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6:05 am
July 31, 2014
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RobTidwell said
I would have used better songs, tbh. The songs you posted are the songs that people think are fun at first but that get old, with the exception of terrible.
I find that interesting, which songs would you have chosen? Basically I thought it was a good pick by pigg (..lol). Especially "Prom Queen" and "Under The Moon" are two of my very favorite ICP songs, that really got me into this music. Tbh that are songs I've chosen myself to show some people ICP. I never was very succesful though, but I guess it's music it's hard to get into overall. "The Neden Game" is a well made song, so I can understand this pick, too. I wouldnt have chosen "Terrible", I guess.
1:13 pm
July 6, 2014
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That essay is really interesting! Can't wait to read the others when they come out.
1:46 pm
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@piggofdoom
'comparative'.
...jus fuckin witcha.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
3:09 pm
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August 6, 2013
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Didn't even catch it. Now I can't un-see it.
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May 22, 2012
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scruffy said
...jus fuckin witcha.
hence...
Pigg said
Now I can't un-see it.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:48 am
January 5, 2015
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At least I spelled it right on the smashwords page
11:27 am
January 5, 2015
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pondo said
RobTidwell said
I would have used better songs, tbh. The songs you posted are the songs that people think are fun at first but that get old, with the exception of terrible.I find that interesting, which songs would you have chosen? Basically I thought it was a good pick by pigg (..lol). Especially "Prom Queen" and "Under The Moon" are two of my very favorite ICP songs, that really got me into this music. Tbh that are songs I've chosen myself to show some people ICP. I never was very succesful though, but I guess it's music it's hard to get into overall. "The Neden Game" is a well made song, so I can understand this pick, too. I wouldnt have chosen "Terrible", I guess.
Terrible is the only one I would have picked, lol. The others are too entry level. The songs chosen are songs that we liked at 15 because they were funny and different but how many of us still bump neden game for any reason other than nostalgia?
I used songs that I thought were good examples of icp pushing themselves into new territory. Nothing's Left for it's poetic spirituality, dead end because it shows icp next to a legend and their verses talk about a social justice issue through story telling, Amy's in the attic because it uses really interesting narrative devices, and 3:24 because j's flow is just nuts and that almost never happens.
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
IMO, you can't take a song from ICP to introduce it to someone. You need them to listen to a full album. This is what separates the men from the boys. If you can't sit through an ICP album, and just want to hear one song to make it click, you're gonna be one of those "Dating Game" fans.
zillions of juggalos have told me that their introduction to icp was just a song or two.
hell, theres mad juggalos out there who found them through stern or wrestling or whatever, didnt hear a song at all.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:23 pm
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August 12, 2012
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scruffy said
hell, theres mad juggalos out there who found them through stern or wrestling or whatever, didnt hear a song at all.
wrestling and the first song i ever heard was the theme song WWF used...
This led me to finding Forgotten Freshness 1 and 2 and the rest is history.
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August 6, 2013
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I still listen to Neden Game all of the time. It's fucking hilarious.
I was also introduced to ICP by a few songs by brother had on his computer by them. Of course it's gonna be hard to create a long term fan without listening to an album, but I think that's true of ANY musician, not just ICP.
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July 6, 2014
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I think full albums are essential. I mean, yea a song can be what initially caught your attention...but did anyone really consider themselves a Juggalo before listening to a full CD? Individual songs tell smaller stories, and those are dope and all, but the albums as a whole are what get the main point across. The albums in full are what portrays the deeper messages. And without the overarching themes and messages, ICP would be just another band. If they had released just a jumble of random songs, they wouldn't be epic.
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May 22, 2012
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
So none of you listen to full albums?
i dont get why you say this.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
9:51 pm
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May 22, 2012
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hate to make it about semantics n shit, but theres a gulf between the absolutism of 'cant' introduce icp with a song or two, 'need' to listen to a full album; and 'listening to full albums isnt important to new fans'. really, the two points dont correlate to the same discussion.
prj kinda did prove you wrong. you said you cant introduce icp without the needed full album experience. that must be incorrect, cuz it happened to him [and many others, as well].
of course juggalos listen to the whole album. i mean, really, you actually think otherwise...? nope, me doubts.
but see, thats not what were talkin about. the question was whether or not one should be introduced to icp with a handful of songs, or one song. you said that one cannot. ive seen it, so i say one can. 'should'...? who knows. no accounting for taste.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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August 12, 2012
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I was not trying to prove anyone wrong or right, i was just stating how i was introduced to ICP
12:17 am
January 5, 2015
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I think that before someone is gonna sit down and really listen to a full album, a song or two is really helpful as an intro.
