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The Producer's School
March 14, 2013
6:49 pm
sketchez
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we should all collab on one track and see what happens

March 14, 2013
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most likely, it would come off like a short version of that 50 states track.  posse cuts are difficult to get right, almost nobody does it well. 

just out of curiosity, who exactly do you mean by, 'all'?

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 14, 2013
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all as in the ones on this forum which would be like 3 or 4 of us

March 14, 2013
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Violentdope said:

I am starting out with the recording aspect of it all.I started an audio technology course at my  community college.I have been playing guitar for 15 years but never really learned theory or to read music.I was always bored by that but play more with feeling I guess.I have Pro tools SE and have been fucking around with it,recording acoustic stuff I make up.They have a pro tools course I want to take but its always fills up quick.I want to have a career in the music business someday but I have to start somewhere I guess.

so, are we worthy of any of these fuckaround recordings?

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March 14, 2013
9:25 pm
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fuck yes

March 14, 2013
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Lucem Ferre said:

Violentdope said:

I am starting out with the recording aspect of it all.I started an audio technology course at my  community college.I have been playing guitar for 15 years but never really learned theory or to read music.I was always bored by that but play more with feeling I guess.I have Pro tools SE and have been fucking around with it,recording acoustic stuff I make up.They have a pro tools course I want to take but its always fills up quick.I want to have a career in the music business someday but I have to start somewhere I guess.

Funny thing is I bet most of the people that sign up for that class won't have a future in the music business. I just see a lot of people try to learn the stuff but not seeming actually interested in it and half assing a lot of stuff.

 

That instrumental needs some changes and I've been too busy to make them.

I dont really care if I ever work in the "music business" just  gettin a certificate.Hopefully get a job doin anything really.I know some people who have done it and work at local studios here where I  live.I'm just doin something with myself,Never liked school much,im older now so need to do something.

March 14, 2013
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scruffy said:

Violentdope said:

I am starting out with the recording aspect of it all.I started an audio technology course at my  community college.I have been playing guitar for 15 years but never really learned theory or to read music.I was always bored by that but play more with feeling I guess.I have Pro tools SE and have been fucking around with it,recording acoustic stuff I make up.They have a pro tools course I want to take but its always fills up quick.I want to have a career in the music business someday but I have to start somewhere I guess.

so, are we worthy of any of these fuckaround recordings?

ya I can do guitar type shit but just learning how to use pro tools SE.not very good with it yet.

March 14, 2013
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Violentdope said:

ya I can do guitar type shit but just learning how to use pro tools SE.not very good with it yet.

fair nuff. 

if you get somethin you like down, feel free to share. 

i cant play guitar worth a shit, but guitarists always think i can, when they see my hands.  if i need live guitar, i got a homie who lays it down for us. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 14, 2013
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Violentdope said:

Lucem Ferre said:

Violentdope said:

I am starting out with the recording aspect of it all.I started an audio technology course at my  community college.I have been playing guitar for 15 years but never really learned theory or to read music.I was always bored by that but play more with feeling I guess.I have Pro tools SE and have been fucking around with it,recording acoustic stuff I make up.They have a pro tools course I want to take but its always fills up quick.I want to have a career in the music business someday but I have to start somewhere I guess.

Funny thing is I bet most of the people that sign up for that class won't have a future in the music business. I just see a lot of people try to learn the stuff but not seeming actually interested in it and half assing a lot of stuff.

 

That instrumental needs some changes and I've been too busy to make them.

I dont really care if I ever work in the "music business" just  gettin a certificate.Hopefully get a job doin anything really.I know some people who have done it and work at local studios here where I  live.I'm just doin something with myself,Never liked school much,im older now so need to do something.

Wasn't really aimed at you, I was just pointing out since you said that those classes are usually filled pretty damn early that most of those people don't take the shit seriously. You only get as much as you put in.

March 15, 2013
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The truth is that I work in a local studio part time and we got 5 studios in the building and barely make money. nobody pays for studio time anymore and I was gonna get a degree in music till I found all that out. they tell me everyone tries to record at home now. That's why it's $30hr at a high quality studio when it was $800hr. years ago. and the ones who actually come in and pay for 2hrs. usually are country bands or possibly a rock group, when I would rather record rap. I know how to run everything in the studio and was just gonna get the degree..  but it totally sucks that it's not even worth doing now. luckily it's only my part time job.

