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Violent J and the Patreon Videos
June 16, 2021
11:48 pm
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Yep, agreed on that Cruella Deville look.

Chevy2Dope said

She's just not in terrible Cruella Deville knock off hairstyle and clowny cheap Cruella facepaint anymore. Which, by the way, I always thought was a terrible look for her and if she were to continue on Psychopathic, I was hoping they'd figure out something better for her given that she certainly isn't ugly. I've compared it to how Blaze at first did the straight up pantyhose on the head thing at first which they quickly moved away from.   

She resembled some of the more needy, unstable Juggalo gals I've met throughout life with that look. Which is a good thing to get gals to relate to the vibe of the character, but also it just sends folks like me careening in the other direction. I know a lot of Juggalo gals, some I'm tight with like a brother... and that whole cutter style is whack as fuck to me. 

But what do I know?

June 16, 2021
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I don't know about everything else, but I know I am DONE paying for these. This month was honestly an accident anyway, as I forgot to cancel my Patreon membership...but it's at a point where they are fully aware of people being upset VJ is either: A. Showing up incredibly late, or B. Not showing up at all, and he has done nothing to rectify the situation. That shit with the porn star...I thought it would be like the old days where he would just fuck around for entertainment's sake and keep things rolling, but I literally wanted to turn off the stream after about 10 minutes of seeing what he was doing. 

I still got mad love and respect for these guys, and I'm not so much dissing Violent J as saying I think they need to just completely keep him off of anything public until he sorts everything out in his life and gets his mind right, because as much I want to support what they're doing and show love, money doesn't come easy, and I can't justify wasting anymore of it to see a man have a mid-life crisis breakdown. He may not be self-aware enough right now to see what's happening, but the rest of them are, and I think they need to make that decision. If they're going to keep stuff going, keep Violent J off. It's just tarnishing their legacy and ruining the one thing they're doing right now to make ends.

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June 17, 2021
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SpaghettiHands87 said
I don't know about everything else, but I know I am DONE paying for these. This month was honestly an accident anyway, as I forgot to cancel my Patreon membership...but it's at a point where they are fully aware of people being upset VJ is either: A. Showing up incredibly late, or B. Not showing up at all, and he has done nothing to rectify the situation. That shit with the porn star...I thought it would be like the old days where he would just fuck around for entertainment's sake and keep things rolling, but I literally wanted to turn off the stream after about 10 minutes of seeing what he was doing. 
I still got mad love and respect for these guys, and I'm not so much dissing Violent J as saying I think they need to just completely keep him off of anything public until he sorts everything out in his life and gets his mind right, because as much I want to support what they're doing and show love, money doesn't come easy, and I can't justify wasting anymore of it to see a man have a mid-life crisis breakdown. He may not be self-aware enough right now to see what's happening, but the rest of them are, and I think they need to make that decision. If they're going to keep stuff going, keep Violent J off. It's just tarnishing their legacy and ruining the one thing they're doing right now to make ends.  

And this is why I haven't watched any of it in-depth. Possibly because that part of me is a coward.. I don't want to see someone I admire deteriorate. Typical story. 

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Old Mr Dangerous said

And this is why I haven't watched any of it in-depth. Possibly because that part of me is a coward.. I don't want to see someone I admire deteriorate. Typical story.   

Yeah, man. It's at a point now where if I see a female come on screen or they bring up anything related to sex and relationships, I just think, "Oh no..."

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June 17, 2021
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I'm worried if they re really gonna make the gathering happen. Imagine if it gets cancelled? I'm sure old CPN would feel stupid for trashing Astronomicon. Hey at least Twiztid delivers and they feel more relevant with the names their working with in their next album. 

 

ICP has just been plagued with uncertainty as of late and J is going through a mid life crisis. You can tell he misses the old days. He lost Sugar Slam, and it sounds like their on rocky terms latley. God for bid Shaggy decides to leave him. He'd be lost. You can tell Shaggy is at his A game. Living a good life with his wife and kids. Enjoying his life. But it seems like Shaggy is trying to keep J together. I spoke with ICP on their digital meet and greet thing.