But yeah, it's not that big a deal to me. I like icp in album form, that's why my essay focuses on an album.
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I LOVE listening to ICP albums, even the skits hold up on their old stuff. I merely meant a couple songs got me interested enough to buy an album.
8:23 am
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February 15, 2014
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I don't really ever sit through a full album. I get the album, load it on my phone, hit shuffle and listen to it merged with my 2000+ other songs. I am still finding songs from Lost that I hadn't listened to.
I'm not into the "mythos" of the albums. I like the music and I don't read anything into the meaning of it all. It's art and art's meaning is in the mind of the beholder - nowhere else. Some may agree on some aspects of what it means to them, but everyone sees something different.
I read @robtidwell 's online booklet but I didn't really understand his connections. But then again, I almost exclusively read code and occasionally how-to manuals. Everything in them is precise, straight forward, and needs no subjective interpretation. Even in school I was terrible at anything I had to read that required any interpretation or opinion. My opinion seemed to always be wrong according to my teachers. I remember an assignment where the teacher asked what we thought a particular author was thinking when he wrote a certain book. I said the author was probably thinking "I need to get this book written so I can pay rent this month." My teacher counted my "opinion" as incorrect. Like she really knows what some long dead author was really thinking at the time.
That being said. I am glad there are artist like @robtidwell out there and that there are people who understand art. I just don't. But if the whole world was just like me, it would probably be a drab and colorless world.
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Psyral Infection said
I don't really ever sit through a full album. I get the album, load it on my phone, hit shuffle and listen to it merged with my 2000+ other songs. I am still finding songs from Lost that I hadn't listened to.I'm not into the "mythos" of the albums. I like the music and I don't read anything into the meaning of it all. It's art and art's meaning is in the mind of the beholder - nowhere else. Some may agree on some aspects of what it means to them, but everyone sees something different.
I read @robtidwell 's online booklet but I didn't really understand his connections. But then again, I almost exclusively read code and occasionally how-to manuals. Everything in them is precise, straight forward, and needs no subjective interpretation. Even in school I was terrible at anything I had to read that required any interpretation or opinion. My opinion seemed to always be wrong according to my teachers. I remember an assignment where the teacher asked what we thought a particular author was thinking when he wrote a certain book. I said the author was probably thinking "I need to get this book written so I can pay rent this month." My teacher counted my "opinion" as incorrect. Like she really knows what some long dead author was really thinking at the time.
That being said. I am glad there are artist like @robtidwell out there and that there are people who understand art. I just don't. But if the whole world was just like me, it would probably be a drab and colorless world.
Thank you for such a wonderful compliment.
For the record, your teachers suck. Most art is made with the intention of finishing the work, like you say. Everything has two types of meaning. The dictionary definition of the thing and the associated meanings. So a door is literally just a door but a door is also a barrier, an exit, an entry.
Most teachers who don't really understand how art works will tell you the artist had a direct, purposeful reason for putting the door in the right hand corner of a room but most often it's because that's where it is in their room. There's a great scene in breaking bad where jesse and his girlfriend are talking about Georgia OKeefe's door series. They talk about the literal definition of the piece, how her view of the door changes based on the light which depended on what day of time she painted it, and the associated meaning: light and shadow create emotional triggers. That some days the door was masculine, others feminine. OKeefe would probably tell you she did the door over and over again because she was trying to get it exact but that she failed every time. Your teachers would probably tell her she is wrong.
I think "what does this remind you of" is a better way of asking what a piece is rather than "what was the artist saying" because most of the time they are saying I'm fucking bored or I need money or shit, I fucked up.
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I understand what you are saying. I can ddefinitely see how individual songs can give the wrong impression. One day I'll have to sit down and listen to the albums in their entirety. But what if that changes my opinion of them and I hate them afterwards? :p
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July 11, 2012
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interesting read @robtidwell ....I enjoyed it.....there seems to be a connection between Gnosticism and Dark Lotus...Interesting to read your take on that...My brother is really into astrology and he is writing a book and he was reading to me the first chapter about Gnosticism and it really had a strong connection with Dark Lotus and esoteric mystical knowledge...I really dont know much about these things...my brother is way down the rabbit hole...but its very interesting to say the least.
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