I don't see why people need this god to do what they know to be moral. If you read the bible you'll actually realize just how immoral this god character actually is, hell, according to the bible god didn't even want you to have morality or intelligent thought, he forbid it. This imaginary character teaches hate and claims perfection. So many people blindly follow this psychotic figure with out questioning why. Regardless of his existence, why would you follow this monster? Secular humanism, so many of our greatest philosophers and brightest thinkers realized this.The word 'sin' is a restrictive word because it's not what you do that makes you evil but why you do it. If I kill a man the bible says I'm evil just for killing him. If I killed a man as a last resort to save a crowded train full of people because this man was going to some how detonate a bomb or something to kill everybody on that train is that evil? It's a 'sin' but is it really evil?

I do my best to act morally without the threats of hell or the bribes of heaven and consistently become rewarded with steaming piles of shit, but I still try regardless of these constant outcomes. Then I get told that I need a god to be really moral because I'm just an imperfect shame compared to him, I should be grateful of his presence. Or I get told that I'm some kind of monster who deserves to be "raped by the devil" in hell for not believing. Fuck that.

And people wonder why I'm filled with misanthropy.

Fuck you, never touched that shit, I'm 100% clean and always have been. Are you?

Your fucking idiot imbecile insult is supposed to give me a reason to not be filled with misanthropy? Do you think? No, real question, can you actually think? "Oh, this kid doesn't like people, let's insult him that will give him a different outlook! Let's not only insult him, lets place an accusation and complete judgement on his character with no evidence to back it up That will bring him around and start liking people!!"

Another reason I don't like people, instead of trying to help a person with their fallacies they instead insult and condemn them for said fallacy.

bohab said:

your hella easy to troll, relax guy

I don't like being accused of being a tweaker. Kind of been in a hateful mood lately, fuck relaxation.

I like this song though, and I think people are being fucking idiots when they compare that shit to Miracles. They said the same shit about Ghetto Rainbows. It's like, really think this is going to be the new version of Miracles? Do they even make any line in here nearly as dumb as the magnets shit? Do you even know why Miracles was made fun of? It was because the magnets line was fucking stupid and the way they presented it, "Pure motherfucking magic". I'm consistently debating that the vocabulary somebody uses doesn't define the content of their message, but even I found the vocabulary in this song to be a bit much for the content. It's like they tried to recreate the brilliance of Fly Away or Nothing's Left but sprinkled it with more ridiculous examples and the frequent use of the 'fuck' word. Not only that, but the stereotypical Hip Hop rhythm they used when rhyming it, sounds like one of the music videos from the Bill Nye the science guy's films, except they were dissing science.

Point is, this song is not even close to being as ridiculous as Miracles, in fact I think I read a review where they praised this song and said that it was a much more mature comeback to Miracles. People are just being paranoid about what others think.

bohab said:

wait where in this thread does anyone reference miracles? am i missing something? homie you seem more hung up on that magnet line than anyone and  thats saying something. icp always has had "stupid" lyrics. since day one. because life is absurd sometimes. did you sweat the what is a juggalo connect four reference? no, because SOCIETY didn't sweat you about connect four. dont blame icp for your insecurites. a magnet is fuckin magic. it sticks to other magnets and shit.

Lucem Ferre said:

 

Point is, this song is not even close to being as ridiculous as Miracles, in fact I think I read a review where they praised this song and said that it was a much more mature comeback to Miracles. People are just being paranoid about what others think.

Of all the things I'm insecure about, that one lyric is not one of those things, in fact nobody has ever "sweat" me about that lyric. You obviously don't get the context of what I was saying and I obviously didn't make it clear enough. Either way, you again jumped to a conclusion. This time it is that I was projecting my insecurities out on ICP for that one song when in reality I just don't like that song and found it ridiculous. If I was worried about what society thought about me liking this song I would be worried about it becoming a music video. Hell, I wouldn't even be a juggalo.

Maybe, just maybe (since you like to assume things about people's characters I will too) you liked the song so much that you just got mad when I said I didn't like it. I guess I forget to put IMO.

I seem to be one of the few people that actually like Miracles. I think it was an incredibly brave song to release in such cynical, spiritually deprived times and I don't believe ICP ever thought the attention, and hate, would snowball like it did. 

What is laughable is how ICP were immediately labelled a 'Christian rap group' for releasing a song that spoke of God with a greater reverence than that given to Science. I am not opposed to Science; in fact I have just completed a degree in Biology and Ecology. This course attracted me because of the deep resonance and respect I have with the natural world. This song struck a chord with me because I ultimately found that the further I understood the natural world scientifically, the more my wonder at it decreased. The more life was separated into atoms, molecules, cells, proteins, enzymes and genetic evolution the more my connection became forced, learned or remembered rather than intuitive, instinctive and spontaneous.

I am not criticising science here; I understand the profound positive changes that natural science has enabled in the world of conservation but I am ever mindful that it is the disassociation from the naturally harmonious life of many vernacular, tribal cultures that evolved to a re-placing of faith in technology and science that brought about the environmental problems in the first place.

It is a grievous mistake on the part of the 'oh so educated' average internet user to label anyone who questions absolute faith in science as ignorant. These questions are actually far from new; the work of Edmund Husserl in the early 1900's proposed a new type of science called 'phenomenology' which championed the subjective experience of the individual over the objective theories of science, arguing that the objective could never be truly experienced by the individual owing to the manner in which we experience reality. The daily experience of a human is experienced through a 'lens' of our socio-economic upbringing and science must therefore generalise our overall experience and becomes subsequently inaccurate. Husserl argued that science seeks a fixed blueprint of the world but the world is not fixed at all...rather constantly in transition and flux.

I prefer to look at some things as miracles because they genuinely are- scientifically or otherwise and I don't believe it to be ignorance to put faith in my own experience over these mysterious scientists championed in often dubious publications.