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3:20 am
December 3, 2012
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If you can show me an a video of j saying that was him in the chatroom I might believe it. People act like celebrities online all the time. So unless I hear it from twiztids mouth our even j's mouth it is all just speculation.
I could literally pick out lyrics from just about any twiztid song and say it's about anyone. Ever see the number 23? You are looking for facts to suit your theories when you really should be looking for theories to suit the facts. All of this is bullshit and I can say it till im blue in the face. But y'all go ahead and believe what you want
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
3:25 am
March 31, 2012
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the troublemaker said:
twiztid started using the term FAMILY during that era out of nowhere.....the juggalo movement was growing and they were sepereating themselves with the new use of FAMILY, hell they even had an EP "...everyone knew something was up
everyone was lovin "serial killa" cuz tech n9ne was new on the scene and twiztid made a new wicked ass song, but there was one line people thought was another jab
And we finish what we start, that's what separates us apart
From other motherfuckers, not saying no names
But them other motherfuckers (Ain't family)
i always thought it said "strange family" even tho i know they wouldnt diss tech haha
3:27 am
March 31, 2012
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I don't think J wrote "who do you all think Twiztid's song Frankenstine is about?Nobody Fresh: OK, a diss on me put out on my own lable" correctly. Maybe him being drunk at the time fucked up his spelling. The second line being a question to juggalos. Like you think Frankenstine is a diss on me?
Then again Jamie could be doing the resentment & Mono could be showing the love. The song is called Frankenstine go read about the character and tell me do they lyrically fit the concept of the song?
3:29 am
March 31, 2012
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im actually suprised the spelling wasnt worse when hes supposed to have horrible spelling..
3:32 am
U must be a newbie to think that chat was fake....it was the biggest news on all the message boards at the time...it was even on faygoluvers....that was Violent J online droppin knowledge nobody knew about...he was giving song titles to the 6th and we hadnt heard it yet.....
y does it hurt u so much that twiztid dissed J on the greenbook. it happened, they both got over it. but when something is recorded and released, u cant change it. they said wat they said but they worked through it.J wasnt gonna go crazy on twiztid, he was actually hurt more than angry. he didnt wanna see the label fall apart but in that era there was just a lot of drama goin on behind the scenes.
speaking of subliminal disses...i remember at the height of the ICP / Eminem Beef when D12 put out the video for "Fight Music" it used to piss me off 2 see that video cuz he had people in the video lookin like icp, twiztid and three six mafia. that was a subliminal shot too lol
3:38 am
March 31, 2012
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Really the Fight Music music video had a subliminal diss to Icp, Twiztid & Three Six Mafia. I always thought it was a spin Warriors... My how the troll thinks.
3:46 am
the drama was between Madrox and J.....Shaggs and Mono always tried 2 be neutral,
It was usually madrox's verses or lines that were aimed at ICP and mono would just go on a whole other thing.
J wanted to get back together and start the 2nd lotus cd which later became black rain, but when J was asked at the gathering he said Madrox didnt wanna do it. and in that chat J explained that madrox said maybe in 6 months or a year.
im not seeing wat i wanna see, if u were around at the time thats wat was going on lol. wats up with these new fans? twiztid was pist off in this era, they dropped subliminals on people left and right. madrox dissed kmk who were friends with J and Shaggs before J even met House of Krazees. saint dog slept on shaggys couch in detroit and they went 2 karaoke bars together and got drunk lol. Violent J and daddy x were old friends from the milenko days, and daddy x became a boss when subnoize blew up. violent J didnt wanna put out a direct diss towards them cuz kmk and icp were back 2 being friends after the whole kmk and d12 tour. madrox dissed kmk which would mess with personal friends and their fan base, mono didnt go after kmk at all, he kept it cool and went after bubba sparx who had no affiliation and was a target no one would care for.
cartoon nitemares had an esham subliminal diss, "local rappers in my city they wanna talk smack, but they be so wack they aint worth 2 diss back (twirk yo' body!!)"
