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4:15 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
He got more chances than any other rapper to be successful but could not do it. He will always be the godfather of the wickit shit but that doesn't mean he makes good music now…
lol i cant even think of one chance hes got..
4:37 pm
hmmm, well he created his own record label which was successful and could have easily gone further than detroit but he never tried till reel life was dead. once icp got signed e wanted to get signed. then during the “sign everyone from detroit” years, esham signed with tvt i believe and they gave him a label, gothom overcore. that went nowhere. he even had dayton fam signed and they flopped yet everyone is bitching at icp for letting dayton fam go silent when esham did the same shit 11-12 years ago. then he has nowhere to turn so he jumps back on j's dick(and vice versa) and signs with the hatchet. he allows violent j to dictate his gimmick and later bitches about it when he leaves the label. he turns his back on mastamind rolls with psy for 4 years claiming he is down and shit, then leaves because violent j is a control freak and didnt promote him enough?? no he left because he earned enough $ from psy to restart his label and say fuck psychopathic. couple years later he is broke again from bad, horrible business decisions and where does he end up?? back with j yet j did him so wrong. then he starts dissing the fuck outta the clowns again and says its not a diss toward them, like a bitch trying to hide it. he used icp for $ and a fanbase. im sure j is just as much to blame for there fallout but dont sit there and say esham was never given a chance.
4:42 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
hmmm, well he created his own record label which was successful and could have easily gone further than detroit but he never tried till reel life was dead. once icp got signed e wanted to get signed. then during the “sign everyone from detroit” years, esham signed with tvt i believe and they gave him a label, gothom overcore. that went nowhere. he even had dayton fam signed and they flopped yet everyone is bitching at icp for letting dayton fam go silent when esham did the same shit 11-12 years ago. then he has nowhere to turn so he jumps back on j's dick(and vice versa) and signs with the hatchet. he allows violent j to dictate his gimmick and later bitches about it when he leaves the label. he turns his back on mastamind rolls with psy for 4 years claiming he is down and shit, then leaves because violent j is a control freak and didnt promote him enough?? no he left because he earned enough $ from psy to restart his label and say fuck psychopathic. couple years later he is broke again from bad, horrible business decisions and where does he end up?? back with j yet j did him so wrong. then he starts dissing the fuck outta the clowns again and says its not a diss toward them, like a bitch trying to hide it. he used icp for $ and a fanbase. im sure j is just as much to blame for there fallout but dont sit there and say esham was never given a chance.
jumps back? when was he on it the 1st time? lol @ a psychopathic being a chance.. to gain some fans yeah but no ones gonna take an artist seriously on psy.. if anything it hurt him.. so it makes sense to diss em to try & distance himself from that shit haha & when he was with tvt he was still independant & could never afford major promotion like no limit & rocafella could.. so that wasnt really much of a chance it was more or less just distribution..
4:51 pm
he just makes terrible business decisions. he should have never signed with psy but no one else was gonna give him a shot after the short lived gothom overcore. plus by that time icp and eminem were old news and noone gave a fuck who esham was anymore. psychopathic wasnt the problem (unless he was aiming for radio/tv success), the problem was him signing with all those bullshit stipulations, no unholy, no natas, the boogieman, etc. he should have brought his own people to run his shit. he couldnt turn down j's offer. he was fading away back then and needed the $. look everyone always ends up hating the label creator/controller. esham, lavel, myzery, etc for psychopathic and violent j. skatterman&snug, cognito, etc for strange and tech. t-rock, koopsta, mack&scan, etc for hypnotize minds and djpaul&juicy j. but remember they all signed those contracts and knew what to expect. dont hate the player hate the game
4:54 pm
oh and esham was riding j's dick around 2000 during the bizaarbizzar tour, then dissed him in 2001 on tongues, then back on his dick in 2002 when he signed. and it gos both ways except j never got offa e's dick till like 2009. i think j realized esham is fucking bipolar or something, no matter how bad esham disses them they always forgave him but not after i aintcha homey.
