Faygoluvers - Topic: Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Pigg on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Tue, 23 Dec 2014 21:59:06 -0600

http://www.politifact.com/trut.....gh-summer/

King Lucem Ferre on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Tue, 23 Dec 2014 02:05:14 -0600

My Political Science teacher was very proud of the fact that he payed for every bit of his college out of his pockets. Though, he came up during a different time (I was shocked to find out how old he was, he doesn't look nor act his age) he was still very proud of the fact that he paid for his education with out taking advantage of racially charged scholarships.

I guess he also quit working at the University to work at the community college because the kids in the University were snobby and stuck up.

He was also the only teacher that I actually felt taught me something. We never used the book.

VeryTwiztidRaven on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:17:45 -0600

LuckyNumbrXIII said
Yup. I'm a very bitter guy when it comes to college. lol... I jumped through the hoops, but looking back, what a facking waste. I coulda gone to 100 gatherings with the money I'd save by not going.

Same here. I'm the only person I know who absolutely HATED every last second that I spent in college. I literally can't say a single positive thing about my experience in college. Worst decision of my life was to spend 4 years wasting time and money when I could have been building a career. At least I had a full ride scholarship so I didn't go into nearly as much debt as most people do.

-Jules

OCJ_Brendan on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:56:18 -0600

LuckyNumbrXIII said
Depends what field you're in.

It totally does I agree wholeheartedly. My degree is in business with a major in management...My job is a manager...it works.

Lucem (Just An Asshole) Ferre said
I did half a year. I quit because I couldn't afford it and I couldn't apply for grants with out parental tax information. My parents didn't want to do this one simple thing for me, so I was SOL. I probably don't need their information now, buttfuckit.

Thats how I cleaned up...finally having a broke ass single mom worked out for me it only took 19 years lol. Her combined 40k working three jobs with two kids in school made us eligble for a ton of grants...then I had to fuck it up by getting raises and moving out...stupid me.

King Lucem Ferre on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:42:18 -0600

I did half a year. I quit because I couldn't afford it and I couldn't apply for grants with out parental tax information. My parents didn't want to do this one simple thing for me, so I was SOL. I probably don't need their information now, buttfuckit. Though, I'm much happier working and shit. Don't regret going to school, I liked learning shit. Just don't like this debt, that I'm grateful is only 1500, looming over me.

So for me it is literally 1500 down the toilet.

Though, some how, with this past year, I've managed to always have a spare $100 in my bank account at all times. I don't feel comfortable with out it. Only time I didn't have a spare hundred is recently when I bought my older brother a vidgea game and controller for PS4 for his Bday. Gaming is expensive as hell these days, goddamn. Either way, I consider that an accomplishment.

OCJ_Brendan on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:12:10 -0600

Now most teachers just paraphrase the book in power point or prezi format so books are useless except for writing papers (they almost always make you use the book as one of your sources). The way around this is to rent one book per 4 or 5 people (this is easy as now all business classes require a team component now) and use it together.

I got through community college about breaking even when you consider money i netted from grants that I hustled to double. then lost on bad habits... EDIT (I can take very little credit for the massive grants I received...my Mom and brother totally handled that for me by learning the system and being liberal on applications)

My degree made a difference of 15k starting a year and I spent about that on my bachelors (admitidly not valuing the time value of money for the time I spent or interest on my loans) so I consider it worth it...to each their own.

King Lucem Ferre on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:46:51 -0600

I owe 1500 to them shit heads and it got me no where! College is too expensive, especially when most of the teachers just give you a book to read and that's the class. I actually enjoyed learning things though.

OCJ_Brendan on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:35:24 -0600

Actually for the most part I totally agree with you about college professors especially at a huge state university like I went to. The part where I disagree is with adjuncts like the aforementioned guy for the stated reasons (in addition to a unique outlook on situations I took to him that semester and a handful of times later) and real life professionals in the field that take the job for extra income or benefits.

There is also occasionally the adjunct who really enjoys teaching cough *college girls* cough and in the process I score cool advice and contacts. I got two interviews (that I know of for sure because they mentioned it) because I have a federal judge's letter of recommendation in my resume (sure hes only an admin law judge but it still says Hon. such and such blah blah district court on it).

For the most part however they are a joke and college is a game. Its a game I learned how to play and won...you have no idea how many classes I passed with statistically failing averages....just by kissing ass the right way ( or not usually for some reason they love that) and doing the stuff they subconsciously wanted just by being perceptive.

OCJ_Brendan on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:19:59 -0600

LuckyNumbrXIII said
The government owns the land until you buy it from them. Like I said, though... this isn't about owning things. It's about building equity and worth. And when I die, my daughter will hopefully get more property than debt.

Also, @ocj_brendan trust me... your professor didn't tell you all his tricks for free either.

He didnt tell us any of his tricks actually just the super vague concept as a random intro we selected from a list of like 30 topics each week. The class had nothing to do with any of them it was added value to make you come to class actually. I looked into it myself after the fact. He was one of those wealthy old dudes doing stuff to stay active so he taught senior operations management (a class about supply chain logistics). The class had literally nothing to do with real estate.

scruffy on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:42:32 -0600

Psyral Infection said
But who "owned" the land originally. The guy who first ran a fence around it?

pretty much, yeah.