3:49 am
yes the d12 video is based of the movie warriors but the guys chasin them around or watever look like icp and twiztid with face paint and braided hair and the black guys lookin like 36 mafia in the sippin on some sizzurp video. that song was a big 36 mafia song and juicy j rocked a jeckyl bros beanie in the video. Eminem was on a mission to discredit icp and twiztid and become the king of detroit. he never gave esham props and made all us juggalos look like were crazy when we say he was influenced. when Em got sober he finally admited to a detroit newspaper in an interview for bad meets evil that he used to listen to esham. it took like 10 years to admit lol
3:50 am
December 3, 2012
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It doesn't hurt at all. I could give a fuck less about personal beefs.It's the principle. You are just making assumptions on something you know nothing about. PERIOD. There is no arguing that only paul and jamie would know if that song was a dis. It can't even be construed as one though in the slightest. What exact words are directed toward violent j in that song? On whos authority are you deriving your information? Lets say that is violent j in that chat room(which im not convinced it is). Did violent j write that song? did you hear twiztid say "yeah that song is about j"? NO
You are making an argument where there isn't one. I'm done though.
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
3:51 am
January 11, 2013
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That chat log is legit. He was going on AIM chats for a good while there. Crazy 10 years later it's still relevant. Like it could have just happened. But they're way more hush hush now being concerned with public image and all. But yeah it was huge back then. Tensions flying high with everyone. So much drama. It was absolutely crazy.. Then January 1st 2004 every Psychopathic related website put up an image of Dark Lotus and I just got a rush of energy typing that shit lol. It was gonna be awesome. Twiztid were now dons of Psychopathic. WOW! They were gonna start making decisions on the label. Twiztid has finally made it and are now equal with ICP! ICP and Twiztid were back to being bff's!! Everything was gonna change!!!.... 
*sigh*
3:58 am
March 31, 2012
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I seen the movie I remember one clip at the intro when the gangs are together there's a couple of black people dressed as pimps. The women at the start must be dissing destinys child & tlc... right? Who else the baseball players must be dissing the detroit lions? The gothic looking people at the end must be juggalos because they look like them to you. And clearly you missed the sarcam in my comment.
Here's the video he mentioned. For those of you.
4:01 am
thank you, at least somebody else knows wat the hell im talkin about
those chats with violent J were epic. they were the real deal. the day that shit hit the net, people were so fuckin confused cuz we didnt want ICP and twiztid to beef. the psychopathic label figured out that it was tom dub creating drama and keeping them at odds. they fired his ass and the beef seemed to heal itself.
of course i wouldnt just fuckin assume its violent J unless it was verified. it was the real thing, and it was fucking shocking when it happened. we never had insight 2 the label like that.
J was callin Mike P an ego maniac lol and that mike p turned into "prince"....cant blame mike P, he did tales from the lotus, shagri la, one less g in the hood and those are still bangin 10 years later
J was pist at mike clark 4 selling the door to the funhouse studio with Shaggys hand drawings on it
he was pist at blaze 4 a fake retirement and rapping under a new name colton grundy
it was a weird time but the drama was everywhere and mirror mirror was the first time people saw some possible tension with twiztid and icp. and it rolled over thru the green book recordings and it got all worked out
4:06 am
twiztid werent dons during that era. and they kept their mouth shut during the tales from the lotus pod recording sessions. but once marz was kicked out, twiztid let it be known that they did not like that marz was added into their supergroup when he had no past with the label or the artists and J just put him in the group and they had to just go with it. it didnt affect the music, twiztid went hard on lotus and u couldnt tell they were not comfortable with marz in the group, but even the fans were confused when the dark lotus promo pic came online and there was bald thugged out mexican in the flyer....twiztid didnt like marz getting a spot in lotus and they said they didnt like his style or lyrics. they said his lyrics were just gross or weird lol. some shit like that
4:20 am
March 31, 2012
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I've said this one time more then needed. Where is Tom Dub? Nowhere because his snake tongue was starting shit between Twiztid and the Clowns. Him getting booted relaxed that shit. Marz was booted from Dark Lotus because he didn't tell the label he was signed to at the time that he was working on Dark Lotus. The issue between Marz & J was dropped because Marz figured out he was in the wrong. When Marz went pretty much independent Twiztid got at him to tour with them in '03. AA didn't like that and said no. All that tension was caused by other people.
4:58 am
January 11, 2013
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Another thing I just remembered was Esham was made a don immediately when he signed on the label. Meanwhile Twiztid weren't.
