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5:02 pm
December 20, 2018
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With all the “waaaaaah Twiztid is selling out sentiment” going around lately, I got to thinking about my own 22 years of following ICP. I honestly do not think there has been a band who has more blatantly tried to get mainstream acceptance and sell as many records as possible as ICP, all the while claiming to hate the mainstream and not care about record sales.
Lets not forget these instances of ICP disregarding the integrity of their art and own words to get mainstream exposure and more record sales:
– “I say what I want, whenever I feel, fuck your big contract record deal” – In order to have their album The Great Milenko released on major label Hollywood records, ICP cut The Neden Game, Under the Moon, and Boogie Woogie from the album. They also completely altered the lyrics to Piggie Pie to appease their major label masters.
– “Fuck Palooza, big festivals, we never sell out with you bitch ass hoes” – ICP played Woodstock 99, which was the biggest and most mainstream music festival of the 90s.
– “Finally, the two dim witted idiots decided to stay with the wicked shit for life” taken from the song Radio Stars, which mocks bands trying to change their sound for radio and video play – on the same album ICP releases Lets Go All the Way, a straight up rock song accompanied by a big budget video. ICP also encouraged Juggalos to vote for the video on MTV TRL. This was called Lienda on January 12th 2001, where Violent J asked that all juggalos make request to MTV to play Lets Go All the Way.
– “And they wanted to know if I would trade ten Juggalos for a hundred main-stream fans. And I said, ‘I wouldn’t trade ten Juggalos for a hundred thousand main-stream fans.’ Ten Juggalos is priceless to me.” – In 2001 ICP’s simultaneously released albums Bizaar and Bizzar were not selling as well as Violent J would like. So he literally asked juggalos to buy both albums and give them to non-juggalos. This is a direct quote from Violent J:
“On the Juggalo day of January 12th, “Ray Day”, your mission is to give to somebody what you have been lucky enough to find… The Dark Carnival. You must cast the magic. The mission is to buy Bizzar and Bizaar and then pass it along on to somebody that you care enough about to share them with. Cast the very spell that was cast on to you.
Listen, by spending money to buy Bizzar and Bizaar just to give them away, not only are you helping the 3 charities, but your helping out the entire fuckin’ cause of the Dark Carnival!”
I sincerely do not think there is a better example of a band selling out their integrity, changing their sound, asking too much of their fans, folding to record labels, blatent hypocrisy, and using any other tactic necessary to gain mainstream success than ICP. The fact that they continue to pretend that they are this counter culture, and their fans still eating it up, is mind boggling. Its not that I fault them for wanting to make a ton of money. Its that they pretend they don’t care about money/record sales/mainstream acceptance while blatantly trying to achieve those things. ICP fans that are calling Twiztid sellouts for releasing a rock song (which they have done since 2003’s Darkness on their The Green Book album) is comically ridiculous.
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King Lucem Ferre, SPOOKYtheFUNGI5:26 pm
May 4, 2014
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You forgot to mention when ICP played a homeless shelter on Juggalo Day.
YouTube Video Juggalo Day – ICP rocks a homeless shelter 2/17/12
At the GOTJ gate I’ve seen Jumpsteady field a tweaking lost soul trying to get their car in without a ticket. Other festival$ would have bounced this motherfucker immediately, while Jump patiently moved them to the side for (I’m guessing Scrub Care) evaluation. The Carnival is what u make it; I’ve handed out water to carnies with necrotic/missing fingers, so maybe if u Gather this August u can learn something other than how to copy/paste a wall of text. Ur game, ur rules.
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5:29 pm
May 25, 2016
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BDM said
With all the “waaaaaah Twiztid is selling out sentiment” going around lately, I got to thinking about my own 22 years of following ICP. I honestly do not think there has been a band who has more blatantly tried to get mainstream acceptance and sell as many records as possible as ICP, all the while claiming to hate the mainstream and not care about record sales.Lets not forget these instances of ICP disregarding the integrity of their art and own words to get mainstream exposure and more record sales:
– “I say what I want, whenever I feel, fuck your big contract record deal” – In order to have their album The Great Milenko released on major label Hollywood records, ICP cut The Neden Game, Under the Moon, and Boogie Woogie from the album. They also completely altered the lyrics to Piggie Pie to appease their major label masters.
