all of this talk is about how much money ICP generates. it feels like a scam nowadays. back in the early 2000s when the label was really coming 2gether, i was proud that psychopathic was generating money and doing good cuz the music was quality and i would defend it against anything other people listened to.

But after Esham left the label, J has gone seriously downhill. its been sad, its like he cant even bust a decent flow. he stole the show on ABKs "Sticky Situation" with the rhyme scheme and visuals he put into his raps. now its like hes barely able to bust a decent rhyme and their selection in music (beats) they write to are nothin close to wat juggalos crave.

it used to be a nice mix of upbeat fun carnival shit with a mix of dark horror- comic book style hip hop. now its all just songs about juggalos bein family and lame attempts at reachin their old school story telling style. its hard 2 defend it, twiztid was holdin the label up. im not that interested in new ICP material. they just lost the fire they had, they just put out 4 copies of each album to keep the money flowing. as long as the music keeps goin the way it is, they will lose fans, the fans will find somethin new and exciting .

they can have the dopest gear in the world, but if the music isnt there, no one wants 2 support the band anymore.

the only thing juggalos can say is how much money ICP makes, it used to be about the quality of music was superior to anything in the world, thats why juggalos became strong, but with the loss of twiztid and decline in ICPs music, i just dont see the scene lasting forever

Real fans dont care how much money they generate, we just want good music. i used to rep tha hatchet daily back in 2001 before the family era.

Real talk, I like ICP way better then twiztid with the exception of Mostasteless. Always have. And its not about how much money they make. Theres a reason they do. They're way more original and entertaining. Most juggalos don't see it that way anymore, but most of juggalos are also idiots (yea, i said it!)

Quick Google search of said Hatchet Herald is here:

HH: When Rudy suddenly up and disappeared, how did you feel?

Corp: I felt terrible for the company because Alex Abbiss, the former CEO of Psychopathic, had just abruptly left and I knew the company was on shaky ground. My friends Joe, Joey, and Billy were really nervous about things. The entire future of the company was uncertain. Rudy fuckin’ picked the worst time to leave. In fact, I’ll flat out say it. His timing sucked and it was selfish! I wasn’t even in fully then and I could see that.

http://www.psychopathicrecords…..index.html (link isn't working here for some reason, google 'hatchet herald july 20 2012')

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24268959

02:32:20 is when the conversation starts and J confirms the company was on shaky ground. Not so hard to believe considering half their roster left during that period along with Alex (and millions of dollars he bolted with), Rudy, and Jumpsteady. Going into 2013 it's like deja vu with half the artists and employees leaving only this time the biggest artists outside of ICP left too. Well at least their manager didn't screw them over like last time so that's a good thing. Gonna be an interesting year.

 I know it's fun to pretend Psychopathic is an eternal life force that will never die because dudes in clown paint say so. I used to think so too when I was teenager. But now I'm older and realize that's just silly.

This is all getting convoluted and nobody's saying shit anymore lol. So here's my thoughts on the situation. I wish the best for both ICP and Twiztid. I hope J loses the weight so he can flow and put on better stage shows again. I'll support ICP forever if they'd just stop fucking around. Watching them and listening to them now is a sad state of affairs. But I've been down before there was a Twiztid so I'll always give them a look but with a more try before I buy type of attitude.

As far as Psychopathic the record label, I guess I don't really care anymore. Like I said I'll always support ICP if they bring quality shit but I don't have any interest left of who they sign and what projects they work on. J's out of touch with what people want or he just doesn't care and a lot of trust has been lost. The label used to flow so nicely and now it's just a giant mess and a revolving door.

I don't have to worry about Twiztid bringing the bomb because they always do and whatever they decide to do they're still gonna remain Twiztid. I just hope they get a good deal for themselves so they can keep going.

Diamond rain for all! lolz