vinyllover said

SPANGE said
crazy hearing ICP rap about conspiracy shit basically saying fuck that illumanati shit on Hawking... about god damn time.

Nope. They were initiated years ago. Shaggy told you years ago on his FTFO album in the song "thug pit" that he was involved. And if he is, then so is Violent J. They did this song with those lyrics on flip the rat because people have been accusing them of being affiliated via freemasonry for years.

If they took any oaths, they are dead meat if they break them. Talking about 9-11 and other things isn't breaking any oath of any particular michigan lodge. Many CIA plants are in the truth field telling most or partial truths. Them saying those things don't mean shit. Except that they can rhyme.  

On a song on FFF, they say "I sold my soul and stole it back"...

This is the same shit Eminem does,  one album its him begging for forgiveness, the next album it's fuck them,  I'm taking my shit back...so this "oath" bullshit is made up, at least when it comes to its terms and conditions, gnome sayin.  

Ajb had Fuck The World, this was prolly the album where they first "spoke out", they got blacklisted and spent the last decade in a half trying to "reconcile" and now they are Fighting Back,  again. 

Purely speculation tho

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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

On a song on FFF, they say "I sold my soul and stole it back"...

This is the same shit Eminem does,  one album its him begging for forgiveness, the next album it's fuck them,  I'm taking my shit back...so this "oath" bullshit is made up, at least when it comes to its terms and conditions, gnome sayin.  

Ajb had Fuck The World, this was prolly the album where they first "spoke out", they got blacklisted and spent the last decade in a half trying to "reconcile" and now they are Fighting Back,  again. 

Purely speculation tho

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You don't steal back what you sell. It doesn't work like that. The 'network' is too old, strong, far reaching, interconnected, and powerful.

As for Eminem, that is not the same Eminem from the late 90's. Literally. You feel me?

Pigg said
What evidence do you have for... Well... Any of this?  

Literally none. People just want to believe stupid shit, in my opinion. 

Anywho, Flip's real cool, I think, still waiting for my physical copy, though. Also I have a second code for flip if anyone wants it. 

Im not sure if its already been suggested but I think this Flip The Rat album is the tracks from the first cut of FFF. They took the 12 tracks they scrapped and made this album.

Its trash imo. Feels like the worst Forgotten Freshness album. I just find it hard to believe that they consciously made a second album as an aside. Its way more likely, when you look at the history of the release of FFF, that they originally made an album that just wasnt good. And its equally as likely that they sold it to us as Flip The Rat.

I think someone was honest as fuck with them and told them it was a flop. Imagine the new joker card was this Flip The Rat album with a few of the current FFF songs on it. FFF is superior in every way.

Its basically a conspiracy theory so I dunno... but its more interesting than any conspiracy they talk about on Hawking. Everyone else seems to like it though, so what the fuck do I know?

vinyllover said

I dislike flip the rat except for maybe two songs. I heard it on youtube. I was not impressed.
I bet you are correct in your assessment.  

I fully expected instant backlash at my suggestion... so thanks. 

vinyllover said
I take back what I said. I like 3 songs.

I’m that type
Hawking
Be safe

I would take those 3 and add them to the list I made of FFF songs I like, and then I would call THAT a good full length album.  

Yeah ill take Be Safe. I think they should have had that as the closing track on FFF. Remove that Warning before the final track and add Be Safe and you still have 17 tracks (if it means that much to them).

Ok I finally got around to checking out Flip and something tripped me the fuck out...it REALLY sounds like they sampled ME on "Tha Dogg". Check out at 3:50 in the song. Then check out my track called "Clockwise Through The Graves" here:

https://youtu.be/6ggJa_ba9cs

Even crazier, back when J briefly had a Facebook profile, like a true fanboy I sent him a message. In it I just was giving props and thanked him for the inspiration in my own music and shared a version of this track with him that had vocals on it from my wife. I said I was not looking for a shoutout or a deal or anything, only just sharing something that certainly had an ICP influence. So I even directly sent him a version of this track. 

To be honest, I think it's pure coincidence but I think the similarity is unmistakeable. Hell, even if they did directly rip it from me somehow, I wouldn't be mad. 

Old Mr Dangerous said

I wouldn't be too surprised. I'm almost positive that someone on PSY has taken the following from my rambling Faygoluvers posts:

1. The concept for "The Road" album by Jumpsteady.

2. A Valentine's Day themed one-off show where they did a lot of the "sex" songs.

3. Calling the Axe Murder Boys "Asperger's Boys"... J said that more or less on that "6 Foot 7 Foot" track, albeit more cleverly than me.

4. This one is the weirdest... but I created some random character on here and we all indulged in these spontaneous stories around "The Fabled Orchards of Monsieur Frederick". Just some random brain games and we all had a good laugh.... then, they announced an album about "Red FRED"... weird stuff!

I've got more ideas, J... just ask. I want props and maybe some of those greenbacks.  

That's pretty funny man, could be true! Yeah when I played that part in Tha Dogg for my wife I didn't even preface it with what it sounds like and she immediately was like "what the fuck!?" And I was just like yeah if they really did get that from me all I'd want is for them to shout me out like 1 time and I'd be happy with that. 

The Warlock said
i feel Flip is much better than FFF..  

Warlock, you fuck.... I agree.

"Flip the Rat" is INSANELY better than Furious Fred Fury!!

I finally got my copy today. Here are my scattered thoughts:

● first off, this is basically the ICP album extra that they couldnt clear the major samples for. 

● this album is the epitome of what "Adderall, Viagra and Molly" sounds like on wax.

● Alice in Chains sample?? Beastie Boys?? Sublime?? 

● this is the alternate universe version of Violent J being introduced to cannabis circa "Wizard of the Hood" era. 

● this is a very well produced EP

● anyone catch this sample from "Hungry"?