– “Fuck Palooza, big festivals, we never sell out with you bitch ass hoes” – ICP played Woodstock 99, which was the biggest and most mainstream music festival of the 90s.
– “Finally, the two dim witted idiots decided to stay with the wicked shit for life” taken from the song Radio Stars, which mocks bands trying to change their sound for radio and video play – on the same album ICP releases Lets Go All the Way, a straight up rock song accompanied by a big budget video. ICP also encouraged Juggalos to vote for the video on MTV TRL. This was called Lienda on January 12th 2001, where Violent J asked that all juggalos make request to MTV to play Lets Go All the Way.
– “And they wanted to know if I would trade ten Juggalos for a hundred main-stream fans. And I said, ‘I wouldn’t trade ten Juggalos for a hundred thousand main-stream fans.’ Ten Juggalos is priceless to me.” – In 2001 ICP’s simultaneously released albums Bizaar and Bizzar were not selling as well as Violent J would like. So he literally asked juggalos to buy both albums and give them to non-juggalos. This is a direct quote from Violent J:
“On the Juggalo day of January 12th, “Ray Day”, your mission is to give to somebody what you have been lucky enough to find… The Dark Carnival. You must cast the magic. The mission is to buy Bizzar and Bizaar and then pass it along on to somebody that you care enough about to share them with. Cast the very spell that was cast on to you.
Listen, by spending money to buy Bizzar and Bizaar just to give them away, not only are you helping the 3 charities, but your helping out the entire fuckin’ cause of the Dark Carnival!”
I sincerely do not think there is a better example of a band selling out their integrity, changing their sound, asking too much of their fans, folding to record labels, blatent hypocrisy, and using any other tactic necessary to gain mainstream success than ICP. The fact that they continue to pretend that they are this counter culture, and their fans still eating it up, is mind boggling. Its not that I fault them for wanting to make a ton of money. Its that they pretend they don’t care about money/record sales/mainstream acceptance while blatantly trying to achieve those things. ICP fans that are calling Twiztid sellouts for releasing a rock song (which they have done since 2003’s Darkness on their The Green Book album) is comically ridiculous.
Monoxide, is that you?
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wicket_juan, SPOOKYtheFUNGI, Chuckieboy5:31 pm
December 20, 2018
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I apologize, but I do not understand with Jumpsteady being nice to somebody on drugs has to do with ICP continuously trying anything they could to get mainstream acceptance, while blatantly lying about it and their fans buying right into the delusion.
5:35 pm
December 20, 2018
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Money Bags Gram said
Monoxide, is that you?
Haha nope. But even if I was Monoxide, would that negate ICP’s continuous unsuccessful attempts to sell out in anyway possible?
5:48 pm
September 18, 2012
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BDM said
I apologize, but I do not understand with Jumpsteady being nice to somebody on drugs has to do with ICP continuously trying anything they could to get mainstream acceptance, while blatantly lying about it and their fans buying right into the delusion.
Literally nothing but that could be sanctioned into another rant where people tend to think that ICP are the only artists to ever do charity which is far from the truth. It’s actually very uncommon to find artists with that kind of success that don’t contribute to some kind of charity in some way. Most artists just aren’t as braggadocios about it. Well, until Drake stole X’s idea and made that music video where he was handing money out to people. There’s a long list of artists that have done more, as well as a long list of artists that will hook their fans up, or just people in general.
It’s part of the marketing scheme. Makes people feel special about being a juggalo.
5:52 pm
September 18, 2012
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Money Bags Gram said
Monoxide, is that you?
Twiztid aren’t much different, if you want to be honest. I think he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of hating Twiztid for succeeding at doing something that both ICP and Twiztid have been doing their whole careers. That’s creating a radio or a pop hit. Might be a bit premature to call Magic Spellz a hit though.
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5:58 pm
August 10, 2017
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Money Bags Gram said
Monoxide, is that you?
Nope, its Vinyl Lover
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6:03 pm
December 20, 2018
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King Lucem Ferre said
Twiztid aren’t much different, if you want to be honest. I think he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of hating Twiztid for succeeding at doing something that both ICP and Twiztid have been doing their whole careers. That’s creating a radio or a pop hit. Might be a bit premature to call Magic Spellz a hit though.
