Gotta blame the Chalkies too…Theyre tryna keep Hoodoo down in the doo doo.  

Ive never ran into psy street team around the time freeshow came out they were in seattle my friends saw them and got a few full size posters icp/twiztid and phat or wack samplers and sum 12 x12s my friends gave me all the sht i lucked out the ajb era lifesize icp standee was also given to a store by them i bought it from store for 15 bones and i went on a mission looking for icp.com banner over highway my buddy ended up with that but not too mich promo out here maybes iys cause im in the nw

DJ Clay also got zero promotion. Except a release party in Cleveland, which I went to, and was dead af. But that’s probably his best mixtape yet.

Good music promotes itself. I really liked Twiztid’s new mixtape it seemed overhyped & shit but Wasted, Sick man, and Down wit Us are amazing. I doubt Twiztid Blaze or Roc with ever return to Pys seeing as things are going great for them and it seems like they’re being thrown new oppurtunities since they’ve left Psychopathic prolly because no body wants anything to do with someone who has something to do with ICP. 

I think it’s funny that people think Twiztid will jump back into psy over stupid shit when you have underground artists such as Mars and SickTanicK who are running their own labels just fine on their own with out being in the game for nearly as long as Twiztid has, nor being recognized nearly as much. They might not be filthy fucking rich (I wouldn’t know), but they are getting by and feeding themselves and surviving, which, assuming from Joe Strange’s input, Twiztid was barely doing on Psychopathic. So, what do they have to lose by doing it on their own?

As for Blaze, I don’t actually know the dude personally so for me to make any judgement call like that would be completely bogus and nothing more but speculation.

 @scruffy You’d be surprised  how many people I’ve talked to that had no clue that Twiztid made a new album. Some people still don’t know about Abominationz. Even though there were tons of Abominationz flyers put up around the gateway mall. I think it was perhaps the Psy fucking up the Abominationz order and only getting 20,000 copies that may have resulted in them losing money. It’s a proven fact that illegal downloads have very little impact on record sales especially when artists are setting records in first week sales every other release. I honestly don’t know anybody that downloads an album and doesn’t end up buying it if they liked it. Unless they just couldn’t afford it. Especially since the bitrate of downloads just don’t live up to CD quality.

At the end of the day, the counter argument for whether or not Twiztid was promoted well enough was, “well everybody that’s already a fan knew about it” (which just is not true) but the point of promoting is not just to get the fans hyped up for the new album, it’s to gain recognition. Inform other people of who Twiztid is. Spread them to other people and create more fans for the future. So yes, Psychopathic did kind of fuck them over with promotion (for the record, that’s the same amount of promotion they all seem to have gotten for the past few years, even ICP) especially in comparison to how they promoted themselves (which is understandable, but damn) AND how they promoted Cold 187um which is kind of a slap in the face since they have been loyal employees to psychopathic for years. Yeah, they may owe Psy for giving them a chance, but Psy also owes them for how much money they have made off of them and for helping define the fan base, because in reality Esham, Twiztid, ABK, and Blaze all have a huge hand in defining the fan base. There is the argument that Twiztid could have promoted themselves, which is true, but what is the point of being on the label in the first place and giving them a cut if you have to do it yourself. They might as well leave the label and do it themselves so they can actually get both the promotion and all of the earnings from it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12……html?_r=0

That article pretty much sums up why ICP is becoming irrelevant and Psychopathic too for that matter. Their focus is on making noise for the industry to get noticed these days, not juggalos. As a long time juggalo it’s pretty crazy to see how their worst nightmare from back in the day of becoming irrelevant by selling out for mainstream acceptance is now their reality. I guess the forbidden fruit was just too tasty looking to not bite so shit I can’t say I’d do it any different. They had their run though and it was strong for years but it’s time to accept the inevitable. They’re not getting any younger either and they’ve lost their edge that drew people in in the first place.

As far as artists on the label, I get the sense most of them are just along for the ride and don’t take their careers seriously anyway. Labels aren’t needed anymore and they can do it themselves if they believed in themselves. Which I doubt they do. So there’s really no room to complain when they’re not pushed hard by the label. Twiztid eventually manned up and left. ICP left labels back in the day for the same reason.

“Believe in what you feel, even if its a life of sin” – ABK, “Hey Y’all”