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the missing link vs. the darkness
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July 27, 2015
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Carnivalkilla44 said 
All you fuckers with your juggalo gatheringing, downloadings, and youtubings. Is anyone waiting for Friday like me to listen to Found?   

and beyond. 

didnt buy it there, so aside from walkin by ninjas bumpin it in their cars n shit, dunno when ill be hearin found. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

July 27, 2015
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Some guy said that on youtube before, I guess he's got the point for me as well - the difference between ICP and Twiztid in general is that I can feel ICP's lyrics, but most of Twiztid's lyrics don't stick, they're passing by too fast without really feeling them. So to me ICP wins almost every time (beside the fact that I do like Twiztid's music).

I'm not totally sure what the reason is. All of them are good rappers and I guess I'd agree, if somebody said Madrox is the most talented one. I love his voice (and do think that the difference between mono and madrox is fucking HUGE, much more than between J and shaggy), in many Lotus tracks he's my favorite. But within Twiztid it often feels like they don't have a clear concept for some songs, to me it often sounds kinda random. Maybe it's because I'm not that into the fast rapping - even if there are good lyrics in it and it's sounding nice, I can't really feel them. ICP instead finds ways their rap gets to the heart. Of course not with every track, but more often than not. Twiztid is able to do that, too, but not as often and not as good overall as ICP does it to me.

And that's the thing with The Darkness and TMML. I really enjoyed Back To Hell, Down Here, On and On and a few other songs, but there is no song on it I'm appreciating like Falling Apart, Apocalypse, Vomit, Confederate Flag or even I'll Keep My Hatchet (cause of the outstanding chorus). To name a few. Found is too new to evaluate yet, but I like the concept (imo TMML:L&F has to be looked at as a whole) and really enjoyed the first listens. I guess I can already tell Im gonna be able to add several tracks off of Found (Lost At The Carnival, The Midway) to the list as well.
-> I like TMML better.

Nonetheless I'm diggin The Darkness and nonetheless there are things I'm arguing about on TMML, especially Lost sounds kinda rushed to me, too. But still a good record and to me the best Joker's Card of the new deck, that I'm starting to really enjoy.

See, I feel the exact opposite. I always felt Twiztid's lyrics were much more real and down to earth to me and that they properly spoke from the perception of the fans. Like with Heard Enough how they touched on the unfair treatment of juggalos and the media demonizing them. ICP has been way to wacky and out there for me to relate to other than Falling Apart. Falling Apart is the only song from that album that I listen to on the regular. I like it just as much as my favorite song from The Darkness which is Down Here. I have yet to hear Found and I am surprised to hear that people like it more than Lost. Gives me hope.

July 27, 2015
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All the anti-racist and redneck bashing ICP does on Lost makes them seem like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on wax. They aren't even black so what the fuck do they know about discrimination? They were successful early on in life off the wallets of rich white kids. They only go on and on about racism because they are over compensating for their lack of street cred.. being white kids from the suburbs themselves. 

I couldn't disagree more with this. Their anti-racism/anti-discrimination songs are what got me into ICP. Well, the humor of songs like Bugz On My Nutz, is what made me first start listening and then I heard the deeper messages against racism and so forth. I grew up in small town Ohio back in the late 80s and early 90s. Before ICP I was bumping gangsta rap shit while everyone else was listening to alternative rock shit. I didn't try to dress black or act black but I still got called wigger for my taste in music. In addition to that back then everyone around here were closet racists, acting all PC until they thought they were in safe company then they'd start letting the n-bomb fly. For the longest time, until I discovered ICP and other juggalos I wondered if I was the only white person that truly hated hearing all the racist shit, that truly hated the rebel flag that so many kids I knew had hanging on their bedroom walls. And this was in Ohio, I could only imagine what it was like down south so when I heard ICP's anti-racism message I realized I wasn't alone in feeling this way. That's why Lost was one of my favorite ICP albums in a long, long time, because it had so much of that (although now I'm loving Found just as much).

