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BIG Update from ICP’s FBI Lawsuit!

Juggalos and Juggalettes: we finally have some GOOD news coming out of the ICP vs FBI lawsuit!  This past Tuesday, February 25th, a federal judge out of Flint, MI ruled that the FBI failed to provide all of the information that it took for them to deem Juggalos as a gang!  Basically, they either fucked up and didn’t think it was important enough to get their information to them in time, or they flat out don’t have enough evidence to prove that we’re some sort of organized violent street gang.  I suspect the latter.

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FLINT, MI — A federal judge has ruled that the FBI failed to show it made a good faith effort to fulfill a Freedom of Information Act by attorneys for the Insane Clown Posse seeking info on why the duo’s Juggalos fans have been deemed a gang.

Flint U.S. District Judge Mark A. Goldsmith issued the written ruling Tuesday, Feb. 25, following a Jan. 16 summary disposition hearing where the FBI asked the judge to dismiss a lawsuit filed by ICP in September 2012.

The lawsuit claims the band asked the FBI through an Aug. 24, 2012, Freedom of Information Act request for information regarding an investigation that led to the Juggalos being listed as a gang in the National Gang Intelligence Center’s 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment Emerging Trends report.

Passages of the report refer to the Juggalos as a “loosely-organized hybrid gang” that “exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in criminal activity and violence.”

FBI spokesman David Porter declined to comment on the ruling, citing ongoing litigation. Howard Hertz, an attorney with the firm that filed the lawsuit, could not be reached for comment.

The FBI argued in its motion to dismiss, which was filed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, that the bureau turned over all pertinent records in two separate releases.

However, attorneys from Hertz Schram, which represents the Oakland County-based duo, claimed that the FBI did not release all of the requested information and they questioned the adequacy of the bureau’s search for documents.

READ: The documents the FBI released to Hertz Schram

“… (T)he FBI has not met its burden of demonstrating that its search for the requested records was sufficiently responsive to Plaintiff’s FOIA request,” Goldsmith wrote in his ruling.

The band’s attorneys point to a March 11, 2012, FOIA request filed by the websiteMuckRock.com as proof that the FBI was not releasing all of the information sought by the FOIA request submitted by the band’s attorneys.

READ: The documents the FBI released to MuckRock.com

MuckRock, which operates as a proxy service for individuals filing FOIA requests, submitted the request on behalf of a user, which the band’s attorneys claim is “substantively identical” though differently worded than the band’s request.

The band’s attorneys argue in their response to the government’s summary disposition motion that the band received and the response the MuckRock user received were different.

Goldsmith shot down the MuckRock argument, saying that the mere fact that additional documents may exist and were not disclosed did not make the FBI’s record search inadequate.

However, Goldsmith ruled that the FBI’s search was inadequate because the bureau did not sufficiently detail its search process and that the agency misconstrued the nature of the FOIA request.

Goldsmith ruled that the FBI’s National Gang Intelligence Center failed to detail how it organized or searched its files related to request nor did it detail its process used to ensure that it would respond appropriately.

The judge also ruled that FBI only responded to a portion of the FOIA request by turning over documents that the NGIC relied upon in classifying the Juggalos as a gang and not documents regarding the bureau’s investigation into the Juggalos prior to the listing. Goldsmith also ruled that the FBI failed to turn over documents that were created after the creation of the 2011 report that were covered by the FOIA request.

Goldsmith has ordered Hertz Schram and the FBI to submit briefs in March on how the case should proceed after the ruling.

Four ICP fans, along with performers Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope — whose real names are Joseph Bruce and Joseph Ulster — filed a second lawsuit in January against the FBI that challenges the gang listing.

“To brand an entire group based on the actions of a few, it is wrong, it is ridiculous and the constitution does not allow it,” said Saura Sahu, a lawyer working with the American Civil Liberties Union.

The government has not yet filed a response to the new lawsuit.

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    Faygoluvers Comments

  1. Frog

    Frog

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 03:38 pm GMT -5 at 3:38 pm

    Good news. Good step for us in the Lawsuit.

  2. scruffy

    scruffy

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 03:50 pm GMT -5 at 3:50 pm

    and now, the big one.

  3. JabroniKilla

    JabroniKilla

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 05:54 pm GMT -5 at 5:54 pm

    the fbi got a file on me man corporate avenger was the shit

  4. MaskedNinja

    MaskedNinja

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 08:43 pm GMT -5 at 8:43 pm

    ICP deserves a lot of resect fighting for Juggalos. I fucking love these guys (ICP). Juggalos are not a fucking gang and thank god ICP is fighting for them.

    MCL!

  5. 86

    86

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 09:23 pm GMT -5 at 9:23 pm

    Whoop Whoop! I’m glad to finally see some good news! Thank you J and Shaggy for everything you’ve done to fight this. I know we haven’t officially won this yet, but it’s moved in our favor.

  6. randy gall

    randy gall

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 09:24 pm GMT -5 at 9:24 pm

    I would take a dump on there steps man! I aint in no gang but I can kick a guys ass!

  7. wonka69

    wonka69

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 11:56 pm GMT -5 at 11:56 pm

    so… will i.c.p. be able 2 sell merch, in mall? that’s what’s this lawsuit is all about!

  8. wonka69

    wonka69

    Comment posted on Thursday, February 27th, 2014 11:57 pm GMT -5 at 11:57 pm

    so… will i.c.p. be able 2 sell merch, in a mall? that’s what’s this lawsuit is all about!

  9. prosinz

    Comment posted on Friday, February 28th, 2014 11:57 am GMT -5 at 11:57 am

    What wonka69 said. This is about making money, selling t-shirts and being able to make money at the gathering without it being considered a gang convention. if you believe ICP actually gives a fuck about juggalos you’re a fuckin idiot. ICP brainwashes little kids into believing this “family” bullshit so they can make easy money from their talentless music

  10. scruffy

    scruffy

    Comment posted on Friday, February 28th, 2014 07:51 pm GMT -5 at 7:51 pm

    why are you here?

  11. ohmisterpabbit

    Comment posted on Friday, February 28th, 2014 08:35 pm GMT -5 at 8:35 pm

    A step in the right direction. I hope that things continue in this way.

  12. RydaFoLife

    RydaFoLife

    Comment posted on Wednesday, March 26th, 2014 10:29 pm GMT -5 at 10:29 pm

    While they were brainwashing little kids they were also busy brainwashing idiots to think their merch was removed from stores. When it was not, and won’t be. Hot topic and spencers still sell their shit.

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