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1:56 am
Jeff Tittie said:
Im fine with Twiztid leaving psy may very well make for better music from them, I just hope they dont go to strange.
First of all Im no Fan of Tech or really anyone much from strange BUT even if I was Strange is smaller and less known than psychopathic (only arguable big name is tech) and the money in it for people under him Im sure would be less than twiztid would likely get from psy, especially because I honestly would see them having a smaller following if they were on strange
I just hope they do start their own label up, I bet if blaze is under contract or whatever thats the only thing holding him back or he'd have likely followed twiztid off right away too.
Strange stays on the road man, they have 3 full length tours already planned for next yearm and the road is where the real money is. 2nd of all, Twizted's last album only sold 19K copies……. Krizz Kalikos last album, which came out this year, did better & sold 22K, Prozak sold 16K and Stevie Stone sold 15K…..Cold 187um sold 3800, which is barely as much as all of Strange musics straight to digital EP's they threw out this year…….So it's not like Strange is a smaller label, at this point, Strange outsells psychopathic…….Tech N9ne's 6's & 7's sold 208K last year, MDP is at 60K………
You wanna talk business, here's a list of record sales for 2012………..Tell me which company is doing better
 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:42 pm |  |
—————————— TOP 10 —————————— NICKI MINAJ – Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded : 726,875 RICK ROSS – God Forgives, I Don't : 468,892 KENDRICK LAMAR – Good Kid, m.A.A.d City : 427,993 2 CHAINZ – Based On A T.R.U. Story : 404,738 G.O.O.D. MUSIC – Cruel Summer : 371,629 NAS – Life Is Good: 332,800 TYGA – Careless World : Rise of the Last King : 316,000 MAYBACH MUSIC GROUP – Self Made Vol. 2 : 252,000 MEEK MILL – Dreams And Nightmares : 244,833 B.O.B. – Strange Clouds : 244,000 —————————— FUTURE – Pluto : 206,000 —————————— SLAUGHTERHOUSE – Welcome To: Our House : 85,161 | |
2:10 am
March 31, 2012
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Facts & Figures said:
Strange stays on the road man, they have 3 full length tours already planned for next yearm and the road is where the real money is. 2nd of all, Twizted's last album only sold 19K copies……. Krizz Kalikos last album, which came out this year, did better & sold 22K, Prozak sold 16K and Stevie Stone sold 15K…..Cold 187um sold 3800, which is barely as much as all of Strange musics straight to digital EP's they threw out this year…….So it's not like Strange is a smaller label, at this point, Strange outsells psychopathic…….Tech N9ne's 6's & 7's sold 208K last year, MDP is at 60K………
You wanna talk business, here's a list of record sales for 2012………..Tell me which company is doing better
lol are you serious? lol @ comparing techs 2011 LP to icps 4 month old 2012 LP & psy only put out 3 LPs this year (2 of which were released 2 months ago) so obviously strange is outsellin em… still tho krizz should have more than a 3K lead when his albums been out 4 times as long as twiztids..
2:15 am
March 31, 2012
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Well Icp released one record it did 60,000+ Twiztid did 19,000+. Tech N9ne who appears on there multiple times only narrowly reached them. Business is business Twiztid is better off on Psychopathic promoting themselves like they did with Freek Show (Big Irish reminded me of that in a video).
2:44 am
What's there to support about Psychopathic anymore? It's a sinking ship because of Violent J's ego. He signs artists nobody cares about, puts on wrestling shows nobody cares about, and makes music that makes juggalos cringe these days. He bends over backwards for mainstream acceptance that will never come and he's let himself go he can't rap or sing anymore. Their music is trying to be so safe these days that they should drop the “Insane” part in their name completely. Remember before MDP dropped and they said they're calling people out and have no regrets? Oh wow Chris Brown and Dog The Bounty Hunter. Don't get too crazy guys! The album was supposed to return to their wicked roots too. Yeah, not so much. They wanted to change the Gathering of the Juggalos to just The Gathering to be more accepted. Signing acts to the Gathering that juggalos don't even like and doing collabs with artists juggalos don't like. The Miracles fiasco. Being on an SNL in the closet skit that they were “honored” to be on. That was SNL's answer to ICP's request to perform on the show after SNL dissed them on numerous skits btw. Treated them like bitches and ICP was honored. The new ICP everybody! Old ICP is rolling in their graves. Saying they're Christians when they don't even know what it means and making songs about wanting to slap God. Come on. And too many other examples. Nothing they do makes sense anymore.
