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Hatchetman
Why be a Juggalo (real thought)
May 11, 2017
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With the Juggalo world basically divided now and others screaming fuck the clowns I am going to throw this out there. Why be a Juggalo. Be mature on this really think it over look deep inside and what made you find that light? What spoke to you from the music that touched you. I love the beef but put it aside for a minute and leave J alone lol.

Growing up I never fit into a certain group. I was popular but still never felt a belonging. I was a jock so I ran with them but never fully fit in because I was also something else. A scrub I would find out years later. So I never was fully accepted by either group. Then I heard the great melinko. I knew there was something about the music right when I heard Hokus Pokus and the Neden Game. This was at 10 years old. Now I jumped into the rest of the catalogue. The next few albums were AJB. Bizzar Bizarrs and FF3. The fire was lit and by now two other Juggalos were at my school. But again I was a Juggalo jock so never fully fit in either group.  

Skip to 2002- The wraith. The era of Shangri-La. This is what made me fully understand why im down and why I never fit in in either group or any group fully. Something about this album and the diamond rain and the fucking shine touched me and made me fucking beam. I’ve never lost that shine to this day. I wasn’t brought to tears by thy unveiling, but a spark of energy hit me and it became evident to me that its not about where I fit in or who I roll with its about me. Its about walking with my head high and feeling fucking fresh and shining 24/7/365. In the Jock groups they would question why I am down and Ide be like because im fucking beaming why the fuck aren’t you down. Same with the juggalos they would be like why do you play sports and kick it jocks and my response would be cause im the shit at sports why don’t you get off your ass and beam at something.

So here is the question. What song, album, or whatever the fuck make you feel the shine or what spoke to you. Lets keep this thread positive enough with the negativity shit for on thread. Drop a dope story on here about something ! Something that beams positive vibes and Karma, MMFWCL

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Simple and Blunt. 

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Bein a young white boy, raised up in a fucked up environment where the shit people can’t believe happens when they see it on TV  was a part of everyday life, of course I was introduced to ICP. I always liked alot of the music, but that’s not y I’m a lo. This shit has truly made alot of los hate other los. I’m mature enough now to know I shouldn’t hate someone because of wat they like. That being said I feel j has been trying to force people to pick sides. I say fuck all that, I’ll always listen to wat I like, lately been mainly mne shit or underground fresh coast shit. I really felt the love when I started to meet thousands of juggalos who if they had more or less money, a car,house,kids, watever they were pretty much like me. Didn’t really matter the age, of course u have ur exceptions. I still go to shows and gatherings and shit for the music yea, but really it’s for the environment. The majority of the shit u hear u have in the car or the crib anyway. I’ve always been a juggalo because of y’all muthafuckers and wat happens when a bunch of us get together. Shits been different as of late though it sure seems

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May 12, 2017
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My friend had a few songs burned onto a CD. I don’t remember all of them, but I definitely remember My Axe, It’s Time and Whut? being on there. I only really connected with a few people in highschool and the only friends I had besides that were two guy I met in middle school. One of those two was who turned me on to ICP and the other other one is still one of my best friends and we’re both down as fuck with the clown. Everyone else in my circle kind of drifted away from it, one of them now only listens to Bro Country music which is weird as fuck. The one who turned me on to ICP has also drifted away from it, sadly. This is a guy with a hatchetmen AND wraith tattoos on his forearms. I don’t understand how you can just fall out of it.

For me, ICP was something magical. It was different, raw and angry. Three things I considered myself at that age; that most people consider themselves at that age (13). The sense of unconditional love from people I’ve never met struck a chord with me as well. I remember one time I was sitting at a liquor store in the parking lot in my car with a huge red hatchetman sticker on the back. Some dude sitting at a red light LOUDLY yelled for his homie who was driving to pull off into the lot. He was a Juggalo who just moved to the area and didn’t know many people aside from the dude who was driving. We exchanged numbers and went on our way. Name another time a simple record label logo connected two people like that. I doubt there are many.

 

Others may come and go, but I take it seriously when I say I’m down with the clown ’til I’m dead in the ground.

 

I didn’t choose Juggalo. Juggalo chose me.

