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August 20, 2016
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Sorry if this subject could have been placed elsewhere. Wasn’t sure where to put this. Anyways…

I was playing into the echoside and was looking at all the cards that feature the wraith on them. A thought came to mind when looking at how detailed , realistic and bad ass the wraith looks in these cards. The way the wraith is presented in this game made me think more about the character itself rather than what the character represents and does. I started to wonder what does the wraith look like under that cloak. What are its facial features in response to different scenarios. If it thinks than what does it think of itself and its environment. Then I thought that I would actually enjoy the sixth card of the second deck to be the wraith revealed. A joker card from the pov of the wraith. The cover could be an uncloaked wraith revealing what it actually looks like. I know this probably wouldn’t fit with the way the second deck is being set up but I think it would be a unique experience.

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DemonicSwagger said
Sorry if this subject could have been placed elsewhere. Wasn’t sure where to put this. Anyways…

I was playing into the echoside and was looking at all the cards that feature the wraith on them. A thought came to mind when looking at how detailed , realistic and bad ass the wraith looks in these cards. The way the wraith is presented in this game made me think more about the character itself rather than what the character represents and does. I started to wonder what does the wraith look like under that cloak. What are its facial features in response to different scenarios. If it thinks than what does it think of itself and its environment. Then I thought that I would actually enjoy the sixth card of the second deck to be the wraith revealed. A joker card from the pov of the wraith. The cover could be an uncloaked wraith revealing what it actually looks like. I know this probably wouldn’t fit with the way the second deck is being set up but I think it would be a unique experience.  

It could fit…..In some cultures if the grim reaper uncloaks to look upon him is instant death similar to his touch. Interesting thought homie. Very deep.

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id like to see the final card be a battle royal between all the established jokers, kinda like omds thread from the other day. 

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August 20, 2016
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scruffy said
id like to see the final card be a battle royal between all the established jokers, kinda like omds thread from the other day.   

I missed that thread….would the theme be a kinda “Good meets Evil” idea or more of a which issue we let consume our lives thing or what? I mean with such a card what could the message be?

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August 20, 2016
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A battle would be interesting. I put my money on the ringmaster lol

August 21, 2016
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I could be wrong but I seem to remember a few people getting their hands on the image of an outline of a face a few months before the wraith was revealed. Shat-Upon was one of them. Remember him?
I remember the image had a pointy goatee and horns and I thought “this is fake”

Well when the wraith came out it did in fact have horns so that made me think, way back when, “did they originally plan to have it’s face revealed on the inside cover and scrap it?”
Keep in mind the people I saw posting the face could have just got lucky with the horns and the image had nothing to do with the Wraith. I can dream though.

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August 21, 2016
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Rosco said
I could be wrong but I seem to remember a few people getting their hands on the image of an outline of a face a few months before the wraith was revealed. Shat-Upon was one of them. Remember him?
I remember the image had a pointy goatee and horns and I thought “this is fake”

Well when the wraith came out it did in fact have horns so that made me think, way back when, “did they originally plan to have it’s face revealed on the inside cover and scrap it?”
Keep in mind the people I saw posting the face could have just got lucky with the horns and the image had nothing to do with the Wraith. I can dream though.  

This is pretty interesting. I wonder if there is a way to find any online convos about this from back then. I faintly remember hearing about an outline of the face or maybe I am pulling that from another conversation about a different jokers card. Hmmm.

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August 21, 2016
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I’m big into mythology building so this is right up my alley. Dope thread. 

I hope we never see the face of the wraith.

With the building of the second deck, the first two were ways that you can die. Both were explosions. One from within, the other from outside our bodies. I had hoped all six would be like that, with the last one being like what will YOUR wraith look like, with art having all of the second deck as the wraith. But that didn’t pan out. 

I think the face outline was fake. We had the silhouette of the sixth long before we had the face and the horns probably came from that but it’s been too long.

The face of death is a mystery though and should remain as such until we die.

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August 21, 2016
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The original line was “there will be 6 faces of the dark carnival, after all 6 have risen the end of time will consume us all” I think. Considering ajb had 2 faces plus the previous 4, the wraith is the end of time(death)therefore it has no face. 

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August 21, 2016
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chops said
The original line was “there will be 6 faces of the dark carnival, after all 6 have risen the end of time will consume us all” I think. Considering ajb had 2 faces plus the previous 4, the wraith is the end of time(death)therefore it has no face.   

I’ve always loved this theory.  It’s a funny little twist.

Btw, I remember back when J was prone to revealing too much info back in the day, he revealed that there would be a mirror inside the booklet of the sixth, revealing it to be ourselves.

This was before the name and image was revealed at the 2002 Garnering, but after the silhouette was revealed at the 2001 Hatchet arising Tour, I believe.

August 21, 2016
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remember when there was a top secret track planned for the sixth, where ALL of the collaborating artists from ICP’s history, from Greez-Ee to Esham, to Marz and PJB etc…. a long song with EVERYONE on it? J said one or more of the groups spilled the beans and revealed the secret so they canned it. Would’ve rocked.

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Nyro said

I missed that thread….would the theme be a kinda “Good meets Evil” idea or more of a which issue we let consume our lives thing or what? I mean with such a card what could the message be?  

https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/…..eathmatch/

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August 22, 2016
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SwollenThumb said

I’ve always loved this theory.  It’s a funny little twist.

