wonka69 said
dude that died was an "elite juggalo" !

Big deal, so were the cops and EMTs who took him away if they were at the gathering.

piggofdoom said
So, are you saying that Someone can't overdose and live? Because there are people that SHOULD be dead, or have been brought back by medical science. Would they not have been considered "overdosed"? (Does that grammar make sense?)

No, I'm saying that the term "overdose" has nothing to do with what happened to the people who were having bad experiences with 25i. 

The recommended dose for a substance is based on factors like LD50, known potential damage, and lowest effective dosage. These sort of things simply do not exist for most psychedelics. A few examples where it could apply are LSD, which before being banned, was very heavily researched, as well as Psilocybin, MDMA, MDA, DMT and some others. These substances do have recommended doses but for example, LSD does have recommended doses to achieve particular effects, there is *no potential for overdose* on LSD. Not only because there's no known level at which LSD becomes toxic or harmful (or "poisonous"), but because taking more only strengthens the effects (until you reach full saturation). Taking a tenstrip of acid that would've made you trip on two isn't "overdosing", it's taking more. MDMA on the other hand could potentially lead to stroke, seizure, palpitations, and other methy issues of that sort, but those lines are all theoretical and based on scattered science drawn from things like meta-studies (overviews of pre-existing data to find a trend; i/e meaningless). If you take so much E that you die, people will use the colloquially understood term "overdosed", but the fact is, medical science recommends that you do not take MDMA, not how much you should take. You also still won't be dying from taking MDMA. You'd be dying because of whatever it catalyzed, such as the stroke or whatever, meaning that it could have occured to you under other conditions that were equally stressful. So, if "overdosing" is predicated on exceeding the recommended dosage, then it can not apply to drugs with no recommended dosage. Further though, even in a medical setting if you were getting MDMA treatment, say their standard dose was a tenth (100mg) but they found out the person receiving it was a hardcore e-tard and ended up having him rip through a gram. They wouldn't say they "overdosed" him they just gave him more of the drug. The exact same thing applies to 25i, but even more so because it hasn't had the same research as other drugs. If every amount you take is an "overdose", then there is no overdose, ya dig?

See, I'm not talking about whether overdosing has to do with living or dying (it doesn't). I'm saying that the term is not applicable in these circumstances because they are words with specific meanings that refer to entirely separate fields. It's like saying your ipod gets 2,000 songs to the gallon; the measurement is unrelated to what's being measured. 

Here's a monkey wrench for you; even if the heroin addict didn't die, or was revived, it would still be an overdose. Overdosing doesn't equal death, just exceeding the recommended dose (which is often accompanied by exacerbated negative side effects, which can lead to death with some drugs).

Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't quote people right;

Piggofdoom, I know, it's a battle I'm constantly fighting :( I REFUSE TO ACCEPT "SPELT" AS CORRECT >:o

Masterweedo, that's a blatant lie. I don't care what happens to "some guy you know". But more importantly, you're still skirting my actual issue. Whether they had seizures or not, they still didn't overdose, because the recommended dose of 25i is ZERO. Again, if every dose is overdose, then there is no overdose. I didn't say that "overdose = death". In my OP, "if you didn't die on psychedelics you didn't od" may have given that impression, but it was a catch phrase to center where I was at in the post. Even if you DID die on psychedelics, you didn't overdose. You can't overdose on a drug that has no established safe and unsafe dose. 

piggofdoom said

Stalkz said
Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't quote people right;

 

Piggofdoom, I know, it's a battle I'm constantly fighting :( I REFUSE TO ACCEPT "SPELT" AS CORRECT >:o

 

Masterweedo, that's a blatant lie. I don't care what happens to "some guy you know". But more importantly, you're still skirting my actual issue. Whether they had seizures or not, they still didn't overdose, because the recommended dose of 25i is ZERO. Again, if every dose is overdose, then there is no overdose. I didn't say that "overdose = death". In my OP, "if you didn't die on psychedelics you didn't od" may have given that impression, but it was a catch phrase to center where I was at in the post. Even if you DID die on psychedelics, you didn't overdose. You can't overdose on a drug that has no established safe and unsafe dose. 

And unfortunately, it is a battle you are going to lose :/ there are still things I am a stickler on (your, you're; the "There"s) but if you do a little bit of a reading in linguistics you'll see how it is inevitable that language will change in the way people use it, not according to the rules. That's why language is different from Shakespeare's time, and why he could make up a shitload of words and they are still used.

I've been thinking about it, and have come to the conclusion that I can't argue with this. If it weren't for usage vs. meaning I wouldn't use almost any of the awesome words I use now (like nigga, bitch, ho, faggot, weed, madd..) and then my life would be bland as fuck. 

So in consideration of this, I change my original message: 
Y'all niggas should just chill out and not get so hyphy about teenagers taking too much of a stupid drug. People like fucking with their brains, and we all have a natural tendency to thin out the herd. People die. It's not gonna stop the gathering. It doesn't stop anything. Be happy you weren't in that position and move on. 

If it was me I'd be more worried about Lake Hepatitis than Drug Bridge.