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May 12, 2017
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i consider myself a juggalo cuz im a uber fan of ICP and Psy records.. and ever since i 1st heard it in the 5th grade, generally felt their music was the shit.

ive always kinda been a juggalo among juggalos and never really made friends.. regardless of going to shows and being one of dozens of local juggalo rappers.. who i obviously have things in common with..

i respect the idea of family love and believe those who have felt it but its always kinda been an “extra flavor” mainly-gathering-centric type thing in all that is this juggalo world, to me..

as far as shine, i know i give this album mad props but Found really is a project thats beaming with positivity and can really recharge some confidence and spirit..

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May 12, 2017
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See how dope these stories are. Each one made me smile and like that’s dope. I am not rydin with MNE anymore but I would never condemn someone who still does. I remember when the wraith was out I would ride my bike to a bunch of older Juggalos house and look at the stickers on their cars. Once I turned 16 me and maybe three others all had the 16″ wraith vinyl on our front windshields to me that was the dopest shit on the planet.

I agree 100% found for me was devastating. Especially the track found. ICP has always schooled the deep/feel good songs and I love when they do it. Homies is my all time favorite track from the beat to the lyrics to the video. I like when they go in on some one for sure but in the world full of negativity I want that shit blurred out. I am loving this being the year of beaming. Even though a lot of los and lettes don’t like the videos there dropping im like hey, at least they are coming with new shit every month for us to fuck with. Juggalo for life was dope hahah and undestructable was cool too.

Like I said before I love the shit talking and stirring the pot but every once and a while we need to remind ourselves why we are all a part of this culture and hearing the story of fresh times and happiness is needed once and a while.

Something that throws my energy through the roof is at shows when they first hit the stage and start rapping. Im 27 years olds and I get as hyped as a little fucking kid who just drank a case of monsters and went to Disneyland for the first time. I always think at shows when there done, okay I got my karma back too 100 and I cant wait for the next show to come through town. Im sure eventually the hate will come on here but thanks for sharing some of your stories keep posting them its stocking the karma bank for all of us.

May 12, 2017
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RenoRyda said

Something that throws my energy through the roof is at shows when they first hit the stage and start rapping. Im 27 years olds and I get as hyped as a little fucking kid who just drank a case of monsters and went to Disneyland for the first time. I always think at shows when there done, okay I got my karma back too 100 and I cant wait for the next show to come through town. Im sure eventually the hate will come on here but thanks for sharing some of your stories keep posting them its stocking the karma bank for all of us.  

yo for real tho, even going to a cheap local juggalo/rap show is a boost in karma, just being around that much energy.. even if the crowd’s small.. going to see even a small act is a very underrated experience..

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May 12, 2017
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why not?  

  

great story, huh.  

okay, i might get a lil more philosophical later.  im sure i could go on and on and on about it.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

May 12, 2017
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Who cares, fuck juggalos, fuck the stupid ass culture, the awesomeness comes from the dope people. And I think anybody that lets what’s going on make them turn on once good homies is a fucking chump ass bitch and fuck them. Have heated discussions and call each other dick riding moron sheep or what not all you want but at the end of the day, it wasn’t any of those painted retards that made the culture great. It was you guys. And don’t let the fact that your homie is a dick riding sheeple following either a cult leader or baby Hitler change that.

 

A good friend of mine once said, “A juggalo is someone who chooses to define themself as such.”

May 12, 2017
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For me, it was “Welcome to the show” off the wraith. That is when I truly knew that this was my shit. I had been listening to ICP for years prior. Started when Riddlebox dropped in fact. But along comes the wraith and my eyes were opened that this was more than a couple of chuckle fucks rapping about murder. Nah man, they were real to me then. I was prepping for the military at the time and damn, smacked me straight in the fucking nugget that I can be my own person and feel empowerment through the same. I dunno, I could rant on about how the carnival reeled me in, but I got a idea…

So being a fan of both Psy and MNE….here’s my speculation…the two brands are putting up this beef for the juggalos. To see who’s truly down with both and to weed out phonies. I mean the real true to life fans will stand by regardless. So yadda yadda ya…a couple more years will pass then out of the blue, the two labels make up and decide to collab (Lotus or Rydas…or something else) and they make a bomb ass, better than anything they’ve made before album and call it (Drum roll)….”Bury the hatchet”

Just a sweet fucking compilation of every MNE and Psy artist putting forth their best efforts (perhaps on a double disc). The labels remain separate but they fucking school the underground with their reunion and reformed friendship. Just a theory I been bouncing around.

Thoughts?