So where has all this gotten them? Nowhere. The mainstream still treats them like a joke, MDP sold LESS than BPB opening week despite J deluding himself thinking it would be there biggest album ever because they got some mainstream press from Miracles and SNL dissing them, and the label is crumbling from the inside. Psychopathic used to be an alternative and like what ICP has become, it's a joke too. Now J cares more about positive press and fulfilling his own fantasies than he does doing what's best for the label or the fans. Completely backwards mentality of what it used to be and the results speak for itself. It backfired on him big time. It's a safe bet Blaze will leave which leaves the roster to ICP making bad soft and safe music and people that kiss J's ass and/or people J was a fan of growing up. So in other words it's just ICP. It's not even about putting out the best product for the juggalos anymore. They just let their biggest act outside of themselves go because of ego. So the label itself is done. It doesn't mean anything anymore. I know it'll always be the ICP label and when ICP is done, so is the label. But as far as it being a thriving alternative label, it's no more.
Sorry if this sounded all dramatic that wasn't my intention. Only that blindly supporting the label when they've turned their backs on the fans and everything they used to stand for doesn't make sense. Psychopathic almost went under years back too for the exact same reasons. But Twiztid stuck around and ICP started making jokers cards again. Now with Twiztid gone and juggalos losing interest in the second deck quickly and the rest of the artists on the label, what's going to make it thrive again? Outside of ICP making Riddle Box and Milenko quality music again, I don't see the optimism here. Doubtful they'll find anyone as talented as Twiztid again either. Psychopathic and ICP are played out while Twiztid is still quality and having drive to make their fanbase happy. Can't wait to see what moves they make because we know J will keep doing the same lame shit he's been doing for the past decade. Bad music and bad decisions. Dude is stuck in his ways and isn't showing any signs of changing.
2:52 am
March 31, 2012
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Blame Billy Bill the current Head at Psychopathic. Billy Fucking Bill should be where the blame is directed. Since he has been put in charge everything changed. But nobodies gonna step to him because he's a known bruiser. Icp created the label but they have other shit to focus on like music, kids, interviews & other shit. Put the blame on the real problem Billy Fuck up Bill.
2:53 am
September 24, 2012
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All you faggots thought I was full of shit, when I was 100% right twiztid would leave.
ITS OVER wow 12/12/12 what an amazing day Im so happy and so thankful for twiztid, This is like early christmas I love it!!!!
2:57 am
March 31, 2012
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Will you just die in your mothers basement.
3:55 am
June 20, 2012
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I only hope psy dont make some lame attempt to snatch up Jokerr.
4:27 am
December 3, 2012
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patjoyce said:
Shit's definetly going to be different. Fuck it, isn't the world supposed to end anyway?
This is the catalyst. The planets are in alignment and nibiru is on its way. Hide ya kids Hide ya wife They sodomizing everybody. lol personally im excited man. Change isn't always bad. Best of luck and love to twiztid
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
10:52 am
April 13, 2012
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i wonder if billy got that christmas card ? 
K R U S H - K I L L - D E S T R O Y !
10:59 am
April 15, 2012
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I think whats gonna have to happen is Violent J is gonna have to go back to the days of the Sixth when he wasnt a fat slob. let's face it, when his weight was down his flow was better. how u gonna have a flow when you got 500 pounds of stomach fat resting on your lungs. He keeps it up homedood aint even gonna be able to do shows cuz he'll be so fucking winded. lol
looks like ABK is gonna be PSY's next Twiztid (it aint like they have a choice!).
Maybe they'll try to get Dayton Family back, and quite possibly keep Zug Izland longer than one album!
All i know is that they gonna have to do something different now that they #2 is gone.
11:00 am
April 15, 2012
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Facts & Figures said:
Jeff Tittie said:
Im fine with Twiztid leaving psy may very well make for better music from them, I just hope they dont go to strange.
First of all Im no Fan of Tech or really anyone much from strange BUT even if I was Strange is smaller and less known than psychopathic (only arguable big name is tech) and the money in it for people under him Im sure would be less than twiztid would likely get from psy, especially because I honestly would see them having a smaller following if they were on strange
I just hope they do start their own label up, I bet if blaze is under contract or whatever thats the only thing holding him back or he'd have likely followed twiztid off right away too.
