Faygoluvers - Topic: It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/ Simple:Press Version 5.7.5.3 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58394 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58394

piggofdoom said

Stalkz said
Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't quote people right;

 

Piggofdoom, I know, it's a battle I'm constantly fighting :( I REFUSE TO ACCEPT "SPELT" AS CORRECT >:o

 

Masterweedo, that's a blatant lie. I don't care what happens to "some guy you know". But more importantly, you're still skirting my actual issue. Whether they had seizures or not, they still didn't overdose, because the recommended dose of 25i is ZERO. Again, if every dose is overdose, then there is no overdose. I didn't say that "overdose = death". In my OP, "if you didn't die on psychedelics you didn't od" may have given that impression, but it was a catch phrase to center where I was at in the post. Even if you DID die on psychedelics, you didn't overdose. You can't overdose on a drug that has no established safe and unsafe dose. 

And unfortunately, it is a battle you are going to lose :/ there are still things I am a stickler on (your, you're; the "There"s) but if you do a little bit of a reading in linguistics you'll see how it is inevitable that language will change in the way people use it, not according to the rules. That's why language is different from Shakespeare's time, and why he could make up a shitload of words and they are still used.

I've been thinking about it, and have come to the conclusion that I can't argue with this. If it weren't for usage vs. meaning I wouldn't use almost any of the awesome words I use now (like nigga, bitch, ho, faggot, weed, madd..) and then my life would be bland as fuck. 

So in consideration of this, I change my original message: 
Y'all niggas should just chill out and not get so hyphy about teenagers taking too much of a stupid drug. People like fucking with their brains, and we all have a natural tendency to thin out the herd. People die. It's not gonna stop the gathering. It doesn't stop anything. Be happy you weren't in that position and move on. 

If it was me I'd be more worried about Lake Hepatitis than Drug Bridge.

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:36:11 -0500 Pigg on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58274 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58274

Stalkz said
Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't quote people right;

 

Piggofdoom, I know, it's a battle I'm constantly fighting :( I REFUSE TO ACCEPT "SPELT" AS CORRECT >:o

 

Masterweedo, that's a blatant lie. I don't care what happens to "some guy you know". But more importantly, you're still skirting my actual issue. Whether they had seizures or not, they still didn't overdose, because the recommended dose of 25i is ZERO. Again, if every dose is overdose, then there is no overdose. I didn't say that "overdose = death". In my OP, "if you didn't die on psychedelics you didn't od" may have given that impression, but it was a catch phrase to center where I was at in the post. Even if you DID die on psychedelics, you didn't overdose. You can't overdose on a drug that has no established safe and unsafe dose. 

And unfortunately, it is a battle you are going to lose :/ there are still things I am a stickler on (your, you're; the "There"s) but if you do a little bit of a reading in linguistics you'll see how it is inevitable that language will change in the way people use it, not according to the rules. That's why language is different from Shakespeare's time, and why he could make up a shitload of words and they are still used.

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:02:40 -0500 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58269 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58269 Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't quote people right;

 

Piggofdoom, I know, it's a battle I'm constantly fighting :( I REFUSE TO ACCEPT "SPELT" AS CORRECT >:o

 

Masterweedo, that's a blatant lie. I don't care what happens to "some guy you know". But more importantly, you're still skirting my actual issue. Whether they had seizures or not, they still didn't overdose, because the recommended dose of 25i is ZERO. Again, if every dose is overdose, then there is no overdose. I didn't say that "overdose = death". In my OP, "if you didn't die on psychedelics you didn't od" may have given that impression, but it was a catch phrase to center where I was at in the post. Even if you DID die on psychedelics, you didn't overdose. You can't overdose on a drug that has no established safe and unsafe dose. 

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:37:44 -0500 Guest on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58260 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58260 I am going need a source/link on that 1/8th ounce of LSD fairy tale buddy.

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:11:49 -0500 MASTERWEEDO on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58259 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58259 THERE IS A FEW CASES OF LSD OVERDOSES, HOWEVER RARE, THEY HAVE HAPPENED. ONE I KNOW OF IS A GUY WHO MISTOOK CRYSTALLIZED LSD FOR METH AND SHOT UP AN 8 BALL. 

 

AND I THINK MOST OF THE N-BOMB "OVERDOSES" LEAD TO SEIZURES AND SHIT, NOT JUST  "TRIPPING TOO HARD". N-BOMB CAN CAUSE DEATH, AS IM SURE ANYONE WHO READ THE INFO ABOUT IT NOTICED. 

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 06:05:00 -0500 Pigg on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58244 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58244 Makes sense to me, but just remember: usage trumps rules. Linguistics shows us that language always changes towards popular usage over "correctness" 

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 02:00:24 -0500 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58240 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58240

piggofdoom said
So, are you saying that Someone can't overdose and live? Because there are people that SHOULD be dead, or have been brought back by medical science. Would they not have been considered "overdosed"? (Does that grammar make sense?)

No, I'm saying that the term "overdose" has nothing to do with what happened to the people who were having bad experiences with 25i. 