Outtie 

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May 12, 2017
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I got only one tattoo on me that represents this culture and it isn’t a Hatchet man or a Twiztid logo er what ever. Its a Lotus Cross. That group is what got me into Hip Hop in general. I wouldn’t know about Kool G, Big L or any classic shit if I had never first got into Dark Lotus. And that’s why this drama shit sucks for me personally.

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Because being a Juggalo gives me an identity. As much shit that’s going on amongst the “Psychopathic Culture” and the “MNE Culture”, some of which I’m even guilty of being vocal about one side vs another, I still can revert to the “Juggalo Culture” which will be around for far longer than the music and the record labels and is bigger than each. 

Being a Juggalo means I can be myself and think for myself. That’s the biggest thing for me. Take the march for example. I am 100% supportive of the Juggalo movement, but am choosing not to participate because I think the march itself is dumb. Other’s disagree, but that choice I’m making is one of the perks of being a Juggalo.

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Bizzar made me laugh when I really needed it, & The Great Milenko reminded me that I don’t have to surf the tsunami of bullshit that every era seems to call their own. I’m a Juggalo because I give a fuck, and if I bailed when the vessels of good ideas became preachy-the-clown douchebags I’d just be a tourist. My “Open Letter to Psy” is short & sweet:

Oy!! The clowns are acting like fat Elvis. Sack up.

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May 12, 2017
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Faygo the clown said
For me, it was “Welcome to the show” off the wraith. That is when I truly knew that this was my shit. I had been listening to ICP for years prior. Started when Riddlebox dropped in fact. But along comes the wraith and my eyes were opened that this was more than a couple of chuckle fucks rapping about murder. Nah man, they were real to me then. I was prepping for the military at the time and damn, smacked me straight in the fucking nugget that I can be my own person and feel empowerment through the same. I dunno, I could rant on about how the carnival reeled me in, but I got a idea…

So being a fan of both Psy and MNE….here’s my speculation…the two brands are putting up this beef for the juggalos. To see who’s truly down with both and to weed out phonies. I mean the real true to life fans will stand by regardless. So yadda yadda ya…a couple more years will pass then out of the blue, the two labels make up and decide to collab (Lotus or Rydas…or something else) and they make a bomb ass, better than anything they’ve made before album and call it (Drum roll)….”Bury the hatchet”

Just a sweet fucking compilation of every MNE and Psy artist putting forth their best efforts (perhaps on a double disc). The labels remain separate but they fucking school the underground with their reunion and reformed friendship. Just a theory I been bouncing around.

Thoughts?

Outtie   

That would be alright, hopefully sooner than later

May 13, 2017
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bringin this back out, lest people keep thinkin theres nothin to talk about but drama.  

  

what comes to my addled mind at the moment is 

as many of you have seen me quote before, MmmmBrainz once said  
the worst thing about being a juggalo, is other juggalos.  

geniusism.  

scruffy then tacked on to that  
also, the best thing about being a juggalo, is other juggalos.  

super-derivative, so, unworthy of genius.  but you get the point.  the duality.  those two statements belong tied together.  

that sorta yin/yang shit appeals to me, bein the hoooker-with-a-heart-of-gold walkin contradiction type that i am.  and the whole juggalo world is steeped in contradictory dualism.  

  

just as an illustration;  black humor, which is founded on contradiction and is ultimately the essence of what icp does, is not the easiest thing to pull off.  but when done well, i cant help but appreciate it.  

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May 13, 2017
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i joined the forum just to post to this love this idea ……when i was a dumb ass kid i thought icp we’re wrestlers because of their time with the oddities then they came to wcw with Vamp and was doing commentary one night and i was like damn these dudes are funny flash forward a bit The Box is running Tilt-A -Whirl and we dont die at 9am had my dad take me to the mall went into Camelot records and bought the 1st tape i could find from them which was the ringmaster that gold foil and black writing (that totally was gone by the time this tape said goodnight) the eerie voice of the fortune teller and the little insert that had 6 slots 2 filled and 4 empty i was intrigued the carny beats from Mike E. almost no features but that one guy on house of mirrors (what happened to that nigga mayne….. moving on) i knew once that tape was over i had to find more of these psychopathic records guys and that was 17 years ago thats why this year was special for me. Rydas will forever be my shit tho  just that thug shit i like to hear and that was how i and my homie Krazy met he was rocking an old ass rydas shirt and i had to stop em and when him and my grandpa died i thought it was over but the homies  i met from being a  juggalo helped a brother out from going down a dark path so they stay in my circle whether it was the clowns twiztid blaze abk project born esham zug hell i even tried to find fuckin perpetual hype engine once (yea i went there lol) i didnt care i was gonna seek out whatever and bump that shit till death