Strange stays on the road man, they have 3 full length tours already planned for next yearm and the road is where the real money is. 2nd of all, Twizted's last album only sold 19K copies……. Krizz Kalikos last album, which came out this year, did better & sold 22K, Prozak sold 16K and Stevie Stone sold 15K…..Cold 187um sold 3800, which is barely as much as all of Strange musics straight to digital EP's they threw out this year…….So it's not like Strange is a smaller label, at this point, Strange outsells psychopathic…….Tech N9ne's 6's & 7's sold 208K last year, MDP is at 60K………
You wanna talk business, here's a list of record sales for 2012………..Tell me which company is doing better
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:42 pm
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TOP 10
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NICKI MINAJ – Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded : 726,875
RICK ROSS – God Forgives, I Don't : 468,892
KENDRICK LAMAR – Good Kid, m.A.A.d City : 427,993
2 CHAINZ – Based On A T.R.U. Story : 404,738
G.O.O.D. MUSIC – Cruel Summer : 371,629
NAS – Life Is Good: 332,800
TYGA – Careless World : Rise of the Last King : 316,000
MAYBACH MUSIC GROUP – Self Made Vol. 2 : 252,000
MEEK MILL – Dreams And Nightmares : 244,833
B.O.B. – Strange Clouds : 244,000
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TOP 20
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FUTURE – Pluto : 206,000
PROJECT X – Original Soundtrack : 192,925
LECRAE – Gravity : 150,017
LUPE FIASCO – Food & Liquor II: The Great American Rap Album Pt. 1 : 146,300
MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS – The Heist : 142,656
COLT FORD – Declaration Of Independence : 118,300
ODD FUTURE – OF Tape Vol. 2 : 101,474
MACHINE GUN KELLY – Lace Up : 100,454
BIG K.R.I.T. – Live From The Underground : 91,530
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME – Triple F Life : 91,471
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Other albums (more than 1k sold)
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SLAUGHTERHOUSE – Welcome To: Our House : 85,161
DJ KHALED – Kiss The Ring : 80,054
E-40 – The Block Brochure: Welcome to the Soil 1-2-3 : 73,087
CHIDDY BANG – Breakfast : 71,940
CURREN$Y – The Stoned Immaculate : 70,623
DIGGY – Unexpected Arrival : 64,245
YO GOTTI – Live From The Kitchen : 62,028
INSANE CLOWN POSSE – The Mighty Death Pop! : 60,239
HOODIE ALLEN – All American : 54,448
KID INK – Up & Away : 44,838
TRIP LEE – Good Life : 44,149
MACHINE GUN KELLY – Half Naked & Almost Famous EP : 41,926
TRAVIS PORTER – From Day 1 : 39,751
DJ DRAMA – Quality Street Music : 37,948
WISIN & YANDEL – Lideres : 36,106
DMX – Undisputed : 33,627
TECH N9NE – Klusterfuk EP : 32,670
DON OMAR – Meet The Orphans 2 : 32,129
AESOP ROCK – Skelethon : 30,347
PITBULL – Original Hits : 30,276
VARIOUS ARTISTS – The Man With The Iron Fists OST : 25,800
KILLER MIKE – R.A.P. Music : 23,403
KRIZZ KALIKO – Kickin & Screamin : 22,127
SCHOOLBOY Q – Habits & Contradictions : 21,740
LACS – 190 Proof : 20,378
E-40 & TOO SHORT – History: Mob Music & Function Music : 19,800
TWIZTID – Abominationz : 19,555
DMX – Icon : 19,000
AZEALIA BANKS – 1991 EP : 18,997
EL-P – Cancer For Cure : 18,807
TECH N9NE – E.B.A.H. EP : 17,975
PROZAK – Paranormal : 16,457
BROTHER ALI – Mourning In America & Dreaming In Color : 16,433
ICE CUBE – 10 Nice Songs : 16,309
TOO SHORT – No Trespassing : 16,294
AB-SOUL – Control System : 15,885
STEVIE STONE – Rollin' Stone: 15,782
JAY-Z – Live In Brooklyn : 15,700
TECH N9NE – Boiling Point EP : 15,100
FLAME – 6th : 14,610
KOTTONMOUTH KINGS – Mile High : 14,238
KB – Weight & Glory : 13,361
8BALL – Life's Quest : 11,971
VARIOUS ARTISTS – Mud Digger 3 : 11,812