I just don't get the concept. I believe that social constructs have been created to give the illusion of ownership but I just don't buy into it. I live by the laws in the sense of "when in Rome" but I don't agree with the validity of it all. Even in the realm of money and value, I see it as an artificial construct.

all constructs are, by definition, artificial.

Yes, I use money because the society in which I live has made it mostly a necessity, but I never forget that its "reality" is only what others have agreed it is.

good.

you are now as schooled as you need to be, to work in finance or money markets.

all you need, is a natural inclination toward larceny.

Psyral on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:33:32 -0600

scruffy said

okay, break it down this way:

a particular piece of land is being used by bob. for whatever reasons, it is agreed on by the laws that he has the right to decide how it is used. that, in a nutshell, is 'ownership'.

now, here comes alice. she wants to be the one to have the right to temporarily use the land. but bob has those rights now, so she must compensate him for them. alice offers bob x dollars, if he accepts the price, he gives her the deed.

thus, you really dont 'own' the land, you own a social contract that agrees that the [admittedly temporary] usage of the land is up to you to decide, within reasonable limits. and that contract is worth money, but not a fixed amount of money. if the land is well-sited or well-developed, then the rights to its use are consequently more valuable. and thus, the real estate market.

But who "owned" the land originally. The guy who first ran a fence around it? I just don't get the concept. I believe that social constructs have been created to give the illusion of ownership but I just don't buy into it. I live by the laws in the sense of "when in Rome" but I don't agree with the validity of it all. Even in the realm of money and value, I see it as an artificial construct. Yes, I use money because the society in which I live has made it mostly a necessity, but I never forget that its "reality" is only what others have agreed it is.

"Reality" is the only word in the language that should always be used in quotes - My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult: Nervous Xians

scruffy on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:05:46 -0600

Psyral Infection said
I really don't understand the concept of building my worth. Maybe it's just a mental block on my part. I don't even understand the concept of land ownership either. It makes no sense to me that you can "own" a piece of anything of this universe. You can use it temporarily, but that is all.

I don't have an issue with your ideas. In fact, I think ideas, whether I agree or understand or not, are some of the most important things a person can have. Just letting you know how my mind works (or doesn't work).

okay, break it down this way:

a particular piece of land is being used by bob. for whatever reasons, it is agreed on by the laws that he has the right to decide how it is used. that, in a nutshell, is 'ownership'.

now, here comes alice. she wants to be the one to have the right to temporarily use the land. but bob has those rights now, so she must compensate him for them. alice offers bob x dollars, if he accepts the price, he gives her the deed.

thus, you really dont 'own' the land, you own a social contract that agrees that the [admittedly temporary] usage of the land is up to you to decide, within reasonable limits. and that contract is worth money, but not a fixed amount of money. if the land is well-sited or well-developed, then the rights to its use are consequently more valuable. and thus, the real estate market.

Psyral on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:53:20 -0600

LuckyNumbrXIII said

Psyral Infection said

LuckyNumbrXIII said
...So my dream of owning a home before I'm 30 is dead. But my dream to own one by 35 is becoming a reality. ...

Never had the dream of owning a house. I prefer to rent. When you get tired of a place, it's easy to pack up and move.

When you rent, you 1.) have to follow someone else's rules, 2.) pay someone else's bills plus your own, and 3.) walk away with nothing.

if you own a home and get tired of it, you sell it for hundreds of thousands (remember how i said market is ridiculously low right now) or rent it out to someone and have them pay the mortgage on your new home. it's about building your worth and equity moreso than having things. Last thing i want to do is die and leave my family with nothing.

I really don't understand the concept of building my worth. Maybe it's just a mental block on my part. I don't even understand the concept of land ownership either. It makes no sense to me that you can "own" a piece of anything of this universe. You can use it temporarily, but that is all.

I don't have an issue with your ideas. In fact, I think ideas, whether I agree or understand or not, are some of the most important things a person can have. Just letting you know how my mind works (or doesn't work).

OCJ_Brendan on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:02:41 -0600

You also accept a fuck ton of liability and expenses related to the property. home owners insurance can help alot of this...but its pretty easy to end up face down ass up in real estate. When a massive pipe failure happens I call the landlord and it gets fixed. I pay my rent on time so he wont raise the rent...if he does I wont renew my lease at the higher rate and go on my merry way free of a flawed property...I intend to rent where I live but buy property of a different sort...but Im not giving away my investment strategy away...for free anyway...I wish I was smart enough to come up with it but im not I learned it from a professor at my school who was independently wealthy from a similar strategy...and from developing excel macros that help assess the profitability of flipping certain properties...,

Psyral on Cave-In-Rock Vs. Thornville

Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:13:41 -0600

LuckyNumbrXIII said
...So my dream of owning a home before I'm 30 is dead. But my dream to own one by 35 is becoming a reality. ...

Never had the dream of owning a house. I prefer to rent. When you get tired of a place, it's easy to pack up and move.

But.... Hold true to your dreams. If the Gathering is a hindrance to your dream of home ownership, then you have to hold off on the Gathering till it is absolutely not going to stop your dream. I would love to see you there this year. But I would love it more if you accomplish your goals. Just don't forget to have fun. :)