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i joined the forum just to post to this love this idea ……when i was a dumb ass kid i thought icp we’re wrestlers because of their time with the oddities then they came to wcw with Vamp and was doing commentary one night and i was like damn these dudes are funny flash forward a bit The Box is running Tilt-A -Whirl and we dont die at 9am had my dad take me to the mall went into Camelot records and bought the 1st tape i could find from them which was the ringmaster that gold foil and black writing (that totally was gone by the time this tape said goodnight) the eerie voice of the fortune teller and the little insert that had 6 slots 2 filled and 4 empty i was intrigued the carny beats from Mike E. almost no features but that one guy on house of mirrors (what happened to that nigga mayne….. moving on) i knew once that tape was over i had to find more of these psychopathic records guys and that was 17 years ago thats why this year was special for me. Rydas will forever be my shit tho  just that thug shit i like to hear and that was how i and my homie Krazy met he was rocking an old ass rydas shirt and i had to stop em and when him and my grandpa died i thought it was over but the homies  i met from being a  juggalo helped a brother out from going down a dark path so they stay in my circle whether it was the clowns twiztid blaze abk project born esham zug hell i even tried to find fuckin perpetual hype engine once (yea i went there lol) i didnt care i was gonna seek out whatever and bump that shit till death

Mcl    

I remember the first day I got ringmaster. I was at a bar with my family later in the evening. Like most 12 year olds I was playing the parking lot when this fine ass girl (to me at 12) came up to say whats up. We talked for a few minutes and I was like hey, want to hear some fresh ass music. She agreed. So we sat in my parents car and I remember playing her the love song and bugs on my nutz hahaha she was like this is fucking lame and bounced out ahahah.

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that’s how ill say 60% of all human interaction for me was in high school “this shit wack” i would trick people with the rydas they start nodding their heads i’m like you like that right ….its icp haha now what hoe lol. one of my homies is a str8 g nothing but thug music but he loves i go to work by blaze and the wizard of the hood album every time i would see  him he would be like “yo you got that clown shit, on you ” lol indeed i do my friend indeed i do 

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I love a good Juggalo origin story. I suppose I can share mine here.

 

Growing up, I hated rap. I was more of a 70’s rock and metal kinda kid, save for the single Bone Thugz & Harmony tape I played since elementary school. The popular culture of the time favored R&B and Rap more than anything, and every white kid in my middle school was on that cringey exclusvely suburban trend of talking in ebonics and play thuggin’ when mom wasn’t around. Nelly was hot then, Ruff Rydaz, and Eminem of course. My brother loved all of the greats from that era and before: Dogg Pound, Dre and the like, but like everyone else around my way Eminem was played over and over. 

 

I was aware of his skill, sure, and I got why he was so popular…but at the same time, every mom on my block was jocking him too. It was hard for me to take that seriously, especially when the news kept touting how controversial he was. So even with that accessiblity I remained a rap outsider.

 

In the late 90’s Napster became a thing, and I used it to check out all the music I loved and check out bands I hadn’t heard of. That’s how I found Slipknot, Godsmack and others- hearing some band name and plugging it into the search engine. I had a middle school girlfriend who mentioned her brother liked Insane Clown Posse, so I typed that in. The first few songs I heard were Night of the Axe, Murder Go Round and Amy’s in the Attic. 

 

I’ve mentioned before that I’m a huge horror nerd. My education began early with those long lost days of sleepovers and pursuing the fabled horror section at VHS rental outlets and all night marathons of TNT’s Monstervision hosted by Joe Bob Briggs. I immediately picked up on the fact that ICP’s songs were horror stories set to beats, and fell in love. Soon I had a respectable playlist of random cuts from their entire catalog.

 

I had no idea what Joker’s Cards, Juggalos or anything like that was at the time. But I know what I liked. One day, my brother came home and asked me to look up a group called Twiztid. He found out about this group through a friend of his who listened exclusively to underground hiphop. Together we listened to a handful of songs from Mostasteless, and I liked the fact that they seemed to be another group who did rap with a horror movie bent. I picked up on them namedropping J and Shaggy, but didn’t think about them as label mates- rappers shouted eachother out all the time, I just thought it was because they had a similar style and it was fresh. 

