I liked both spots for different reasons. And I dislike both spots for other reasons too. I prefer it only a 6hr drive for me as opposed to about a 20hr drive. Ohio is closer. The spot in Ohio was less secluded and society and the town was down the street. It was nice to go back to the hotel a few times to shower up. Cave-In-Rock seemed much bigger, and really in the middle of nowhere. The 3 times I've went there I remember how remote it was. That was nice. But shitty too, wheres the closest hospital?

The spot in Ohio seemed packed and really small. It was nice but it was different. Not much of a hike around those camp grounds but the hill leading up to the seminar tent was a pain. Same with the hill where JCW was at. Not as bad as that hill at Cave-In-Rock though. That hill seemed a lot worse. I liked the Cave-In-Rock spot a lot more.

I have some issues but it is with both places.

They need to ban the caution tape. You finally make it in and campers have sectioned off 10 campsites with the tape so no one but the cliques they formed years ago can camp again together. When did cliques form in the juggalo community that excludes other juggalos. This is the Gathering.... Gather Harder! Make NEW friends.

And parking/getting in. That will probably always be an issue. We arrived early and were like within the first 50 cars there. They opened the parking lot for the night before and the way they loaded people in we ended up towards the back of one of the rows even though it was one of the first few rows. When they opened the gates the next morning, we ended up being way in the back (thousands already ahead of us that only arrived a few hours ago) and almost could not find a campsite. The attendants made people take down the stupid caution tape so they could fit more people in. These people were "holding" the spots for a huge section and argued that they always camp together with the same people. But they had to take it down and they ended up meeting (forced to meet) new gathering friends.

It's not the Gathering of the exclusionary cliques. It's the Gathering of the Juggalos. GATHER HARDER!

Ok ninjas. Had some coffee. Feeling better now.

Don't take me wrong, All the gatherings have been exceptional. I completely enjoyed them. There were way more positive things than negative and I would never want to miss one. The parking/entry and caution tape are really my only problems. Everything else is all good.

At legend, cops were very nice and even Whooped. They didn't even care about ninjas smoking those left handed cigs.

The blatant, in your face, drug selling was toned way down. If you wanted to partake you had to use your ninja and social skills to acquire.

Nudity still existed, which I have no problem with ;) but the over the top sleaze was way down. I am glad the "Lette's Respect" movement took off so well (props to @wow-a-chick and Jumpsteady for that).

Wrestling stage was a bit of an endurance walk (reminiscent of "Fuck this Hill" from HogRock) but still doable. The official Faygoluver's Meetup Massacre should be somewhere else next time. I think the Spazmatic Hangout, or what they now call Bizzarro World, would be an ideal spot for it.

I hit the showers daily between 5am and 6am so I never had to wait. Walked right in, took my time washing my paint off, got out and there was still no line.

I would like to see the next GOTJ be extended one more day kinda like they did in 2012. We were one of the lucky ones that made it in a day early that year due to @krunkazphuk 's extreme driving so it was like 2 extra days for us. It seemed to last forever.

For ninja's debating no whether to go or not, ignore all the negative things you have read or heard (even from me). Just go. You will enjoy it!

Start putting that dollar in the piggy bank every day and you will have enough to go. And don't break into that piggy bank for any reason except for the Gathering. And remember that tickets go on sale right about the time IRS refund checks arrive. That's a good time to buy the tickets so you lock yourself in to going.

"Gather Harder!"
"2 Scoops of Whoop!"
and don't forget the "Lathering of the Buffalos!"

Psyral Infection said  
I have some issues but it is with both places.  
They need to ban the caution tape.    

yeah, that shit is dumb.  

i figure, if it comes down to it, and theres nowhere to set up except the crime scenes, im just gonna set up in one, and thank them for holding my spot.  course, that would be clearly asking for some headbutting.  and like i said, might makes right.  

And parking/getting in. That will probably always be an issue.   

i dont know what the fuck to do about this.  they could have twelve foot tall transformers-lookin robots directing traffic, itd still be a clusterfuck.  

Nudity still existed, which I have no problem with ;) but the over the top sleaze was way down. I am glad the "Lette's Respect" movement took off so well (props to @wow-a-chick and Jumpsteady for that).  

heres hoping the over the top sleaze will continue to trend downward.  

Wrestling stage was a bit of an endurance walk (reminiscent of "Fuck this Hill" from HogRock) but still doable. The official Faygoluver's Meetup Massacre should be somewhere else next time. I think the Spazmatic Hangout, or what they now call Bizzarro World, would be an ideal spot for it.  

anywhere else.  definitely not down that hill.  i dont think there couldve been a worse location, including the parking lot.  

that became obvious about three minutes after we passed through the gate.  when we, ya know, had to turn around and go back out the gate to get there.  

if we knew for certain that it was gonna be there, my vote would be to meetup next to the big strawberry.  pretty much the same spot as 'bizarro'.  

I would like to see the next GOTJ be extended one more day kinda like they did in 2012. We were one of the lucky ones that made it in a day early that year due to @krunkazphuk 's extreme driving so it was like 2 extra days for us. It seemed to last forever.  

id like to see it extended by eight or nine days.  in fact, lets just keep it goin at all times, and everyone comes in an out when they can.  that sounds like fun.

but yeah, 2012 was a marathon.  

For ninja's debating no whether to go or not, ignore all the negative things you have read or heard (even from me). Just go. You will enjoy it!

there it is.