I started listening in 2010. For me most bands older material is better than the new. But most of the time it's two completely different sounds. I try not to judge the new stuff based off what the old sounds like. The first ICP song I ever heard was Yellow Bus. Most people that have been listening for a long time are used to what an artist sounded like back in the day. Then when something different/new comes out, they compare it to what they've heard. Thus disliking it most of the time. When The Garcia Brothers came out I was so hooked on God's Hand that when I heard it I was like what the fuck. I know most people dislike their old stuff but love the new. Otis lacks the anger in his voice he used to have.. Ya know? But as far as ICP goes, I like the new stuff. Probably because the first songs I heard from them were post OG 6. 

Skitzofreak said
I started listening in 2010. For me most bands older material is better than the new. But most of the time it's two completely different sounds. I try not to judge the new stuff based off what the old sounds like. The first ICP song I ever heard was Yellow Bus. Most people that have been listening for a long time are used to what an artist sounded like back in the day. Then when something different/new comes out, they compare it to what they've heard. Thus disliking it most of the time. When The Garcia Brothers came out I was so hooked on God's Hand that when I heard it I was like what the fuck. I know most people dislike their old stuff but love the new. Otis lacks the anger in his voice he used to have.. Ya know? But as far as ICP goes, I like the new stuff. Probably because the first songs I heard from them were post OG 6. 

This is EXACTLY how I feel because you are 100% correct and I am proof of that lol, when something new comes out, I look for the old sound knowing that I wont ever hear that sound again because times have changed, but thats ok because like I said, I like the new shit and the old shit.

Rick Grimes said

Skitzofreak said
I started listening in 2010. For me most bands older material is better than the new. But most of the time it's two completely different sounds. I try not to judge the new stuff based off what the old sounds like. The first ICP song I ever heard was Yellow Bus. Most people that have been listening for a long time are used to what an artist sounded like back in the day. Then when something different/new comes out, they compare it to what they've heard. Thus disliking it most of the time. When The Garcia Brothers came out I was so hooked on God's Hand that when I heard it I was like what the fuck. I know most people dislike their old stuff but love the new. Otis lacks the anger in his voice he used to have.. Ya know? But as far as ICP goes, I like the new stuff. Probably because the first songs I heard from them were post OG 6. 

This is EXACTLY how I feel because you are 100% correct and I am proof of that lol, when something new comes out, I look for the old sound knowing that I wont ever hear that sound again because times have changed, but thats ok because like I said, I like the new shit and the old shit.

And when you do like the newer things you hear. That's pretty rad because it keeps coming. I'm pumped as hell for Found. 

There is no "better" or "worse". Taste is impossible to gauge. I have been down since I heard "The Joker's Wild" in a trailer in upstate NY back in like 1997. But I still am.intrigued and entertained by lots of the newer releases. Different eras provide different vibes, is all. "Southwest Song" is dope when you want it, "Crop Circles" is dope when you want it, and "Apocalypse" is dope when you want it. Different eras, different vibes.

That's not true. I been down since a little after riddlebox got released BUT my first actual show was Shangrila. I hate COC & Ringmaster but love every other card. The new 6 aren't horribly bad, but I wouldn't compare them to the original 6... ever. 

I could probably take a couple tracks off all 3 albums and compile a disc to be the "first jokers card of the 2nd deck" and IMO that's how it should sound but that's me. But for what we have as a 2nd deck, I don't absolutely hate it, nor do I love it. I think the worst is the death pop IMO. I kind of hate how music has gone the last couple of years personally. I would love for it to get back to the late 90's / early 2000's but doubt that will happen. Thats' not even just with ICP it's with everything even rock music. 

As mentioned, its all down to the individual and their tastes. I was hesitant as fuck when they announced a second deck and while it has mostly been retreads of some form and throwbacks it hasn't exactly been devoid of music that gets me excited.

The original six will always be more "special" for being the originals - simple as that, really. When the concept for six jokers cards of the dark carnival was formed, it was fresh as hell. Many jumped ship after Shangri-La of course, so it doesnt really suprise me that the cyclical nature of Juggalos has young'uns such as yourself feeling the new deck more. Its what you're reared on, for lack of a better term. 

Being from the UK and the age I am, my exposure to ICP was mostly via pro-wrestling and seeing Great Milenko sat in almost every other older kids house at some point. I remember hating it at first, which is why I put AJB down as the one that "converted" me, if you will. Just worked out nicely from there with me having to save and spend every spare penny I could muster on HMV's bullshit "imports" fees just to get a Psychopathic fix. Now with the internet and what not, I am mildly envious of you newbies as its practically all there in front of you. Gone are the days of scanning the "Pop" or "Metal" (seriously) sections for ICP only to be ht with a £18 price tag.

Having the world unfold simply through the music that was already of limited availability with even less fans to converse with (until I discovered UKJ, HOI, etc) made the whole family vibe more real without even needing to chant it (seriously I barely remember anyone chanting "family" for years - when did that start?). It just was. There was a magic and now a nostalgia.

Which is why for people like me it'll always be difficult to compare and contrast without a slight nostalgic bias. Reality is, in terms of the music as is; some aint gonna like the newer stuff, some are - it's really two sides of the same coin, blown up bigger than it needs to be through the personal history the individual carries. No one has any true right to say you're wrong with those opinions, they can debate, sure; but taste is taste at the end of the day.

And fuck me, if we all listened to what others said as gospel NONE of us would have any sort of affinity we do with 'The Worlds Most Hated Band'.

Novocaine, That Aussie Asshole said

they both have their gold (bazooka joey anyone?).

If you're asking what I think you are, yeah that song is sick. 

Everybodys different. The era I discovered ICP was around Milenko, but the first album I heard was Ringmaster. All of ICP albums hold a special place to me. When I listen to COC to Shangri  La I'm reminded of my younger times and high school, a happier simpler time for me. This new era is fresh and so far out of the new deck MDP is my shit (just my opinion). I hear people say they want another riddle box or a Milenko type vibe. I don't want that because we already have those albums. Let ICP do ICP. If you don't like that one record they put out, then hey listen to one you do like because as of 2015, the clowns got a pretty decent size catalogue under them. 

I've enjoyed the lyrics for the new set for the most part. It was mostly the beats I didn't like. Maybe in 10+ years or so i'll like it, but to me personally I just didn't feel it. I expected more from MEC i guess maybe my expectations were higher who knows. 

I cant even believe this is a Question