J got all excited that I said I've been filming and learning video editing and was like "man we need you to shoot a music video for us. Come up to Michigan! Shit would be dope!" Shaggy cut him off and said "we gotta know if he's good first off. He just said he just started learning and shooting"

 

Also anyone notice how J has been apologizing so much? For forgetting lines, no showing, how bad The Grump was. It's sad. I'm hoping Yum Yum Bedlum will boost my hopes but I'm skeptic. 

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June 17, 2021
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thatjuggal91 said
I'm worried if they re really gonna make the gathering happen. Imagine if it gets cancelled? I'm sure old CPN would feel stupid for trashing Astronomicon. Hey at least Twiztid delivers and they feel more relevant with the names their working with in their next album. 

 

ICP has just been plagued with uncertainty as of late and J is going through a mid life crisis. You can tell he misses the old days. He lost Sugar Slam, and it sounds like their on rocky terms latley. God for bid Shaggy decides to leave him. He'd be lost. You can tell Shaggy is at his A game. Living a good life with his wife and kids. Enjoying his life. But it seems like Shaggy is trying to keep J together. I spoke with ICP on their digital meet and greet thing.

J got all excited that I said I've been filming and learning video editing and was like "man we need you to shoot a music video for us. Come up to Michigan! Shit would be dope!" Shaggy cut him off and said "we gotta know if he's good first off. He just said he just started learning and shooting"

 

Also anyone notice how J has been apologizing so much? For forgetting lines, no showing, how bad The Grump was. It's sad. I'm hoping Yum Yum Bedlum will boost my hopes but I'm skeptic.   

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June 17, 2021
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thatjuggal91 said
You can tell Shaggy is at his A game. Living a good life with his wife and kids.

Man, I enjoy Shaggy so much nowadays. In old interviews Shaggy was always the awkward one. Not really speaking much and kinda trying to hide behind this tough guy facade. Nowadays he seems so confident interacting with people and just having fun. Makes me genuinely happy for him.

I skipped through some parts of the Miss Juggalette pageant and J just made me uncomfortable. A middle aged man drooling over 20 year olds, basically kids to him, calling them "hotties". Man. The comparison pics of Sugar Slam and Blahzay are spot on and this porn star he tried to hit on fits that exact same category. Tiny, blonde, and way too young for him. Guess that can happen when you refuse to grow up and insist that reality will bow to the fantasies in your head. No wonder he believes in The Secret.

I did watch all of Shaggy's segment on the Miss Juggalette pageant, however, and it was great. He's become fucking great at just riffing, I was laughing my ass off the entire time. You could tell that he had no interest in these young Juggalettes sexually, he just wanted to have some fun with them and it even made for some pretty wholesome moments. He couldn't even get through the overly sexualized questions without pointing out how boneheaded they were. He became the fun uncle and J the creepy uncle. I hope J can turn that ship around, though.

 

Best part of the porn star interview was this:

J: "I'm throwing her over my shoulder, like a sack of potatoes, going home and cooking her fries up, you know what I mean?"

Shaggy [in an attempt to get off this and keep things moving]: "alright - - "

J: "Mashin' that shit"

Shaggy [to Kaiia]: "are you ready to watch the video?"

Kaiia: "I'm ready"

J: "That's right, I'm mashin' that shit!"

Shaggy: "alright mashed-potato boy, let's watch the video"

Kaiia [losing her shit]: "mashed-potato boylol

June 17, 2021
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It does seem like J is going through something at the moment or maybe he's just been overexposed to us. But I say that because I happen to go down a short rabbit hole while things were slow at work yesterday and saw some more recent ICP interviews just from like 2018 and early 2020. J was way more calm and actually pretty well spoken versus when you see him now in the Patreon streams or if you ever watch when people post his Cameo videos on Youtube and shit. So maybe it's a personal issue of some kind going on that we can only speculate on (med issues, life event of some kind, etc.) that has him off his game while he's still trying to get it together and we can only hope he does get better. 