March 17, 2013
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today, you can probably duplicate my entire setup for well under a grand. 

home recording has taken off.  youll never convince the masses that they need to go to a studio, when they can get roughly the same tools and do it on their own time, which most ninjas do.

given that, its just a matter of knowing what youre doing, which most ninjas dont. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 22, 2013
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 I would love to go record in a 'professional' studio but I don't have the time or money for it, which is why I'm trying to make it happen at home. All I currently have is a small 5' x 7' booth, a shure SM27 microphone for vocals, FLstudio10, ProToolsSE, and an mbox. What other tools/equipment would you all think is necessary to complete my studio and have great sounding vocals. I've done quite a bit of research but I would like to get opinions as well...I will ask more questions about mixing and mastering when I actually have everything set up and begin the recording process. I can put some instrumentals on here that I've made if anyone is interested in hearing them.

March 22, 2013
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I am.

March 22, 2013
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i am, also. 

far as what else youd need...  probably not much, assuming you can get quality vocal takes. 

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March 23, 2013
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got one track up there so far lemme know whats up....

March 23, 2013
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is it 'load them clips fully' the loaded edition, or 'load them clips' the fully loaded edition? 

incidentally, im probably the only ninja you know who was firearms that actually use clips.  clips are widely considered archaic, and have been almost completely replaced by box magazines. 

...okay, now that im done being an asshole semanticist [my wry sense of humor, you know]...

technically, its good.  one thing id think about is some kinda insert or send/return effect on the snares [not the claps].  its clear to my ears that its one sample being played across the scale, it stands out a bit.  like it doesnt quite belong. 

at this point, the mix seems to be working.  after vocals are laid over it, it may need some tweaking.  i for sure wouldnt use much compression after the mixdown, the synths would probably start to flutter noticeably.

artisticly, i personally think that 808 style claps, and that tikkity-tikkity-tik-tik thing that ninjas like to do with snares, are both a bit overused.  its not a style that i try often, but some consider it fundamental. 

i like the bridge and changeup toward the end. 

all in all, the only real negative is that it does sound a little 'fruity loopy'.  thats forgiveable, depending on how the verses and/or choruses turn out.  actually, most of this criticism depends on how the vocals turn out. 

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March 23, 2013
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I totally understand the fruity loopy sounding part cuz I made it on FL lol....Also load them magazines would not have sounded as cool to me, I dunno why? And it's "load them clips" fully loaded edition because originally it didn't have a 3rd verse with the chorus after and the outro so that obviously makes it fully loaded lol....I made the beat more so making fun of "trap" beats with overused snare and hat rolls. I still would wanna put vocals to it tho...thanx for the advise, what would u use for an effect on the snare? I don't know much about effects at all or what any of them even do. School me a bit?!

March 23, 2013
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ChronicBudsmoka said:

thanx for the advise,

most welcome.

what would u use for an effect on the snare?

in the end, whatever rubs your ear the right way.  off the top of my head, id probably try some kinda dynamic eq effect, with keyboard tracking.  but thats just one of a zillion possibilities. 

I don't know much about effects at all or what any of them even do. School me a bit?!

give me a few minutes here, im gonna try to put together a superbasic effects primer.  

 

[edit]

I made the beat more so making fun of "trap" beats with overused snare and hat rolls.

i wondered if there might have been some deliberate irony built into it. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 23, 2013
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the best way to learn about effects is just to try them out and hear what they do.  that alone will get you started.

 

okay, these are the first few effects that you should probably become familiar with…

[each of these could have a primer of its own.] 

[oh, and... an LFO is a low-frequency oscillator- think of it as something going back and forth at a rate you can perceive]

 

eq / equalization:

eq is a way to change the volume on a specific range [band] of sound.  common is three-band; bass, mid, treble.  if you have more bands, the ranges are usually narrower, and the effect of each change is subtler. 

real important.  id say that when im mixing, at least half the elements that go into it have some kind of eq adjustment.  maybe all. 

 

echo / delay / tape echo / doubler:

essentially, just echoes, the same sound repeating after a delay.  echo is pretty easy to figure out, for the most part. 

flange effects use a short delay where the time varies, mostly using an lfo.

 

reverb:

reflections that are dampened and blurred, like a long hallway.  again, fairly intuitive, but gets pretty technical when you wanna really know how to manipulate it. 

 

chorus:

digitally, detuning the sound up and down [again, usually according to an lfo], imitating two or more seperate but similar voices ['voices' in the sense of vocals, instruments, samples, etc;  not just human voices]. 

 

tremolo:

moving the volume up and down via lfo.

 

vibrato:

moving the pitch up and down via lfo.

 

the first and most important thing to get a handle on with effects is, how much of the original sound do you want to come through [dry], versus how much of the effect you want [wet]. 

after that, each effect will have their own parameters, that will vary in impact and importance.

 

thats really, really basic, but itll do for a start. 

 

lemme know if you have any thoughts. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 24, 2013
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