I am not shitting on Joe and Joey for wanting hit records and as many fans/as much money as possible. I am flabbergasted by the hypocrisy of a lot of ICP fans who call Twiztid sellouts for making a rock song or doing Warped Tour, despite that ICP have done the exact same things and most times even more blatantly. Why are they groups held to completely different standards by a lot of Juggalos? Violent J pretty much begged juggalos to buy both copies of Bizaar Bizzar and give them to non-jugglaos due to low record sales, despite him talking about how he doesn’t want non-juggalos as fans and how he doesn’t care about appealing to non-juggalos on the same albums. Does it get more hypocritical than that? Anyone calling Twiztid sellouts, ICP’s repeated attempts to sellout should be unforgivable.
6:05 pm
March 30, 2013
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“Monoxide, Monoxide is that you?
Yeeah let me tell ya what I wanna do!”
ICP dont advertise it as much as it seems. They put it on these Juggalo sites, yes for marketing strategies, but also because doing good deeds feels good. It is a dopamine release like many other things. They like to feel good like any of us, and we all enjoy being recognized for what society calls “good deeds”.
Also, and most importantly, this will inspire many people to do similar good deeds.
Thus, there is 100% nothing wrong with it.
So in between banging obese women, killing bigots and throwing soda, some good things be happenin.
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King Lucem Ferre6:10 pm
September 18, 2012
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BDM said
King Lucem Ferre said
Twiztid aren’t much different, if you want to be honest. I think he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of hating Twiztid for succeeding at doing something that both ICP and Twiztid have been doing their whole careers. That’s creating a radio or a pop hit. Might be a bit premature to call Magic Spellz a hit though.
I am not shitting on Joe and Joey for wanting hit records and as many fans/as much money as possible. I am flabbergasted by the hypocrisy of a lot of ICP fans who call Twiztid sellouts for making a rock song or doing Warped Tour, despite that ICP have done the exact same things and most times even more blatantly. Why are they groups held to completely different standards by a lot of Juggalos? Violent J pretty much begged juggalos to buy both copies of Bizaar Bizzar and give them to non-jugglaos due to low record sales, despite him talking about how he doesn’t want non-juggalos as fans and how he doesn’t care about appealing to non-juggalos on the same albums. Does it get more hypocritical than that? Anyone calling Twiztid sellouts, ICP’s repeated attempts to sellout should be unforgivable.
I completely agree. Iv’e been telling people how ICP have molded their sounds after mainstream trends for years just to get the blind dismissal because ICP have spent their whole careers telling people differently.
But people don’t like thinking for themselves especially when it comes to preserving their own narcissism. That’s why we have news sites that make money off of generating fake outrage.
6:15 pm
September 18, 2012
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Old Mr Dangerous said
“Monoxide, Monoxide is that you?Yeeah let me tell ya what I wanna do!”
ICP dont advertise it as much as it seems. They put it on these Juggalo sites, yes for marketing strategies, but also because doing good deeds feels good. It is a dopamine release like many other things. They like to feel good like any of us, and we all enjoy being recognized for what society calls “good deeds”.
Also, and most importantly, this will inspire many people to do similar good deeds.
Thus, there is 100% nothing wrong with it.
So in between banging obese women, killing bigots and throwing soda, some good things be happenin.
I’m not gonna shit on charity or good deeds regardless of the intent behind it, just that juggalos tend to pretend like it’s rare to see a celebrity do good deeds when it’s not.
6:24 pm
May 25, 2016
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King Lucem Ferre said
Twiztid aren’t much different, if you want to be honest. I think he’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of hating Twiztid for succeeding at doing something that both ICP and Twiztid have been doing their whole careers. That’s creating a radio or a pop hit. Might be a bit premature to call Magic Spellz a hit though.
Haha I know. But I also know some people’s feelings were about to get hurt. So I had to say it to get things rolling.
6:25 pm
June 13, 2013
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As an artist, you owe it to yourself to reach as high as you can. Even though ICP has tried for mainstream attention, they always come back home to the underground. But that’s not what I’m upset with Twiztid about, that would be hypocrisy on my part if I was. I’m sure once Twiztid are done sucking dick for airplay, they’ll come back to the underground, same as ICP did. Thing is, they’ve hurt their reputation in the underground, so maybe their reasons for going mainstream are different. Maybe they want to leave the underground.