Anyway, I think that is the main difference between ICP and Twiztid and why Twiztid will never top ICP in my opinion. ICP's music is more about societal issues and what can be done about them where as Twiztid's music is more on a personal level and doesn't have the broad impact of ICP. Others may prefer the personal level and to each their own but despite their similarities ICP and Twiztid are very, very different groups and hard to compare because of it.

July 27, 2015
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I just hate when twiztid does those creepy voices sounding like some creature rapping ..it comes off as being corny

I like the songs where they use their real voices

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scruffy said

Carnivalkilla44 said 
All you fuckers with your juggalo gatheringing, downloadings, and youtubings. Is anyone waiting for Friday like me to listen to Found?   

and beyond. 

didnt buy it there, so aside from walkin by ninjas bumpin it in their cars n shit, dunno when ill be hearin found. 

@scruffy - you seriously haven't listened to found yet? damn I wish I had that kind of patients! I had to hear it as soon as I possibly could. still I preordered it, but they pushed the release date to the 31st now

July 28, 2015
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People disagreed with out bickering, something is wrong here.

July 28, 2015
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King Lucem Ferre said

pondo said
Some guy said that on youtube before, I guess he's got the point for me as well - the difference between ICP and Twiztid in general is that I can feel ICP's lyrics, but most of Twiztid's lyrics don't stick, they're passing by too fast without really feeling them. So to me ICP wins almost every time (beside the fact that I do like Twiztid's music).

I'm not totally sure what the reason is. All of them are good rappers and I guess I'd agree, if somebody said Madrox is the most talented one. I love his voice (and do think that the difference between mono and madrox is fucking HUGE, much more than between J and shaggy), in many Lotus tracks he's my favorite. But within Twiztid it often feels like they don't have a clear concept for some songs, to me it often sounds kinda random. Maybe it's because I'm not that into the fast rapping - even if there are good lyrics in it and it's sounding nice, I can't really feel them. ICP instead finds ways their rap gets to the heart. Of course not with every track, but more often than not. Twiztid is able to do that, too, but not as often and not as good overall as ICP does it to me.

And that's the thing with The Darkness and TMML. I really enjoyed Back To Hell, Down Here, On and On and a few other songs, but there is no song on it I'm appreciating like Falling Apart, Apocalypse, Vomit, Confederate Flag or even I'll Keep My Hatchet (cause of the outstanding chorus). To name a few. Found is too new to evaluate yet, but I like the concept (imo TMML:L&F has to be looked at as a whole) and really enjoyed the first listens. I guess I can already tell Im gonna be able to add several tracks off of Found (Lost At The Carnival, The Midway) to the list as well.
-> I like TMML better.

Nonetheless I'm diggin The Darkness and nonetheless there are things I'm arguing about on TMML, especially Lost sounds kinda rushed to me, too. But still a good record and to me the best Joker's Card of the new deck, that I'm starting to really enjoy.

See, I feel the exact opposite. I always felt Twiztid's lyrics were much more real and down to earth to me and that they properly spoke from the perception of the fans. Like with Heard Enough how they touched on the unfair treatment of juggalos and the media demonizing them. ICP has been way to wacky and out there for me to relate to other than Falling Apart. Falling Apart is the only song from that album that I listen to on the regular. I like it just as much as my favorite song from The Darkness which is Down Here. I have yet to hear Found and I am surprised to hear that people like it more than Lost. Gives me hope.

 

Guess we just have different expectations for the songs then. I can understand if someone prefers the personal level one can relate to. But to me, ah, hard to explain (in english for me, sorry for a possible misunderstanding). It's not that I don't like music on a personal level, sure I do. But it feels like it's often kinda limited. Heard Enough is a good example, I really like the song, the lyrics, the music. It was way more than half a year on my mp3player. But it's very hard for a song on this personal level to be one of my favorites and it won't be possible for Heard Enough, because it sticks to the direct relation to exact that what the song is telling you.

