Truest thing they said was that twiztid will be forever bitter because they'll never escape the icp association 

OP clearly takes everything Twiztid says as fact while disputing anything ICP says lol

as for Twiztid being bitter...maybe they do have a right to be but the FACT is they initially said leaving Psychopathic was gonna allow them to do so many more things musically and creatively...and since leaving (aside from starting up their label) they've been stuck in a creative rut where 90 percent of the music is just bitter subliminals about Psychopathic...they've lost their sense of humor completely which is one of the things ppl loved about Twiztid and seem less interested in juggalos than they are in capturing fans of nu-metal...they'll never get out of ICP's shadow because of their own doing more than anything...actually try branching out and doing some different shit if you want a bigger audience...Madrox still seems to be creative enough when it comes to songwriting but most of Monoxide's shit these days just sounds the same...2Pac reference, haters/enemies trying to hold us down, we're the best, etc...creatively he's on the same level of a local rapper just starting out lol "Change Me" on their new album is a great example...you have a dope Madrox verse that's actually different and unique only for Monoxide to follow it up with a verse about???...haters

vinyllover said

mentalcaseproject said
OP clearly takes everything Twiztid says as fact while disputing anything ICP says lol

You are free to show me anywhere I have made a mistake. In this topic, or in any other topic.

CPN is still an idiot who doesn't understand the FBI "gang list"
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/cpn-is-still-an-idiot-who-doesnt-understand-the-fbi-gang-list/

So if Juggalos will never forgive or support Twiztid again...
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/so-if-juggalos-will-never-forgive-or-support-twiztid-again/

ICP still clownin' on the gang list
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/psychopathic-music/icp-still-clownin-on-the-gang-list/

MonoXide talks A lot about icp beef and leaving psy !!
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/monoxide-talks-a-lot-about-icp-beef-and-leaving-psy/

 

I have in fact posted justified criticisms of Twiztid.

Can anyone tell me Twiztid's crimes between 2013-2016
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/can-anyone-tell-me-twiztids-crimes-between-2013-2016/

Kreyz McCormik on Twiztid and the gang list. Mar 12, 2019
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/kreyz-mccormik-on-twiztid-and-the-gang-list-mar-12-2019/

Twiztid's lawsuit against Child's Play Ninja
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/twiztids-lawsuit-against-childs-play-ninja/

Yep. CPN's lawsuit is happening!
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/majik-ninja-entertainment/yep-cpns-lawsuit-is-happening/

 

Debate me, bro.  

I'll take your word on your previous posts rather than digging through all those links lol but...

Joe and Joey assaulted Jamie Madrox while on drugs.
Joe forced Twiztid into the Eminem beef.
Twiztid was dicked out of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Twiztid LEFT during the Green Book due to things done to them and things in their contracts but were sweet talked into staying and it only got worse.
ICP fucked up on the order for Abominationz cds
Twiztid almost didn’t do Big Money Rustlas prequel due to more bullshit from Joe Bruce.

You're stating all of these things as if you know them for a fact...you're going off what a stoned, bitter, defensive, rambling Monoxide is saying and relaying it as fact when that's just their side of the story and Psychopathic has theirs...for the record I didn't like them ranting about Twiztid on the Chris Hansen thing either and think that was a bad look for them as well but how can you criticize that while bringing up Monoxide's rambling bullshit as valid evidence in the same breath?  Both sides (and the fans) would be better off dropping it and moving the fuck on already...I don't care to hear J go off about Twiztid for an hour anymore than I care to hear Monoxide only being able to make subliminal tracks about his haters and enemies fucking him over and trying to sabotage them for the majority of their records

so either they should both shut the fuck up and move on or settle this and have someone get both camps together in the same room on a livestream and hash that shit out and really let the people decide who was in the right or wrong...as for those points Mono made...we don't know why ICP and Madrox fought only what Twiztid claims...Joe forced Twiztid into the Eminem beef?...yeah I'm sure he had a gun to their head making them record Slim Anus and diss him in interviews numerous times...left during Green Book (fact) but were sweet talked into staying for over a decade?  Sounds like Twiztid fucked up there...Abominationz cds?  Not sure if I buy that...Heartbroken & Homicidal maybe but don't think it was selling very well anyways...Big Money Rustlas?...again who knows when you only have Monoxide's side to go off of

Slumerican502 said
I remember like 15 years ago reading behind the paint as a teenager.

J called HOK esham rip offs and called fritz studio the demo hut. I more or less worshiped J at that point and even my teenage mind thought that was some fucked up shade to put in your book. Especially when twiztid wrote passages at the end of it praising them.

If I were to guess, I'd wager both groups own a little blame but I do think it is correct to say none of us really know or will ever know  

from ICP's perspective back then...HOK used to rip down ICP's flyers and/or hang up their own over theirs and probably did sound like just a Esham rip off to the clowns back then (who to be fair ripped off Esham a bit as well)...IMO they threw the most shade at Brian (ROC) which I agree was a bit distasteful but he also said the same about John in regards to just not being able to hang with the work demand that being in the group took...actually had a lot of great things to say about Twiztid in the book including the fact that Twiztid thought doing Woodstock was some sellout shit and in retrospect ICP agreed and gave them props for keeping it real

Hey buddy, it was the 2004 black rain tour that the fight happened. The tour canceled after Washington’s date and they said everyone was sick. I already had tickets for the St. Louis date. It’s not bullshit. Also layzie bone was opening for them on that tour. 

Could someone provide any citations for that online?

Because I can't find any Dark Lotus cancellations online except for the Juggalo Day cancellation and 2004 was a heavy year for me; I was homeless and didn't have access to a computer at the time.

Maybe I am wrong about this particular incident, but I'm fairly sure there's more to the "we left cuz they'z a bunch of dicks" story than what Jamie and Paul are peddling.

Yeah they said having the flu and wearing lotus masks was too much for their health, even though they could've done the paint

Yooo I remember that "bowling pin incident!"

Specifically remember Scottie D posting a phony story about it involving Jeremy Methric and a weed sale and someone getting hit lol..  then he said something like "cmon you guys! Stop making shit up!"

Scottie was basically mocking all the gossipy folks and trying to show them how ridiculous all the stories could escalate.

P.S. - if you look deep enough, you'll discover that "Please Don't Hate Me" was originally a Monoxide diss. It's out there!