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Hatchetman
How do post-Wraith Juggalos view the Dark Carnival?
August 15, 2013
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What’s the general tone/state of things in regard to the Dark Carnival? When you got into it, was it of any particular focus in your experience? 

Did you have like, the drive to get all the joker’s cards to find out the full concept?
Did you hear Shangri-La before you heard the others and know how it ended or vice versa? 
Do a lot of people still believe in a literal dark carnival, that just happens to have been created by the generally perceived, somewhat non-denominational God discussed on Shangri-La? I can’t imagine that would be the overarching majority but I have no idea.

Are there still websites that interpret/analyse shit? I used to co-run one called PurgatoryIsOdd.com around 99/00 and we were all just so disappointed by Thy Unveiling that we gave up and now I’m basically at ground zero of understanding where/what it is today (quick summary of my perspective which I’m sure is not unique; the fact that they believed in god wasn’t a secret to be unveiled because it was all over and extremely apparent so it sucked knowing that already and waiting [potentially] six cards to not actually get any kind of newly revealed mystery).

I’m looking for any post-2002 perspective, and as I type that I can’t help but think how insane it is that there are juggalos, right now, who have been down post-wraith for longer than I was pre-wraith. ICP is Black Sabbath now. I thought I’d be dead by this point.

August 15, 2013
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Shangri-La was the first joker card I heard, but that was kind of old hat, too, by the time I was getting into it. My first ICP album was the Calm, and I guess there wasn’t as much of an obvious dark carnival presence on that album so I wasn’t yet hip to that jive. My decision to buy Shangri-La first was more influenced by fact that I didn’t have a lot of money and I was looking to buy what would give me the most material. I bought Shangri-La because it came with a DVD (seminar disc that actually educated my ass a bit about ICP’s history) and Mutilation Mix because it had a long track list. I started collecting the cards in mostly random order after that.

I don’t believe I’ve met anyone who believes religiously in any dark carnival. There’s probably some out there though. I think there’s a good few non-juggalos with the misconception that we all do actually worship ICP and/or the dark carnival religiously. 

I don’t know about any websites dedicated to joker card speculation or whatever. This is basically the only juggalo site I bother to come to. There’s enough speculation and analysis in these forums though.

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August 16, 2013
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I got lucky because right as I became down, Halls of Illusions was a huge juggalo website, and so it was super easy to learn up on ICP history. I mean, the site had lyrics, history, beefs, and their height and weight for fuck’s sake! Faygoluvers had a lot of cool info before the format changed, too!

August 16, 2013
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I only found out about ICP after the Wraith dropped when I was in primary school still. I was like six then and always heard psy

music being played at my cousins’ when they babysat me. I  didn’t actually take any sort of interest in ICP (except for some of

the catchier songs that I now find played out) until about a year after EOTS when I was 12. I was rummaging through my

cousin’s stack of about 200 miscellaneous rap cd’s and found COC and Ringmaster. It was the reissues by island (but coc for

some reason still had all 16 tracks) and had just the face of the card, a black background, the album font, and the business shit

on it. I was drawn form the work and asked if I could  borrow it, instead he gave me them as a gift. I had no fucking idea about

the dark carnival, pychopathic records, juggalos, or even what the hatchetman was. I didn’t even know who the CD’s were by.

By pure happenstance I put on COC first cause I liked the shiny colors used on the cd and was intrigued and a little frightened

by how ominous the intro was. Track 2 weirded me out kinda but at the end of it when heard “And now it’s time for THE I-C

MUTHAFUCKING P” I knew I was in for a treat. Before scooping my brains of the floor and putting them back in my previously

blown wig I knew that a new part of my life started. I put on Ringmaster next and by the end of Wax Museum realized that

they were by the same artist and were conceptual. I played those fucking cd’s alot over the weekend and researched ICP as

much I could when I was at school the next week. I cheapened the rest of the dark carnival experience by google

album/carnival analysis.  I soon started getting music burned for me by my cousin friend (who has every major psy release yet

doesn’t consider himself a juggalo). I really became a fucking clown boy though and starting living by the dark carnival, which

morally wasn’t a bad thing. And then B!P!B! came out so I geeked because “The dark carnival was back”. That seems ages ago

because i’m young as hell. I held juggaloism and the carnival itself in much higher regard back then but I still feel very strongly

about both. Like most of us I was never to popular and carried around that “Scrub Hora” as J’s said, and listening to the 6 and

ICP’s in general made me get over depressing thoughts and embrace the enlightening thoughts. I turned myself into a popular

kid by taking chances and giving less of a fuck about the way people perceived me. I got my dad to actually acknowledge that

the dark carnival is wholesome and good thing. I know there wasn’t that “mystery” that the OG’s were so lucky to have

witnessed and I didn’t get that anticipation for the 6th and the end of the world but I still feel all the magic (that I even forgot

about until I started writing this post). I’d like to end by saying that since I’ve starting lurking this forum last year that my faith

in Juggalos and has forever been restored. For any who may actually read this I am grateful for all of your input, information,

HUMOR, and love. Yall are the best motherfuckers on the interwebs.