DADDY YANKEE – Prestige : 11,777
PRODIGY – H.N.I.C. 3 : 11,603
TRAVIS BARKER & YELAWOLF – Psycho White EP : 11,113
¡MAYDAY! – Take Me To Your Leader : 10,930
MAINO – Day After Tomorrow : 10,477
JA RULE – Icon : 9,531
KOKANE – Dr. Kokastein (Hosted by DJ Assassin) : 9,328
SEAN PRICE – Mic Tyson : 9,300
P.O.S. – We Wouldn't Even Live Here : 9,100
LL COOL J – Icon : 9,008
JJ DOOM – Keys To The Kuffs : 8,708
MELLOWHYPE – Numbers : 8,177
LIL WYTE – Still Doubted : 8,050
DIE ANTWOORD – TENSION : 7,753
DMX – DMX Live (Clean) : 7,547
KOKANE – The Legend Continues : 6,503
DEATH GRIPS – Money Store : 6,408
JA RULE – Pain Is Love 2 : 6,147
LECRAE – Church Clothes : 6,019
PSYCHO REALM – Terror Tapes 2 : 5,901
KREAYSHAWN – Somethin 'Bout Kreay : 5,896
JUVENILE – Rejuvenated : 5,862
Z-RO – Angel Dust : 5,782
AER – The Bright Side : 5,179
MADCHILD – Dope Sick : 4,721
CHIEF KEEF – Back From The Dead : 4,684
CIARA – Playlist: The Very Best Of Ciara : 4,637
K'NAAN – More Beautiful Than Silence : 4,620
OBIE TRICE – Bottoms Up : 4,443
VINNIE PAZ – God Of The Serengeti : 4,300
LA COKA NOSTRA – Masters Of The Dark Arts : 4,249
BEANIE SIGEL – This Time : 4,184
LIL SCRAPPY – Grustle : 4,029
MURS & FASHAWN – This Generation : 3,869
PASTOR TROY – Outlaw : 3,787
FUGEES – Playlist: The Very Best Of Fugees : 3,593
¡MAYDAY! – Thrift Store Halos EP : 3,588
SKYZOO – A Dream Deferred : 3,548
HOPSINSWIZZZ – Haywire : 3,540
K'NAAN – Country, God or the Girl : 3,500
COLD 187UM – The Only Solution : 3,400
XZIBIT – Napalm : 3,189
J. STALIN – Memoirs Of A Curb Server : 3,134
DJ PREMIER & BUMPY KNUCKLES – KoleXXXion : 3,099
MICKEY AVALON – Loaded : 3,055
ED SHEERAN & YELAWOLF – The Slumdon Bridge EP : 3,008
THE DEAN'S LIST – Generation X : 2,995
BLU & EXILE – Give Me My Flowers While I Can Still Smell Them : 2,955
CES CRU – 13 EP : 2,940
FUTURE – Astronaut Status : 2,927
DE LA SOUL'S PLUG 1 & PLUG 2 – First Serve : 2,816
SAIGON – The Greatest Story Never Told Chapter 2 : 2,810
THE ALCHEMIST – Russian Roulette : 2,752
KUTT CALHOUN – Kelvin : 2,715
GANGRENE – Vodka & Ayahuasca : 2,664
SNOOP DOGG – Stoner's EP : 2,500
BUCKSHOT & 9TH WONDER – The Solution : 2,400
STEVIE STONE – Momentum : 2,400
SWOOPE – Wake Up : 2,353
G-EASY – Must Be Nice : 2,304
MASTA ACE – MA_DOOM: Son Of Yvonne : 2,287
GUCCI MANE FT DJ HOLIDAY – Trap Back : 2,116
THE COUP – Sorry To Bother You : 2,041
PHILTHY RICH – Kill Zone : 1,966
RYE RYE – Go! Pop! Bang! : 1,935
JACKA – Jacka Presents Artist Records : 1,858
CHINO XL – Ricanstruction : 1,850
DIZZY WRIGHT – Smoke Out Conversations : 1,806
JACKA – Verdict : 1,656
SMOKE DZA – Rugby Thompson : 1,597
PUBLIC ENEMY – Most of My Heroes Still Don't Appear On No Stamp : 1,491
PROJECT PAT – Belly On Full : 1,409
HIP HOP MIX USA – Mixed By DJ Woogie : 1,389
HOMEBOY SANDMAN – First Of A Living Breed : 1,379
BIG K.R.I.T. – 4eva Na Day EP (Road Less Traveled Edition): 1,378
APOLLO BROWN & OC – Trophies : 1,368
NECRO – Murder Murder Kill Kill EP : 1,256
SOL – Yours Truly : 1,247
RAPZILLA.COM PRESENTS – King Culture : 1,232
ANA TIJOUX – La Bala : 1,208
CURREN$Y – Muscle Car Chronicles : 1,126
ODDISEE – People Hear What They See : 1,075
MADLIB – Medicine Show #13: Black Tape : 1,055
SUBNOIZE SOULJAZ – Underground Collabos : 1,032
MAC LETHAL – Irish Goodbye : 1,028
where did u get these album sales figures from?
12:40 pm
i will always support twiztid, i just hope they continue to put out high quality products. oh and if they cannot get national distribution they will be a joke. im sure blaze will be out as soon as he completes his drive by contract. i believe blaze is always just signed for distribution through psy and album to album so expect an announcement after the next drive by and or his next solo…why did they resign roc???
