scruffy said

nobody did that, you know.  read it again.  

People do it every day. I proved Warlock was full of shit once when he spoke on a genre he’s hardly listened to and I also almost made a friend of mine cry by shutting down a bunch of false bullshit and sheepish rhetoric on Kanye West.

when youre done… 

baseless assumptions, eh?  you got plenty.    

Oh, so you assume I’m only talking about you because you made this

betcha if youd kicked some simp-ass nursery rhymes in a pair of booty shorts, these kids would be talkin up how bomb you are.  

bet.

baseless assumption on what popular female rappers are like. If it’s not baseless, then provide your base for said assumption. Or, perhaps it’s just the uneducated perception the follows right in the lines of how juggalos are ‘supposed’ to think.

scruffy said
show me where its written that im accountable to you, and ill account for myself.  

til then, xin loi, charlie.  look to your thine house.    

So basically you know I’m right and after spending the time defending yourself your copping out now because you know I’m right.

 I celebrate myself every time I call somebody on their fuck shit and get them toproving how full of shit they are. But I’m always left with the empty feeling of knowing they probably will never change or open their mind but instead hate me for challenging their indoctrinated views. Oh well. I’M still awesome.

scruffy said
good lord, how often i get forum members working sooo hard to second-guess my mind.  

pretty weak.  but everybody needs a hobby.    

Not my fault I was right, Scruffy. I’ts just a gift I have. You’ll get over it.

TheFvckinKreeper said
@lucem-ferre I don’t disagree with you about pop aspects of catchy music. Hell, I think you’re on point about the cognitive dissonance of Juggalos and Goths (both independent movements proliferated by late night MTV in their respective decades). We might have certain disagreements over the dichotomy of what constitutes pop as a genre and sound, something I interperate from the root word popular, which horrorcore as a genre never was. Did you see the recent article stressing how terminally uncool it is? 

Horrorcore has absolutely influenced the whole of pop (as in, radio friendly, high budget video, big label backed) music, especially in the past decade. Doesn’t mean I have to like it, because there is a distinct ‘otherness’ to it. An inautheticness that reeks of producer influence, a trend setting so and so mining our underground for the elusive new trend, and it tends to show in the final product. This isn’t always the case, and as you so deftly pointed out with ICP as an example, the door swings both ways. But to say the cringey kid in derivative facepaint screaming his head off in the woods is the same as a major studio backed project with multiple big name features and gorgeous audio visual production is patently false. There’s a certain satisfaction to supporting ductape and bubblegum rappers, especially if you really dig them, because in a lot of ways they’re your equal, so you want to see them succeed. And when they do blow up there’s gratification there that you just don’t get with a mass marketed product that’s too big to fail with or without you. 

‘Anti-pop’ sentiment is the conceit of any counterculture. The rock’n’roll of yesteryear was revolutionary music of its time that became today’s adult contemporary. There’s no accounting for it, but without that fundamental contradiction the system wouldn’t work. The hippies of bygone days became the politicians pushing weed advocacy, becoming part of the system they rebelled against. It’s just the way of things. 

As for me, I have plenty of hipsterish inclinations, just not so much with rap. They still follow the paradigm of spooky music (which existed before ICP btw, because self-imposed or not, I *like* the paradigm), but it’s much more folksy and mellow than murder rap. Also

>Warlock almost made someone cry

There. You win. You’ve completely shattered my perception of what is possible in this universe.  

I’m not defining it as the genre ‘pop’ it’s definitely not. There are clear distinctions that make it not pop music. But it is poppy for using big tropes in pop music that are considered to be the faults with pop music when people speak against it. You can look up pop as a genre, it’s an actual genre that isn’t defined as just being popular. Even if it was, hating things for being popular is dumber.

That’s where we differ. You’ve created this illusion that anybody with a higher amount of success is less human than you. You feel like you could relate to the scrub over the super successful artist and that they are too big to fail. There have been plenty of mainstream artists that had all the backing in the world but flopped out because nobody supported them. And there are plenty of underground artists that live more lavishly than some mainstream artists. Take Lupe Fiasco. Lupe Fiasco is a fantastic artist, when he hits he hits dead on with great music. He had a huge backing when he first came out, he released two critically acclaimed albums that are considered classics to so many people back to back. He had the hit songs. He had Superstar, he had Hip Hop Saved My Life, he had Kick Push. The Cool only just went gold a few years ago. This album was nominated for hip hop album of the year and just went gold. Great album too, such a shame. For me, I just support dope music. I don’t care if it’s mainstream or underground. If it’s really dope I’m on that. I really enjoy art for arts sake. I don’t enjoy shit out of the sheer novelty of them being underground or things like that.

And no, I’ve heard some down right fowl hipster shit. When hipsters support something dark it’s really fucking dark. It might not be in your face blunt shock value being shoved down your throat but they get into some really fucked up territory.

And yeah, I prefer spookier music too. I just don’t let cultural rules block me off from appreciating things. Like, as somebody who really enjoys dark industrial music I really enjoyed Yeezus but most fans of darker industrial music would never give that album a chance or a fair listen because it’s Kanye. And vice versa. And that album was pure genius. Ehh, their loss I guess.