But yeah, like others are saying, Shaggy seems like he's really got his shit together and has for at least a few years now. What really made me realize that was the last time they were on Stern, which was like in 2018 maybe, Shaggy actually talked a lot more than usual and seemed really happy. Robin asked him about his kids and he pretty much gushed about his life and how he loves being married and he's happy to have done all the crazy shit he has but it's behind him now. Good for him for getting his drinking under control and being a good dude. 

June 17, 2021
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Hope J comes out of the lockdown stronger than when he went in, & hope he knows some ninjas are counting the days until his GOTJ seminar.

YouTube Video My Shine

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June 17, 2021
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I gotta bring up a burning question since Violent J was hitting on a porn star. Plus we're talking onlyfans girls.

 

Who would date a girl with onlyfans? Be honest y'all. Would I smash for the night? Yes I would. Date? Big pass and I couldn't bring myself to simp and try to talk one of those girls out of their lifestyle so I could be with them.

i'd be fine with it, myself. a porn star I don't think I could do, but if my girl was just selling nudes or videos of herself masturbating and shit? I don't give a fuck. Let the virgins and simps pay to watch something I get for free.

June 18, 2021
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Hope J comes out of the lockdown stronger than when he went in, & hope he knows some ninjas are counting the days until his GOTJ seminar.

YouTube Video My Shine  

Always loved this track "My Shine". I still remember when they released this track along with "Bloody Bitch Dead" on their website on Thanksgiving which was just a few weeks after Shangri-La came out. Those were such good times since they were riding high from Shangri-La and then J put those 2 tracks out which honestly have some of his best rapping. But yeah I hope J can get himself together like he was back in these times. 

As far as the discussion about if I'd date a girl that made her income on OnlyFans, I don't think I would. Granted, my wife and I's 10 year anniversary is coming up in 3 months and we dated for 5 years before that, so I'm not sure if I'd feel differently if I wasn't in my situation. More power to all the ladies out there (and dudes) that are able to make money this way to support themselves. If they're comfortable with it then there's no harm, just not something I think I'd be comfortable with in a relationship. 

June 18, 2021
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If J wrote, rapped and performed like he did during that Wraith era, I'd shit myself. I'd literally go to the GOTJ, on stage, and visibly and audibly shit myself for the enjoyment of the crowd. Then I'd wear my shitty clothes as a hat.

 

For real... perhaps J needs to rap under the tutelage of Esham. He seemed to work harder when he was smoking weed and doing music with Esham. Mike E. Clark has to be there. Legs. Rudeboy. Shaggy will be there with a whip to literally whip J into shape. 

For real, once again... it would be FUCKING AMAZING if the Insane Clown Posse came together with the aforementioned crew and laid out a final album.

June 18, 2021
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Old Mr Dangerous said
If J wrote, rapped and performed like he did during that Wraith era, I'd shit myself. I'd literally go to the GOTJ, on stage, and visibly and audibly shit myself for the enjoyment of the crowd. Then I'd wear my shitty clothes as a hat.

 

For real... perhaps J needs to rap under the tutelage of Esham. He seemed to work harder when he was smoking weed and doing music with Esham. Mike E. Clark has to be there. Legs. Rudeboy. Shaggy will be there with a whip to literally whip J into shape. 

For real, once again... it would be FUCKING AMAZING if the Insane Clown Posse came together with the aforementioned crew and laid out a final album.  

I'm not sure about the Esham piece, dude is a psycho but perhaps he's chilled out. And I agree, would absolutely shit myself as well (and wear the shitty clothes and the whole thing) if they did a Mike E Clark produced album with Legs signing hooks and stuff like the old days. I keep saying if they could pull that off for the 6th card on this 2nd deck, that'd be amazing. 