12:53 pm
March 31, 2012
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chops said:
i will always support twiztid, i just hope they continue to put out high quality products. oh and if they cannot get national distribution they will be a joke. im sure blaze will be out as soon as he completes his drive by contract. i believe blaze is always just signed for distribution through psy and album to album so expect an announcement after the next drive by and or his next solo…why did they resign roc???
lol there is no drive-by contract & roc hasnt been resigned haha where do you get your info from???
12:57 pm
March 31, 2012
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Yay Yay said:
What's there to support about Psychopathic anymore? It's a sinking ship because of Violent J's ego. He signs artists nobody cares about, puts on wrestling shows nobody cares about, and makes music that makes juggalos cringe these days. He bends over backwards for mainstream acceptance that will never come and he's let himself go he can't rap or sing anymore. Their music is trying to be so safe these days that they should drop the “Insane” part in their name completely. Remember before MDP dropped and they said they're calling people out and have no regrets? Oh wow Chris Brown and Dog The Bounty Hunter. Don't get too crazy guys! The album was supposed to return to their wicked roots too. Yeah, not so much. They wanted to change the Gathering of the Juggalos to just The Gathering to be more accepted. Signing acts to the Gathering that juggalos don't even like and doing collabs with artists juggalos don't like. The Miracles fiasco. Being on an SNL in the closet skit that they were “honored” to be on. That was SNL's answer to ICP's request to perform on the show after SNL dissed them on numerous skits btw. Treated them like bitches and ICP was honored. The new ICP everybody! Old ICP is rolling in their graves. Saying they're Christians when they don't even know what it means and making songs about wanting to slap God. Come on. And too many other examples. Nothing they do makes sense anymore.
So where has all this gotten them? Nowhere. The mainstream still treats them like a joke, MDP sold LESS than BPB opening week despite J deluding himself thinking it would be there biggest album ever because they got some mainstream press from Miracles and SNL dissing them, and the label is crumbling from the inside. Psychopathic used to be an alternative and like what ICP has become, it's a joke too. Now J cares more about positive press and fulfilling his own fantasies than he does doing what's best for the label or the fans. Completely backwards mentality of what it used to be and the results speak for itself. It backfired on him big time. It's a safe bet Blaze will leave which leaves the roster to ICP making bad soft and safe music and people that kiss J's ass and/or people J was a fan of growing up. So in other words it's just ICP. It's not even about putting out the best product for the juggalos anymore. They just let their biggest act outside of themselves go because of ego. So the label itself is done. It doesn't mean anything anymore. I know it'll always be the ICP label and when ICP is done, so is the label. But as far as it being a thriving alternative label, it's no more.
Sorry if this sounded all dramatic that wasn't my intention. Only that blindly supporting the label when they've turned their backs on the fans and everything they used to stand for doesn't make sense. Psychopathic almost went under years back too for the exact same reasons. But Twiztid stuck around and ICP started making jokers cards again. Now with Twiztid gone and juggalos losing interest in the second deck quickly and the rest of the artists on the label, what's going to make it thrive again? Outside of ICP making Riddle Box and Milenko quality music again, I don't see the optimism here. Doubtful they'll find anyone as talented as Twiztid again either. Psychopathic and ICP are played out while Twiztid is still quality and having drive to make their fanbase happy. Can't wait to see what moves they make because we know J will keep doing the same lame shit he's been doing for the past decade. Bad music and bad decisions. Dude is stuck in his ways and isn't showing any signs of changing.
god damn this was cold haha i strongly disagree with the bolded tho.. i can name over 50 underground emcees (non juggalo-related of course) who all are better than twiztid.. so its not really a matter of finding them its just a matter of taking a chance
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2:08 pm
December 3, 2012
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50 emcees better than twiztid? Thats a bold fucking statement in itself lol.
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
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2:13 pm
March 31, 2012
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It's not hard to do. Go through the underground section and everybody me & warlock posted are generally better than most artist on Psychopathic and the two other labels.
2:23 pm
December 3, 2012
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whatever you say dude. I say both of y'all are full of shit. 75% of the underground is pure fucking trash. Anybody with a laptop can be a fucking rapper these days
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
2:34 pm
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i gotta lean toward slumericans view on that point. acts on twiztids level arent a dime a dozen.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
2:38 pm
September 17, 2012
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Are those numbers real in that long ass list? Holy fucking shit, I knew cd's didn't sell much anymore but if that's true, that's terrible. I don't pay attention to that stuff these days but I remember E-40 used to sell most of those numbers out of his trunk back in the day.
I'd rather invest in hard rock, nah mean?
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