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6:37 pm
December 20, 2018
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86 said
As an artist, you owe it to yourself to reach as high as you can. Even though ICP has tried for mainstream attention, they always come back home to the underground. But that’s not what I’m upset with Twiztid about, that would be hypocrisy on my part if I was. I’m sure once Twiztid are done sucking dick for airplay, they’ll come back to the underground, same as ICP did. Thing is, they’ve hurt their reputation in the underground, so maybe their reasons for going mainstream are different. Maybe they want to leave the underground.
I am not going to be a dick to you for no reason, but I sincerely want to understand why you think Twiztid is trying to go mainstream. Because they made a straight up rock song? They have been doing that since they did Darkness on The Green Book back in 2003. Because they played the Warped Tour? They also did that back in 2003 and nobody accused them of selling out then. The last widely released music video that Twiztid put out was for Kill Somebody, where they are dressed up like demons and rapping about killing people. Not exactly a mainstream thing to do. I don’t see how a band being stoked that their song is on satellite radio is “sucking dick for airplay”. I would like to hear your opinion.
6:38 pm
December 20, 2018
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GanjaGoblin said
Who gives a fuck
Hundreds of ICP fans who continuously whine about Twiztid, but ignore ICP being far more blatant in their attempts to sell out?
6:41 pm
September 18, 2012
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86 said
As an artist, you owe it to yourself to reach as high as you can. Even though ICP has tried for mainstream attention, they always come back home to the underground. But that’s not what I’m upset with Twiztid about, that would be hypocrisy on my part if I was. I’m sure once Twiztid are done sucking dick for airplay, they’ll come back to the underground, same as ICP did. Thing is, they’ve hurt their reputation in the underground, so maybe their reasons for going mainstream are different. Maybe they want to leave the underground.
I was there with ya until your self contradicting comments on Twiztid sucking radio dick to go mainstream.
The distinction between underground and mainstream is completely superficial especially now days. Quite ironic that you worry so much about it since ICP has been mainstream for a long time, you’re just in denial of it because the idea that you are the antithesis of the ‘mainstream sheep’ is integral to your identity. The other irony is that the harder you try to be something different the more you become exactly the same as them. There was actually a study done on it, how every counter culture that begins with trying to rebel against the mindlessness of mainstream culture ends up being a replica of everything it hated about mainstream culture. You’ve seen the meme of the hipster that tried to sue the part of the essay that claimed all hipsters look a like because he mistook the picture of the hipster for himself.
6:48 pm
September 18, 2012
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BDM said
I am not going to be a dick to you for no reason, but I sincerely want to understand why you think Twiztid is trying to go mainstream. Because they made a straight up rock song? They have been doing that since they did Darkness on The Green Book back in 2003. Because they played the Warped Tour? They also did that back in 2003 and nobody accused them of selling out then. The last widely released music video that Twiztid put out was for Kill Somebody, where they are dressed up like demons and rapping about killing people. Not exactly a mainstream thing to do. I don’t see how a band being stoked that their song is on satellite radio is “sucking dick for airplay”. I would like to hear your opinion.
1. Freek Show was riddled with straight up industrial numetal songs.
This song is a ‘mainstream’ pop hit.
Also a very very stupid tattle on himself since he’s now a suspect in the murder of two of his friends and a cop.
6:55 pm
September 1, 2014
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Lol, this fucking guy.
Big difference from the people who laid the groundwork, paid the dues and broke their backs in an industry, at the time, that was seething with hate for anything that was different from the norm. ICP embraced the hate, continued forward, and never let their spirits get broken while taking pot shots on the chin every second of the bands existence. They deserved a little more than a footnote, They deserved a Woodstock and a video on Mtv. That’s not selling out, that’s called continuous fighting for respect amongst their peers and industry.
So Twizzler had to carry some bags on an ICP tour, cry me a river, then plug your vagina and theirs man. Twizzler was shielded, insulted and reaped the benefits of ICP’s unfathomable sacrifices to come up in the game in the 90’s, where real shit happened to people and it wasn’t in fashion to be different.
FOH.
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