 

A few years passed. Napster gave way to KaZaa and Limewire. I caught wind through my brother’s friend that ICP and Twiztid were dropping a project that was a super group. Tales From The Lotus Pod was the first complete album I  bootlegged tits to tail, and remains one of my favorite albums of all time. Juggalo Family and Dot Com piqued my curiousity and gave me the avenues to research this whole Juggalo thing. 

 

What? ICP’s whole shit is a series of concept albums? Well now I gotta hear the whole story! They throw soda? Fuck, I love soda, it’s like sixty percent of my diet! The more I learned, the more interested I became. The question of whether or not I was a ‘real’ Juggalo was never put to task by me or anybody else, really. There was no revelatory moment, I didn’t hear ‘Pass Me By’ and weep, I didn’t swear allegience to the Dark Carnival wagons, I just sort of fell into it. It fit me like a glove, so why not? 

 

Around this time my sister made friends with a Juggalette named Sara, and introduced us. Sara could have been junior Choko- her room was all empty Faygo bottles and hand drawn ICP colorings. She had a clique of five or so underage scrubs who became my OG tribe. They never tried to pull rank or give me shit because I had no merch (behavior that was pandemic at the time), they just let my rep rest on my character and musical nerdiness. They broke me to the local scene and hooked me up with my first Hatchetgear- I remain cool with those ninjas to this day, and though I appreciate ththem and all the fam I’ve amassed over time, it was never about that for me. I got in it for the music, and the adventures I’ve had as a result of following the music is a fringe blessing.

 

So why be a Juggalo? Because I always have been. The music changed, sure, but the music that got me in is still there and I’m typically entertained by the new shit whether its good or bad. The scene changed, absolutely. But none of those things dictate my policy on who I am at the end of the day. I’ve been doing this, and had nothing but a blast doing it, so why stop now?

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I started calling myself a juggalo when I was 12 and I really got sucked into the culture. It really is a wonderful culture and there was a wonderful feeling behind belonging to that culture. I was easily a nut hugging ICP worshiper when I was younger. I quickly grew out of that because I couldn’t hate on Eminem. Eminem is dope. That was around 15, 14 when I started thinking for myself and stopped letting ICP think for me. I’ve met a lot of good and close friends that were juggalos I’m still friends with today. A lot of them are subtle juggalos or just dropped the title. Very few were die hard only listen to ICP. Plus, in Magna it’s hard not to know somebody that was a juggalo. I dropped the title around 20 or 21 some time shortly after joining this forum because I wanted my own identity. Maybe juggalo is a piece of me but it’s not my identity so I won’t ever call myself a juggalo I am Lucem Ferre. I want people to know me as Lucem Ferre. An independent soul who thinks for them self. Who’s actions is a reflection of self. Who’s style is a reflection of self. I do things in the name of me. Not a culture or a title or a lable. I always get told I look like a juggalo. Mostly because I have a shitty beard and braided hair. And I always say, “I’m not a damn dirty juggalo.”

I talk a lot of shit on juggalos. I won’t stop. I shit talk everybody though. I refuse to kiss ass to any culture. But I have definitely done more for people in this culture than even myself. I’m always hooking yall up with shit. Always help other artists more than I help myself. Give this dude free beats, try and help this dude get an interview, try and give feedback or advice to this guy when he asks for it. And I don’t really know why because juggalos are the most under appreciative group out there. Like, you pick a dick to ride (ICP or Twiztid) like they can do no wrong then over scrutinize the decisions of every other group like they owe you.

I digress. Why be a Juggalo? I don’t know. That question probably is what caused me to stop being one. Is it the friends? No. I don’t call myself a juggalo and a lot of you still consider me family. Is it the culture? No. The culture is laced with as many contradictions and hypocrisies as any other culture. And in reality it’s always been a mesh of other counter cultures in the first place. The music? No. I hardly like ICP’s music anymore. Are juggalos really as supportive as you guys say? No. Juggalos can be just as shady with each other as any other group. So the only reason I can think of to be a juggalo is to have an identity. I already have one. I’m Lucem Ferre. I’m just going to be me. I don’t give a shit. Some of yall feel I’m still juggalo some of yall don’t. Who cares? I’m me.

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