Btw, I remember back when J was prone to revealing too much info back in the day, he revealed that there would be a mirror inside the booklet of the sixth, revealing it to be ourselves.

This was before the name and image was revealed at the 2002 Garnering, but after the silhouette was revealed at the 2001 Hatchet arising Tour, I believe.  

I don’t remember him saying there would be a mirror, but he often talked about the jokers cards in general being “a mirror” to society. I think he specifically did it on loveline when b/b came out. I could be wrong about the mirror in the booklet thing but I really don’t remember ever hearing that. 

A foil mirror might not have worked out as well as they were thinking, if he had said that, and they might have moved on. 

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August 22, 2016
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Noah Fence said
I’m big into mythology building so this is right up my alley. Dope thread. 

I hope we never see the face of the wraith.

With the building of the second deck, the first two were ways that you can die. Both were explosions. One from within, the other from outside our bodies. I had hoped all six would be like that, with the last one being like what will YOUR wraith look like, with art having all of the second deck as the wraith. But that didn’t pan out. 

I think the face outline was fake. We had the silhouette of the sixth long before we had the face and the horns probably came from that but it’s been too long.

The face of death is a mystery though and should remain as such until we die.  

Aw man I think seeing the wraith and its pov would be fantastic but I understand what you are saying and can see how that idea would spoil individuals experience with “the wraith”. Still would be a unique experience though lol.

Although I absolutely love the missing link lost and found I do wish they would have continued with the jokers that exist at the instance of death. Bang pow boom being a cause and the mighty death pop being effect, I think this could have trended wel over the next 4 cards. Perhaps the fifth card could have been a cause leading to the effect of experiencing the wraiths pov as the sixth. 

August 22, 2016
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I mean, don’t get it twisted. I won’t be pissed if they show us the face. I think they’re smart enough to make it work. I just think as it is, it doesn’t need it.

We’ll see though!

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August 23, 2016
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DemonicSwagger said
Sorry if this subject could have been placed elsewhere. Wasn’t sure where to put this. Anyways…

I was playing into the echoside and was looking at all the cards that feature the wraith on them. A thought came to mind when looking at how detailed , realistic and bad ass the wraith looks in these cards. The way the wraith is presented in this game made me think more about the character itself rather than what the character represents and does. I started to wonder what does the wraith look like under that cloak. What are its facial features in response to different scenarios. If it thinks than what does it think of itself and its environment. Then I thought that I would actually enjoy the sixth card of the second deck to be the wraith revealed. A joker card from the pov of the wraith. The cover could be an uncloaked wraith revealing what it actually looks like. I know this probably wouldn’t fit with the way the second deck is being set up but I think it would be a unique experience.  

This would be pretty cool. I remember reading somewhere J saying that the 6th of this deck will be basically the same “story” as the first deck.  Meaning, Heaven & Hell again.  I kinda thought it would be cool if the 6th was the Wraith again but with “Purgatory” as the theme of it.  I guess that wouldn’t be as epic of an ending though.

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Btw, I remember back when J was prone to revealing too much info back in the day, he revealed that there would be a mirror inside the booklet of the sixth, revealing it to be ourselves.

I think you’re referencing the message in the Bizzar Bizaar booklet.  Where you have to like, figure out what the message is by unscrambling letters and shit.

 

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August 23, 2016
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I think that much like scary movie with creatures or aliens whatever, it’s always better to never really see their face. I think the wraith should always remain hooded. Bc no matter what the exposer of his actual face will let us down. A mystery and what the mind makes up is always better and more scary/fresh/mysterious! 

 

Secondly i think the 6th of the second will either be another shangeri la and hells pit or a pregatory type deal. Where a new face shows us the possibilities of heaven and hell and we are stuck in limbo. 

 

Thirdly I wonder if they wil do a third deck. I know I know if this deck takes another 5-7 years, j and shaggy will be in their 50s. But if hogan and flair can still take bumps and ozzy can still tour and release new music so can the clowns. 

 

Or or will the 6th of the second he the end of joker cards and we will get just normal LP and Eps from them in the future. Or will the 6th be the end of ICPs new music. Time will tell. I think no matter what icp will continue to put of new music till they can’t. Just my thought. 

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Sometimes I hate the reveal of the baddies in film. Mystery is so much more terrifying.

Once you see the “monster”, it is so much more vulnerable. No matter how terrifying. That’s why I liked “The Mothman Prophecies”. It fucks you up. And you never truly see it. Or understand it’s intentions.

“Stranger Things” was excellent, but I wish we never got a close-up glimpse of the monstuh.

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Sometimes I hate the reveal of the baddies in film. Mystery is so much more terrifying.

Once you see the “monster”, it is so much more vulnerable. No matter how terrifying. That’s why I liked “The Mothman Prophecies”. It fucks you up. And you never truly see it. Or understand it’s intentions.

“Stranger Things” was excellent, but I wish we never got a close-up glimpse of the monstuh.  

I love the reveal. I want to see the monsters right away and perhaps even their lair. lol I really enjoy back stories to the bad guys and experience it as first hand as possible.

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DemonicSwagger said

I love the reveal. I want to see the monsters right away and perhaps even their lair. lol I really enjoy back stories to the bad guys and experience it as first hand as possible.  

that’s cool, I just find the unexplained to be so much more scary. 

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