4:54 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
he just makes terrible business decisions. he should have never signed with psy but no one else was gonna give him a shot after the short lived gothom overcore. plus by that time icp and eminem were old news and noone gave a fuck who esham was anymore. psychopathic wasnt the problem (unless he was aiming for radio/tv success), the problem was him signing with all those bullshit stipulations, no unholy, no natas, the boogieman, etc. he should have brought his own people to run his shit. he couldnt turn down j's offer. he was fading away back then and needed the $. look everyone always ends up hating the label creator/controller. esham, lavel, myzery, etc for psychopathic and violent j. skatterman&snug, cognito, etc for strange and tech. t-rock, koopsta, mack&scan, etc for hypnotize minds and djpaul&juicy j. but remember they all signed those contracts and knew what to expect. dont hate the player hate the game
i agree with the stipulations thing.. myzery never had beef with psy or icp tho.. only twiztid & blaze.. you might be thinkin about marz
4:56 pm
no beef but did say him and j clashed. he had a problem with j controlling him
4:56 pm
June 20, 2012
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Venus Flytrap is amazing,Start to finish it was solid.And i will go out and buy it after i get paid from the job ima be starting in the next week,I just got a bunch of shit piled up for christmas but this is definitly on my to get list.
4:57 pm
March 31, 2012
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& business decisions doesnt really have anything to do with chances given.. look at twiztid theyve made mostly good decisions but have never been given a chance to advance their position in the rap game..
4:58 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
no beef but did say him and j clashed. he had a problem with j controlling him
yeah well everyone on the label (past & present) says that haha except the people who dont have a problem with it obviously haha
4:58 pm
twiztid were offered better deals from roadrunner records during 1999. they declined to stay with psychopathic
5:00 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
twiztid were offered better deals from roadrunner records during 1999. they declined to stay with psychopathic
i never heard of that.. they prolly declined cuz it wasnt a better deal tho haha why would they stay with a shittier deal? cuz the juggalos?? loooooool
5:01 pm
honestly i still got love for esham. if i ever seen him in person again id be swinging from his balls faster than anyone. i just dont get into his music anymore. i still love his oldies and someday i will have his entire discography on cd including this new one…
5:02 pm
March 31, 2012
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Squarepakk666 said:
Venus Flytrap is amazing,Start to finish it was solid.And i will go out and buy it after i get paid from the job ima be starting in the next week,I just got a bunch of shit piled up for christmas but this is definitly on my to get list.
5:03 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
honestly i still got love for esham. if i ever seen him in person again id be swinging from his balls faster than anyone. i just dont get into his music anymore. i still love his oldies and someday i will have his entire discography on cd including this new one…
haha you just gotta listen to it with an open mind man haha i know everyone has their own tastes in music but dmt sessions is one of his best albums right up there with dead flowerz to me..
5:04 pm
yeah at the time icp was selling platinum and they had a huge underground buzz going. twiztid thought psychopathic was gonna blow the fuck up. everyone did. then 2000 came and icp put out 2 records on the same day as twiztids and no one sold shit. and the mainstream turned away. and yes violent j said in an interview that they were offered million dollar contracts from roadrunner and another rock label and turned them down to stay with psy. i think it was one of the alternative press interviews.
5:06 pm
i have heard a lotta good reviews for dmt sessions. maybe i will pick it up this weekend and give it a shot. u have convinced me
5:07 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
yeah at the time icp was selling platinum and they had a huge underground buzz going. twiztid thought psychopathic was gonna blow the fuck up. everyone did. then 2000 came and icp put out 2 records on the same day as twiztids and no one sold shit. and the mainstream turned away. and yes violent j said in an interview that they were offered million dollar contracts from roadrunner and another rock label and turned them down to stay with psy. i think it was one of the alternative press interviews.
hmmm crazy.. j used to talk allot shit back then tho haha its a possibility tho..
5:08 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
i have heard a lotta good reviews for dmt sessions. maybe i will pick it up this weekend and give it a shot. u have convinced me
haha fresh let me know what you think of it..
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