Ins: "Legz Diamond plays guitar on all their shit from Riddlebox on"

Then how come I was reading an interview just the other week that said MEC did the guitar in Piggy Pie not Steve Jones? Answer: You are incorrect!

Hells Pit is the bomb.

Side note, it's usually assumed the next ICP cd will be "the next 'jokers' card" but hold up... I want some in between albums in this "second hand" a la Bizzar, Bizarre, Tempest, etc.. I know the pace of albums/tours is a lot slower these days, but still...

I want a side album next! Put the next DC face on hold till '15 or.... whatever.

Zero said

InS said
As far as my opinion on this whole topic.  MEC isn't the problem.  BPB and MDP were made with the sound that J wants now.  If J didn't want it he'd tell Mike to redo it.  Remember, the producer works for the artist, not the other way around.  Personally, while it is a different sound than their older CD's I have no problem with it and enjoy both albums more than some of their late 90's, early 2000's shit.  Early to mid-nineties were obviously better but what they've done lately has been much more enjoyable to me than AJB, Bizzar's and Hell's Pit (easily the worst CD they've made IMO).

Weird, Hell's Pit is my favorite cd Psychopathic has ever released.

To me, the wicked on that CD felt forced.  It didn't come off as authentic wicked shit the way it did on Ringmaster or Riddlebox or Milenko.

My wish list:

-MEC and Mike P collab.

-More consistent sound throughout the album. Maybe some type of theme to keep it on track and more cohesive. Last two cards have been all over the place. Like the story of the cards were tacked on at the end instead of the music being built around them.

-Hoping J would motivate himself to lose the weight again so he could have a better flow. Now it sounds like he holds his breath just to spit out words. I find myself feeling bad for him when I listen to him now.

NobodyFresh said
Mike P. is horrible, Psychopathic got sued because of him, 90% of his beats are stolen

 

 

 

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Fritz produced those stolen beats off of Hell's Pit and the lotus albums, not mike p

Damn all those jacked sounds almost make it into a concept album. Like how "Hatchet Warrior" had "The Warriors" snippets all through it and the actual last song from the movies end credits. Still love Hells Pit.

I agree, it is very subjective. My stance in this is largely centered around having been in the Horrorcore scene (that is to say, the forums.horrocore.com scene) and listening to ex-juggalos (current juggalos who pretend to be ex-juggalos) talk about how natas, or bedlam, or something else is "real wicked shit" and psychopathic isn't, and what I got out of it really is that the standard of "wicked" depends mostly on exposure to offensive material. If you're only ever aware of pop music, psychopathic is going to be extremely fucked up and offensive to you. If you've been a Juggalo for years, you might hear new shit that's just as offensive as the old shit and find it less "wicked"/offensive because you're so used to it, and begin to think that the only truly "wicked" music is shit like ABDUCT.MURDER.KILL.RAPE. and and KILL GOD'S PEOPLE and shit like that, but honestly I think the idea of taking it that seriously is even cornier than clown-based wickedness. So I what I was saying was more along the lines of, they're as wicked as they ever are, and haven't gotten any less or more wicked. 

Like I said, for example, I think listening to Fonz Pond alone in the woods at night would be somewhat terrifying, probably more terrifying than Mental Warp, and about equal to Amy's In The Attic.

For one person to experience a song as "wicked" I think really just depends on what they're looking for and what exposure they have to material that is generally deemed offensive. One could be "used to" wicked shit with out growing numb to it and still find it as wicked as they did when it was new, or they could begin to find it banal and start looking for more intense shit. Depends on the individual. 

piggofdoom said

Stalkz said
I agree, it is very subjective. My stance in this is largely centered around having been in the Horrorcore scene (that is to say, the forums.horrocore.com scene) and listening to ex-juggalos (current juggalos who pretend to be ex-juggalos) talk about how natas, or bedlam, or something else is "real wicked shit" and psychopathic isn't, and what I got out of it really is that the standard of "wicked" depends mostly on exposure to offensive material. If you're only ever aware of pop music, psychopathic is going to be extremely fucked up and offensive to you. If you've been a Juggalo for years, you might hear new shit that's just as offensive as the old shit and find it less "wicked"/offensive because you're so used to it, and begin to think that the only truly "wicked" music is shit like ABDUCT.MURDER.KILL.RAPE. and and KILL GOD'S PEOPLE and shit like that, but honestly I think the idea of taking it that seriously is even cornier than clown-based wickedness. So I what I was saying was more along the lines of, they're as wicked as they ever are, and haven't gotten any less or more wicked. 
Like I said, for example, I think listening to Fonz Pond alone in the woods at night would be somewhat terrifying, probably more terrifying than Mental Warp, and about equal to Amy's In The Attic.
For one person to experience a song as "wicked" I think really just depends on what they're looking for and what exposure they have to material that is generally deemed offensive. One could be "used to" wicked shit with out growing numb to it and still find it as wicked as they did when it was new, or they could begin to find it banal and start looking for more intense shit. Depends on the individual. 

I forgot about Mental Warp! I fucking love that song. But under that guise, Old OF could be "Real Wicked Shit"

A lot of Odd Future is rather "wicked". I'm pretty sure they're generally considered rather horrorcore to those who aren't already into horrorcore. At least, I know of a lot of people who think of them as horrorcore (or horrorcore related).

The definition of horrorcore is very vague, especially when you consider the existence of Acid Rap, which is the same thing although some people say it's blacker, and some say it's more gangsta, and some say it's just for RLP. Further, "Wicked Shit" is even less vague, and can refer to anyone from House of Krazees to Black Sabbath to Cannibal Corpse or even Dark/Hard Psy-Trance

and Mental Warp has always been one of my #1 favs <3

NobodyFresh said
Mike P. is horrible, Psychopathic got sued because of him, 90% of his beats are stolen

Exclusive: Insane Clown Posse Sued For $2 Million Over Halloween Samples

article: http://allhiphop.com/2011/11/0.....d-samples/

Besides older production from Mike E, Mike P on Shangri-La was the last best thing to happen to ICP's instrumentals IMO. Everything since Mike Clark came back has been half assed and seems like he took advantage of the fans clamoring for his return, got locked into contract and was like "the fuck you gonna do now mwuhahahaha give me a fucking lab coat!" If we're trashing the producers for the lack of sample clearing by Psychopathic's attorneys, better toss Mike E and Kuma up there too. Kuma is the other half of the halfed ass equation if you ask me, I find better shit on 14 year old wannabe trap stars soundclick pages than what they allow him to release as remixes and such. Their lyrics haven't changed much at all, and the "sound" most Juggalos wish ICP would return to I always thought of sonically, that's what I've wanted anyways. That's whats always kept me entertained by the first six after so long, their outrageously awesome Hip Hop beats. Can't say the same for BPB and TMDP (aside from their almost note for note rip of Hot Chocolate - Every1's A Winner) and it's not because of the content or vocal infliction, it's those horrible instrumentals! Guess all I'm saying is if that's what these guys gotta do to make them everlasting respectively, then fuck it. It's either they finally give a nice fuck off to these dudes literally ruining their albums from the inside out and work with real producers, smack Mike E and Kuma back to their senses, or continue to try to deliver to the Juggalos what they want through their lyrics while the quality of the music itself continues to deteriorate.