12:09 pm
March 31, 2012
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the troublemaker said:
he never gave esham props and made all us juggalos look like were crazy when we say he was influenced. when Em got sober he finally admited to a detroit newspaper in an interview for bad meets evil that he used to listen to esham. it took like 10 years to admit lol
he mentioned esham & acid rap on the slim shady & mather Lp's as well as the "fuck icp buy my cd" song.. all of which were giving props.. iwhen he dissed him & haley on tonues is when he was like fuck esham & stopped givin him props..
11:39 pm
eminem's grammy speech always pist me off..."i wanna thank rakim and run dmc"....ya...right.....like eminem was sittin there learnin from rakim and LL cool J records
he's from detroit, a very small hip hop community that is known 4 their shock value rap and gimmicks.....we know he was influenced by esham and other acid rap from the area. im not sayin thats all he listened to, but that style obviously spoke 2 him and he mastered it.
i remember when Monoxide told the story of being in Kinko's and Marshall walked up to him during the HOK era and marshall was giving monoxide alot of props for HOK and was telling mono how much he loved "murder murder murder".....thats a dope ass story and i just wish he could just admit in a way that hes part of that style in a way. its obvious why he loved "murder murder murder", monoxide went at his baby mamma, killed her on the song and got his daughter back lol, eminem's slim shady EP is riddled with songs using that subject, it touched him in a very creative way. it sucks that twiztid and ICP were beefin with marshall cuz marshall probably would have worked with twiztid, i remember radio interviews marshall was goin hard at ICP sayin they are "gimmick rappers" and "not real"...and when they asked him about twiztid, he and paused....and in a real relaxed voice said "i dont know about those guys" lol. i know marshall said hes a cross between manson esham and ozzy, then said spaced out like syfy tv, fuck icp buy my cd and theres more. it would be cool for him 2 just say he does that shit, cuz its like one of us made it, hes a legend in rap and super respected its weird to see shit like odd future and hopsin doin the same style too, i remember when it was very taboo to be shock value and wicked. people act like wat hopsin and oddfuture do is something brand new. it pisses me off
11:43 pm
even violent J said during 2003 or 2004 when eminem had "cleaning out my closet" as a single, the video was on mtv all the time and on the radio and J said eminem may be pop music becuz hes popular but its still acid rap and J said he liked the song and liked seeing it out there for the masses. too bad ICP aint spittin fire like they used to cuz maybe we could see a collab. but thats like wanting 2 see stone cold vs goldberg...keep dreamin or watch terrible youtube remixes with them together
11:54 pm
March 31, 2012
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Mike C said:
i remember when Monoxide told the story of being in Kinko's and Marshall walked up to him during the HOK era and marshall was giving monoxide alot of props for HOK and was telling mono how much he loved "murder murder murder".....thats a dope ass story
thats not how the story went... he heard that song after they started hangin out.. it wasnt even released until mostasteless & mono accused him of biting/stealing that song..
12:40 am
January 11, 2013
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Speaking of Em. One of the Twiztid seminars, I think the year ABK left because they were ice cold talking about him during the seminar, they said they tried to get Em signed when they were first signed to Psychopathic but J wasn't having it or something. Unfortunately with all these Detroit rappers we never know the real story. Like Esham saying 2Pac was going to sign to Reel Life. They like to inflate and exaggerate their stories or flat out lie and deny and downplay. We'll never know. It's crazy how Detroit blew up in the 90's like that though. Esham with RLP. Then J learned from him and overtook them with Psychopathic and were the first to blow up. Twiztid were the first sidekicks to hit it big and then later D12. Then Em learned from both of them and surpassed them both to became the biggest rapper ever. Meanwhile Kid Rock was in and out all the while and also blew the fuck up. It just kept getting bigger and bigger. All within a decade. So much resentment and bitterness with every Detroit rapper back then. It's easy to say I wish they all got along for all the potential collabos and shows they could have done back in their primes. Woulda been dope. But if it wasn't for that high competition and them leap frogging each other, they probably wouldn't have been as good as they were either. The fan bases all hated each other too lol. Now a days it just wouldn't mean much because a lot of them are played out and fell off and have gone their own ways. Maybe a Detroit super show would be cool but their egos are still big enough where even that hasn't happened even though it's been talked about. Guess we'll have to keep waiting until one day when they're all really old and stale and hopefully not dead they can put it all aside and make it happen. It would bring closure to the whole thing.
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