But with J, we don't know him, it's hard to say what is different in his life now than it was then other than the surface shit and age. He does look like he's lost some weight again lately. Whatever dental procedure he had a few years ago that still impacts his vocals is a tangible difference as well as to what we hear, but, that's no biggie. And really, as far as ICP goes musically, it certainly should be a time for Shaggy to step up and be more involved in the Joker Cards. It's always an imbalance except for maybe Shangri-La, but FFF is very very lopsided in that regard and I think it'd help too if Shaggy took almost more of a leadership role. 

June 18, 2021
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A Shaggy:Violent J album ratio of 3:1 would sound fucking weird! It would very likely be dope as hell, but man how strange would that be? Imagine Shaggy singing on most choruses in the place where J usually does it lol.

What if 2 Dope actually had a voice like a scrub angel? Like he was always able to belt out some Jackie Wilson style vocals but J was always silencing him because he was envious.

"Shut up, Joey! You sound like shit, bitch!! Nobody likes the way you sing!"

June 18, 2021
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Silence of the hams and Pppow are J at his best so Esham must have some secret power

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June 18, 2021
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BZA said
Silence of the hams and Pppow are J at his best so Esham must have some secret power  

if I had to guess, it's because J respects and looks up to Esham, so he's motivated to bring out his best to not embarrass himself in front of E.

Just speculation, but it'd make sense. Esham seems to be the one person J really looks up to and gets inspiration from.

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if I had to guess, it's because J respects and looks up to Esham, so he's motivated to bring out his best to not embarrass himself in front of E.

Just speculation, but it'd make sense. Esham seems to be the one person J really looks up to and gets inspiration from.  

Precisely what I'm getting at. Unless Michael Jackson rose from the grave to do an undead production with Joe Bruce, then Esham is probably the one person to inspire the guy to get with it creatively.

Maybe Eddie Vedder, who knows? Prince is dead, too. Get Scarface up in there.

June 19, 2021
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Final card of the 2nd deck: Hell's Pit style album completely produced by Esham followed by a Shangri La style album completely produced by MEC.

It would make so much sense, given the importance of both of them in ICP's career. They really seem to be the only 2 artists that have a free pass with them. They can wild out and fight with them, go completely separate ways and denounce them, but it seems like ICP would always welcome them back with open arms.

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I think someone or something just needs to humble J again. In his mind, he's surpassed his peers and he's surpassed the people he came up, underneath. They won awards that none of his idols/peers have won, they sell more albums/merch than anyone else in their peer group, the people who leave never surpass them and a lot of them often fail, the FBI have targeted them, the mainstream are now calling them legends (shade45, nojumper, steve-o, Kesha). To him, he's above everyone and nothing is pushing him. 

This along with how bitter he is with people leaving psychopathic, his relationships and these people finding their own success is clearly leaving him with a "me against the world" mindset. 

A good boss wants to elevate the people underneath them and make their employees better than them so they can eventually surpass them. This is a way of protecting your future and building bridges that you can always cross, no matter what happens to you in your life. Right now, J could really do with a few bridges to cross, imo, but he's burned so many due to always wanting to keep everyone beneath him and not to push anyone too much, in fear they might surpass him (just look at the history of promotion of pay artists).

He needs to come back down to earth and realise that he is never as good as when he's surrounded by people who push him and challenge him. He also needs to realise that he challenges other and makes them better too, but you can't challenge people when you have that "it's me or them" attitude.

Maybe all this recent bad press and poor reception to the music and his behaviour will wake him up and give him some of that anger and hunger back. Obviously it's not good to be angry but any emotion is better than nothing, when it comes to art.

I know that all sounds really presumptuous but just my opinion after like 20+ years of being on this rollercoaster.

Maybe I'm just looking at it too deeply. Maybe he's just going retarded in his old age. Maybe I'm just a fucking idiot.

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I agree with you, and I also agree with getting mike e clark back for the 6th, and esham if it inspires him. I don't care if there isn't a third deck i just want one more good album

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