Do you wear a hatchetman?
You in a gang and yo ass better be ready to do that thang

“Fuck my dad, I wanna slaughter thee!” -from….something from the MML era (any help here would be appreciated)

…there’s a lot of bunk-ass ICP lyrics I can forgive under the irreverent banner of the clown gimmick, like not knowing the correct number of states or questioning how magnets work, but this line is just terrible. It’s stilted, humorless and forced; the rap equivalent of snagging a chord on guitar hero. 

Jadakiss once said “Fuck rydin’ the beat nigga, I parallel park on the track” This is the spiritual opposite of that. Shaggy trips on his own feet and pratfalls face first on the beat.

The other night I was reading an interview with icp from 2010 and the interviewer asked if there was any lyrics they regret writing and j said there was one line in a song he regrets and to this day it still bothers him but wouldn’t elaborate because it bothered him so much. Does anyone know what he’s talking about? I think it might have been a rolling stone interview but I’m not sure, I have stoner brain

@NoahFence Thanks. I went back and listened to it. Not a bad song. Not my cup of tea personally, but whatever. The fact that I could only remember that one bummy lyric should speak to how much it irked me.

To elaborate, the segue into Old English is jarring and also misused, (“Fuck my dad, I want to slaughter you” is how it sounded to my ears). There’s a fine line between being thoughtfully sentimental and being corny, and that lyric crosses it so violently it undercuts everything else he has to say in the verse. With ICP I’m literally not expecting Shakespeare, so when they deviate from using their own made up language in favor of abusing a dead one it sends my mind into tard spasms.

Money Bags Gram said
The other night I was reading an interview with icp from 2010 and the interviewer asked if there was any lyrics they regret writing and j said there was one line in a song he regrets and to this day it still bothers him but wouldn’t elaborate because it bothered him so much. Does anyone know what he’s talking about? I think it might have been a rolling stone interview but I’m not sure, I have stoner brain  

I remembered the interview, and the interviewer even went so far as to search some of their back catalog and he suggested some lyrics from J that I honestly never even heard. Or don’t remember hearing. I think he said it had something in therr about killing a dog and more… J has rapped about dog death at least a couple times, so I don’t know the culprit.

It likely could be “Slow Your Roll”. Furck, I hope it is.

Off Blaaam!:

I drive a platinum car 
It has a tennis court and a bar
You know who I are

TheFvckinKreeper said
“Fuck my dad, I wanna slaughter thee!” -from….something from the MML era (any help here would be appreciated)

…there’s a lot of bunk-ass ICP lyrics I can forgive under the irreverent banner of the clown gimmick, like not knowing the correct number of states or questioning how magnets work, but this line is just terrible. It’s stilted, humorless and forced; the rap equivalent of snagging a chord on guitar hero. 

Jadakiss once said “Fuck rydin’ the beat nigga, I parallel park on the track” This is the spiritual opposite of that. Shaggy trips on his own feet and pratfalls face first on the beat.  

I totally agree, my first instinct in replying to this thread was my disdain for some of the ways they force things to rhyme during the MML era. That “slaughter thee” line hurts my ears. “Flamethrower” is one of the few songs I actually enjoy from Lost, but I absolutely cannot stand this line:

The first is a racist biker gang called The Rebels/They about to have funerals but no need for SHEVELS

Why even use that lyric if you have to change how you pronounce the word “shovel” to make the rhyme fit? J’s smarter than that, why not just rewrite it or throw that one out? To me, I’m much more “accepting” of lyrics such as the fuzzy wuzzy thing and the poop in the hot dog thing than I am with the blatant mispronunciation or rearranging sentences like the “slaughter thee” line. Some of those more absurd lyrics are usually at least intended to be funny, like J & Shaggy know they are ridiculous lines but it works for them sometimes. 

Someone else pointed out how “Confederate Flag” has some good overall anti-racism lyrics but then Shaggy cheapens the whole thing by using the term “fag hole”. I’ll admit, I laughed my ass off at that line and I really don’t think ICP is homophobic at all. I’m 32 so I’m 10+ years younger than ICP, but I still remember growing up the word “fag” or calling someone a “faggot” was basically frowned upon but wasn’t like the worst thing ever like it seems to be now. It was just something you said to your friend or whatever basically like “yeah whatever dumbass” but instead of dumbass (or something like that) it was faggot. Even still, seemed like a bad move to use that line in “Confederate Flag”. I remember a little while after MML came out, South Carolina put a ban on the Confederate flag being displayed at their capitol building or some shit like that and it caused a lot of debate on the Confederate flag in general. So I posted “Confederate Flag” on Facebook even though basically all of my friends except for like 2 people claim to “hate” ICP (which usually consists of never actually listening to them). Of course a few made their comments about “ICP sucks” but a few were actually surprised and had no idea that ICP did anti-racism stuff, but still they were quick to point out the “fag hole” thing. I’m like yeah…I know. 

I will also say that while “Gimme That Blood” is a classic, J’s whole verse in that is terrible. He basically just sounds like a giant fatass that the rest of the group felt sorry for him and allowed him to be on the track. “Blood sucking retard, yeah, RETARD!” is embarrassing. 

Guest said
Noah, short answer: No. Hate is fucking corny. Cornier than that song. Even theoretically bricking dead-beat dads in the face is too judgemental for me to endorse. Vengance is wack, throwing stones is repugnant. Life is hard, get over it. Opinion piece. 

 

As for changing the way a word is pronounced to force a rhyme… I think that is a valid stylistic choice when peppered in. Eminem, considered by many (not me) to be the GOAT, is a master of this technique, RZA does it. It can be used almost like a punchline. Adding a comedic spin on a bar. It’s very tounge-in-cheek type humor. Not for everyone i understand. Different strokes, different folks.  

There are certain ways it can work or maybe you just put the emphasis on a different part of a word than usual, but there’s no time that you should use the word “shevel”. 

Skratchie said
Meh, they can say what they want. Shevelry is dead anyway  

hahah, classic 

Pigg said
Shaggy’s verse on Might Go Mad. 

“Oooooooo it was oodles of fun, his head busted a nut like noodles of cum”  

That was literally my favorite line of that song lol