August 16, 2013
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Sorry to any who think my post is too damn long and thank you to any who actually read all that shit.

August 16, 2013
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That is an *awesome* story dude. It reminds me a lot of mine. I got Ringmaster from a kid I knew on my school bus who was surprisingly nice to me (considering I was a massive loser nobody liked), and it’s the only psy thing I had for two years and the only album I listened to period. My internet was so terrible that I was barely ever able to download music so my progression through the jokers cards was really slow and depended on my parents actually wanting to buy me CDs. It did the same thing for me it did for you. I’m really glad that still happens in the world. 

 

 

Neverthrive said 
Shangri-La was the first joker card I heard, but that was kind of old hat, too, by the time I was getting into it. My first ICP album was the Calm, and I guess there wasn’t as much of an obvious dark carnival presence on that album so I wasn’t yet hip to that jive. My decision to buy Shangri-La first was more influenced by fact that I didn’t have a lot of money and I was looking to buy what would give me the most material. I bought Shangri-La because it came with a DVD (seminar disc that actually educated my ass a bit about ICP’s history) and Mutilation Mix because it had a long track list. I started collecting the cards in mostly random order after that.

I don’t believe I’ve met anyone who believes religiously in any dark carnival. There’s probably some out there though. I think there’s a good few non-juggalos with the misconception that we all do actually worship ICP and/or the dark carnival religiously. 

I don’t know about any websites dedicated to joker card speculation or whatever. This is basically the only juggalo site I bother to come to. There’s enough speculation and analysis in these forums though.

That’s pretty much what I expected.

 

piggofdoom said 
I got lucky because right as I became down, Halls of Illusions was a huge juggalo website, and so it was super easy to learn up on ICP history. I mean, the site had lyrics, history, beefs, and their height and weight for fuck’s sake! Faygoluvers had a lot of cool info before the format changed, too!

haha I used to beef with HOI because they were wraithalo fags. Oh, those were good times.

I was all about RJN, FLH (2000 till the forum died), and PT
When I was first coming up it was all scattered musings on a million personal sites on ICP Top 50, + icp.com and rjn. Great time for terrible graphics and comic sans.

August 16, 2013
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Halls of illusions use to have the fun facts in the top right corner. But faygoluvers had free music. Also was key in playing success for guys like intrinzik fall guy class and a few others

 

August 16, 2013
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I definitely wasn’t about any of that. By the time Intrinzik was hitting I was onto Def Jux Virus Independent and NY hardcore and death metal.

August 16, 2013
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I wish I was around when all those sites mentioned on Dot Com were around. This is one of few still in existence, but that’s probably good because that was a lot of fucking sites. Ringmaster is hands down my favorite ICP project, it sounded ahead of it’s time when i heard it. Some songs sound ’94ish but others still hold their own now.

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The only good ones were thesixth, psychopathictraders, flh, and church of the dark carnival was ok. Most of the rest were just some bullshit juggalo-owned sites with 20 visitors, personal stash/trading sites, and regional exclusives. 

 

Milenko500 is a sick resource, and it’s still up! It’s terribly arranged but it’s got a lot of old ass shit on it.

August 16, 2013
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Cool, I prefer the old FLH but there’s actually some cool shit in there. It should come in handy for archival information.

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I just wanna be clear for anyone reading this;

I don’t give a fuck if you’re pre or post any particular album/year/era. As far as I’m concerned it’s all the same. My experience was fun and unique, but I still hated everybody I wasn’t specifically down with and that’s never changed. Juggalos got and get more respect than the rest of society but we’re all still pieces of shit. 

I’ve always thought of Juggalos as the best and most familiar people in hell, and the Dark Carnival as the best way to deal with being in hell. I’m still in hell and we’re all gonna still take advantage of each other, fight, talk shit, and all that, but we understand each other and that makes it easier to not take shit so seriously and let things be as they are. My parents are bikers and 80s trash metal heads, which I kind of think of as pre-Juggalos, so it’s really natural for me and I think that’s why I relate to juggalos so much, and it’s also why I’m comfortable being as old as I am and still actually call myself a Juggalo and be willing to group myself with people who’s opinions vary so wildly that I couldn’t possibly agree with “the majority” of them. Our whole way of life is based on living as though your own code of morality was law and that’s what I think really defines us more than anything, and why we’re classified as a gang.