The recommended dose for a substance is based on factors like LD50, known potential damage, and lowest effective dosage. These sort of things simply do not exist for most psychedelics. A few examples where it could apply are LSD, which before being banned, was very heavily researched, as well as Psilocybin, MDMA, MDA, DMT and some others. These substances do have recommended doses but for example, LSD does have recommended doses to achieve particular effects, there is *no potential for overdose* on LSD. Not only because there's no known level at which LSD becomes toxic or harmful (or "poisonous"), but because taking more only strengthens the effects (until you reach full saturation). Taking a tenstrip of acid that would've made you trip on two isn't "overdosing", it's taking more. MDMA on the other hand could potentially lead to stroke, seizure, palpitations, and other methy issues of that sort, but those lines are all theoretical and based on scattered science drawn from things like meta-studies (overviews of pre-existing data to find a trend; i/e meaningless). If you take so much E that you die, people will use the colloquially understood term "overdosed", but the fact is, medical science recommends that you do not take MDMA, not how much you should take. You also still won't be dying from taking MDMA. You'd be dying because of whatever it catalyzed, such as the stroke or whatever, meaning that it could have occured to you under other conditions that were equally stressful. So, if "overdosing" is predicated on exceeding the recommended dosage, then it can not apply to drugs with no recommended dosage. Further though, even in a medical setting if you were getting MDMA treatment, say their standard dose was a tenth (100mg) but they found out the person receiving it was a hardcore e-tard and ended up having him rip through a gram. They wouldn't say they "overdosed" him they just gave him more of the drug. The exact same thing applies to 25i, but even more so because it hasn't had the same research as other drugs. If every amount you take is an "overdose", then there is no overdose, ya dig?

See, I'm not talking about whether overdosing has to do with living or dying (it doesn't). I'm saying that the term is not applicable in these circumstances because they are words with specific meanings that refer to entirely separate fields. It's like saying your ipod gets 2,000 songs to the gallon; the measurement is unrelated to what's being measured. 

Here's a monkey wrench for you; even if the heroin addict didn't die, or was revived, it would still be an overdose. Overdosing doesn't equal death, just exceeding the recommended dose (which is often accompanied by exacerbated negative side effects, which can lead to death with some drugs).

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:53:00 -0500 Pigg on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58225 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58225 So, are you saying that Someone can't overdose and live? Because there are people that SHOULD be dead, or have been brought back by medical science. Would they not have been considered "overdosed"? (Does that grammar make sense?)

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:13:06 -0500 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58221 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58221

wonka69 said
dude that died was an "elite juggalo" !

Big deal, so were the cops and EMTs who took him away if they were at the gathering.

]]> Tue, 13 Aug 2013 00:55:54 -0500 wonka69 on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58202 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58202 dude that died was an "elite juggalo" !

]]> Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:50:11 -0500 Slumerican502 on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58157 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58157 Can't argue with that logic

]]> Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:43:59 -0500 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58153 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58153

Slumerican502 said
It really is a fine line. Over dose can have multiple meanings. you can take 5 tylenols when you are only supposed to take two and that is technically over dosing. Taking three perc tens is over dosing. Really we over dose pretty much every time we are tryna get folded.

With Opiates, Benzodiazapines, Amphetamines, NSAIDs, Analgesics and loads of other classifications of drugs, this is true. 

With Psychedelics, however, it is not the case. Overdose refers to taking something in quantities greater than are recommended or generally practiced. There is no recommended or generally practiced quantity of any psychedelic advised medically to the public, so the concept of "overdose" is non sequitur. A dealer saying "I'll only sell you two" is not "generally practiced" or "recommended", because he doesn't have the authority or knowledge to make that decision. 

Psychedelics that have physical negative consequences (like death) don't cause/aren't precipitated by "overdosing", but simply "taking a fatal dose", which did not occur at the gathering. These words have very specific legal and medical meanings/ramifications, and they ought not be taken out of context.

There was only *one* overdose at the gathering, and it was from Diacetylmorphine.

]]> Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:35:34 -0500 Slumerican502 on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58149 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58149 It really is a fine line. Over dose can have multiple meanings. you can take 5 tylenols when you are only supposed to take two and that is technically over dosing. Taking three perc tens is over dosing. Really we over dose pretty much every time we are tryna get folded.

]]> Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:26:45 -0500 Stalkz on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58148 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58148

wonka69 said
smile dead bodies make me happy ! smile

Ay my nigga if nobody died it wudn't a party 

 

Guest said 
Thanks, I was discussing this with my wife just yesterday. The word overdosed is overused. In its proper use it refers to a death. It's like people getting shocked and saying "I was electrocuted".  

I get so frustrated I practically start sweating when people say shit like "overdosed on lsd". Like oh word, really? So you defied science? or did you just have an experience you weren't ready/looking for ;)

]]> Mon, 12 Aug 2013 16:23:07 -0500 Guest on It's important to note the difference between "Over Dose" and "Tripping Too Hard" https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58147 The Gathering of the Juggalos https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/the-13th-annual-gathering-of-the-juggalos-2012/its-important-to-note-the-difference-between-over-dose-and-tripping-too-hard/#p58147 Thanks, I was discussing this with my wife just yesterday. The word overdosed is overused. In its proper use it refers to a death. It's like people getting shocked and saying "I was electrocuted".  

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