Generally I like songs on an abstract level better. Take Toxic Love for example. I love this song, lyrically and musically, and there are so many interpretations possible. You can take the story itself, you can see it as the lifestory of a rejected stranger who's desperately searching for something good and falling in love with a toxic person, you can see it as a reminder of the fun you can have with something harmful, and so forth. (Plus even after the 200th listen I cant help but laugh when J whispers "... I still like you ..." at the end)
And that's what I'm kinda expecting from ICP, to do something cool on an abstract level I can put my emotions in and have an additional benefit when I'm listening to. That's something ICP is good at in my opinion. As I said above Twiztid is able to do that as well, but - in my opinion - not as good overall as ICP. I just like the morbid-tale-thing. To be honest, I just like tales at all.

And don't get me wrong, I think Heartbroken & Homicidal is an awesome record, as well as Abominationz, I love these tho albums. But it's not ICP. And, to be said, I think that's a good thing, I think they complement each other somehow. One of the reasons I was so sad when Twiztid left in 2012. So, in the end, it's probably not really necessary to compare them, maybe not even really possible.

August 2, 2015
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I prefer ICP over Twiztid so The Missing Link to me was better. But I liked The Darkness

August 2, 2015
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Found set a new precedent for me. It was the first ICP album where I hated every song....every...single...one. I hate bashin' the boys but this shit was straight trash.

Lost was a little better but neither compare to The Darkness.

August 2, 2015
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Slumerican502 said
Found set a new precedent for me. It was the first ICP album where I hated every song....every...single...one. I hate bashin' the boys but this shit was straight trash.

Lost was a little better but neither compare to The Darkness.

All hype for the album on my part has died. I have yet to hear it. If I buy it, and I hate it, I'm going to give both albums to my good friend Drew.

 

Btw there are 6660 topics in this forum right now. That's 10X the evil!

August 2, 2015
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Its worth a listen I reckon. It's an album full of Juggalo Islands, Miracles, and Ghetto Rainbows. I get it. If thats your thing youll love it.

August 2, 2015
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Slumerican502 said
Found set a new precedent for me. It was the first ICP album where I hated every song....every...single...one. I hate bashin' the boys but this shit was straight trash.

Lost was a little better but neither compare to The Darkness.

Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. Get clowned, lost at the carnival, the midway? None of em? Those sound like classic milenko era sounding songs to me. 

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Slumerican502 said
Its worth a listen I reckon. It's an album full of Juggalo Islands, Miracles, and Ghetto Rainbows. I get it. If thats your thing youll love it.

Yeah, no. None of those got shit on Nothing's Left, Pass Me By, or Crossing Thy Bridge.

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I desperately like lost the most. Found is a solid second. Darkness doesn't even make the list tbh. I don't think about it. I download every twiztid album, listen three times and decide if there's a song I want to keep. 

I don't remember the name of a single song off the darkness. It didn't resonate at all. 

 

August 2, 2015
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I'd agree that The Darkness doesn't resonate with me either aside from a few tracks. Maybe I just don't NEED music like I used to anymore. I haven't been listening to either bands here lately.

August 2, 2015
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InSainn said

Slumerican502 said
Found set a new precedent for me. It was the first ICP album where I hated every song....every...single...one. I hate bashin' the boys but this shit was straight trash.

Lost was a little better but neither compare to The Darkness.

Wow, I don't even know what to say to that. Get clowned, lost at the carnival, the midway? None of em? Those sound like classic milenko era sounding songs to me. 

I can't help it man. I want to like it. I really do. The Dreams Of Grandeur track gave me a chuckle. I think it's as much the performance as it is the content. Seems really phoned in and monotonous to me 

August 2, 2015
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I really really enjoy Found. Its happy, but not lame-happy.lol

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King Lucem Ferre said

Yeah, no. None of those got shit on Nothing's Left

^Just cause I feel like mentioning, my favorite ending track on any ICP record to date.

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I love the darkness buuuuut...... The marvelous missing link lost and found to me is a work of art, while the darkness is just a cd....

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