August 16, 2013
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piggofdoom said
I got lucky because right as I became down, Halls of Illusions was a huge juggalo website, and so it was super easy to learn up on ICP history. I mean, the site had lyrics, history, beefs, and their height and weight for fuck’s sake! Faygoluvers had a lot of cool info before the format changed, too!

Nice to see that Halls of Illusions is still remembered. I was mod/editor on that site pretty much from start to end. I wrote a lot of those fun facts we had, people loved to complain to about those… 

 

Now that I think about it, I also remember when we wrote down a “map” of all their tattoos, you know circled them with red and a number, then a description of what they all was. I feel like a poser today compared to how into it i was back then. Good times tho, good times.

 

Sorry for going offtopic, getting all nostalgic over here.

August 16, 2013
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Klaent said

piggofdoom said
I got lucky because right as I became down, Halls of Illusions was a huge juggalo website, and so it was super easy to learn up on ICP history. I mean, the site had lyrics, history, beefs, and their height and weight for fuck’s sake! Faygoluvers had a lot of cool info before the format changed, too!

Nice to see that Halls of Illusions is still remembered. I was mod/editor on that site pretty much from start to end. I wrote a lot of those fun facts we had, people loved to complain to about those… 

 

Now that I think about it, I also remember when we wrote down a “map” of all their tattoos, you know circled them with red and a number, then a description of what they all was. I feel like a poser today compared to how into it i was back then. Good times tho, good times.

 

Sorry for going offtopic, getting all nostalgic over here.

I fucking miss that site, man! I remember being a a little fuckin 12 year old trying to talk to juggalettes on AIM and Yahoo messenger, calling them up and video chatting. I remember juggalo radio being the shit and being internet homies with one of the dj’s lol.

NOSTALGIA ALL UP IN THIS BITCH

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You guys are gonna make me cry

August 16, 2013
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piggofdoom said

Klaent said

piggofdoom said
I got lucky because right as I became down, Halls of Illusions was a huge juggalo website, and so it was super easy to learn up on ICP history. I mean, the site had lyrics, history, beefs, and their height and weight for fuck’s sake! Faygoluvers had a lot of cool info before the format changed, too!

Nice to see that Halls of Illusions is still remembered. I was mod/editor on that site pretty much from start to end. I wrote a lot of those fun facts we had, people loved to complain to about those… 

 

Now that I think about it, I also remember when we wrote down a “map” of all their tattoos, you know circled them with red and a number, then a description of what they all was. I feel like a poser today compared to how into it i was back then. Good times tho, good times.

 

Sorry for going offtopic, getting all nostalgic over here.

I fucking miss that site, man! I remember being a a little fuckin 12 year old trying to talk to juggalettes on AIM and Yahoo messenger, calling them up and video chatting. I remember juggalo radio being the shit and being internet homies with one of the dj’s lol.
NOSTALGIA ALL UP IN THIS BITCH

Now that you mention radio, I remember that we ran a radio station on HOI for a while, is that the one you’re talking about? I might still have some of our jingles on my computer.

August 16, 2013
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No it was a separate site, I think. But I can’t really remember. Did the HOI radio have a different name?

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I dont remember what the name was =( 

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the first time i was exposed to icp was when the miracles video went viral. I thought it was funny, but also catchy and the meaning behind it struck a chord with me. I learned of mighty death pop’s release date and bought it the day it came out. That was the first thing I bought with my first paycheck (not all of it of course) from my first job. It blew my fuckin wig off. The beats, the messages, the murder, the mayhem, the clowns themselves. It was amazing. From there I started gobbling up all the dark carnival lore, the meanings of the cards, the albums themselves, all that. As for my actual take on the carnival, I see it just as J always put it- it’s a cool not stale ass message about the error of our ways, correcting them, and finding our way to heaven (shangri-la). The carnival, to me, is just non-denominational Christianity hidden by clown makeup and brutal punishments to evil people. And that’s perfect for me because I identify with christianity, but I havent found one branch of the church I fully agree with. I have my own beliefs and opinions on God and the universe and what not. But now I’m getting off course. I don’t know if anywhere in there I answered your question, but that’s all I got

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I think it is religious but not necessarily Christian. They don’t talk about Jesus at all, they talk about a higher power. A God. They focus more on a goodness weighed against evil as a way to get into heaven as compared to a savior and being saved by faith.

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