we say ra, we mean the inner eye inside all of us' and shit like that.  thats a cop out.

– put two crowleyites in a room, and within three minutes, they will disagree with each other.  an hour later, they are enemies. 

okay, im done talkin shit.  [for now… heh heh]

im assuming you have at least a passing familiarity with discordianism and such.  ever read r a wilsons stuff?  also a flake, probably twice the flake that crowley was, but more interesting.  better writer.

 

i will leave with one of my all-time favorite philosophy quotes:

   'it is inherently foolish to follow a belief system invented by another person.'

     scruffy reckufrethom, 1996

There is a base core for what we believe in, and the rest is up to the person to interpret because people are supposed to look into themselves and know what they need to do to better themselves. The book of the law has parts that are just complete gibberish to me, yet it has parts that really pop out because they perfectly reflect something that I know I need to do to improve myself.

Crowley might have just been writing a bunch of stupid shit while going on drug binges and such, but regardless I still gained something from his teachings. His beliefs are based upon self awareness. Knowing yourself and doing what you know will ultimately result in your life's positivity.

No it's not a cop out. He's a very cryptic person, and yeah, a lot of his Gods are used for metaphors. Some believe they are real entities, I don't. “The Thelemic theological system utilizes the divinities of various cultures and religions as personifications of specific divine, archetypal and cosmic forces.” I mean, majority of us are atheist for a reason. Trust me, that is one thing that people tend to argue that I have always provided proof of them being wrong on.

I've never seen that to be honest. I haven't met too many Thelemites. Same could be said about anybody though, that's a stereotype that you are going to place on all Thelemites sort of how when a juggalo kills somebody people stereotype us all as murders and then the FBI stereotypes us all and puts us on a gang list.

I don't follow the belief system to be fair, I only call myself a Thelemite because the beliefs taught in Thelema are the same beliefs that I have. Nothing in that religion contradicts what I believe and majority of the core beliefs are equivalent to my own core beliefs. Sort of like how I only call myself a juggalo because I like ICP, the title description matches me, I have Thelemic beliefs so why not just call myself a Thelemite. I mean, If I was going to just be a follower of beliefs I'd probably have went with Laveyan Satanism, but the beliefs in Laveyan Satanism did not match my own so I dumped it.

I mean, if you haven't heard my rants I obviously have my own philosophies that I follow that I don't think Thelema has ever taught.

Personally, I've always really questioned whether or not to call my self a Thelemite, I read The Book Of The Law, I admire Crowley's work, but do I really need to be Thelemic? I've never really learned anything from Thelema I didn't already know, it only made certain things clearer to me as well as put many of my beliefs into words. I guess Thelema sometimes just gives me that extra push, to strive to be or do something better. It is my motivation. Certain quotes inspire me, the symbolism and the text has it's own meaning for me. Being Thelemic isn't about following, it's more about leading. That's why it's meant to be interpreted by the individual, it's not telling you how to live or what to do, it just says do what you do, don't blindly follow things, and don't let stupid things and stupid situations try to prevent you from doing what you do.

iLL, that is agreeable. I don't think people should blame ever teacher or every priest. I bet there are way more good priests than there are pedophile priests, it's just that the media puts all the bad shit on blast while the good shit gets ignored so we don't hear about priests that do really great things, we only hear about the ones fucking our children. It also doesn't help that we live in a society where we define each other by our titles rather than our individual selves. Priests are pedophiles, cops are crooked and politicians are evil, the teachings of society.