King Lucem Ferre said

Old Mr Dangerous said
despite what Fox News and certain existing biases claim, liberals are more for free speech and gun rights than anybody.

Nyro said  

I don't like Trump but I would support him over Hillary. Don't ask me why but it is probably that I hate her more then any candidate in history of me being legal to vote. She is by far the most corrupt candidate ever and although I think Trump is a genocidal madman I truly believe her antics will do just as much damage. If we are bound to destroy the country at least Trump has a couple values I have (albeit few) where as Hillary has next to no quality I find commendable.

EDIT: When I say "HATE" I mean it. I would gladly throw a Gatorade bottle of piss at her without hesitation. She is the epitomy of evil and represents the number ONE problem with America these politicians with 30+ years in the business of politics and families that have monopolies on entire political sectors.  

Lets quit pretending it's Trump vs. Hillary because it's not unless you make it that way.

Plus, you can't really believe what Trump says because he is just as big of a liar. It's like, you don't want Hillary because she is corrupted by greedy corporations. So your idea is to cut the middle man and support the greedy corporation because it promises not to be a greedy corporation? Well, except you don't actually support him.

In my opinion Trump represents everything wrong with America. He represents the greedy corporations, our broken political system, are xenophobic tendencies, our duplicitous candidates, the blind followers that sheepishly go along and the idiocy of the average American. Not to say Hillary doesn't represent those things either, because she absolutely does. The only thing I can really say about Hillary over Trump is that she's probably easier to keep in line. If anything nothing will change under her, we'll have the same problems as before but we won't get into WWIII over her temperament. Ahh, hell, I don't even fully believe that I just think it's less likely to happen.  

It is naïve to think things can't get worse.

Also what other choice? Johnson? I swear anyone who supports that fucker after the last 5+ interviews should probably kill themselves the guy obviously has some sort of mental retardation. Maybe mild autism. He is by far the dumbest of those 3 and I am a fucking Libertarian lol. Jill Stein (lets hope not)? Darrell Castle? I mean I can sit here and list 40+ Candidates and they ALL suck fat sweaty donkey nuts compared to Hillary and Trump which is saying a lot.

I will address ALL your opinions on Trump:

1. He represents our broken political system- Less so then career politicians with mafia style tactics I'd say. Not to mention the Clintons trying to start their own political power house family like the Bush's with Chelsea wanting to start. These powerhouses and career politicians are the #1 problem with American Politics.

2. Greedy Corporations - Yes, They are greedy. So am I. I would do the same thing they will if we continue to fuck them with the 9th highest corporate tax rate in the world. By the way the other top 8 above us are third world countries except Pakistan but Pakistan's quality of life is no where near the US. Wonder why that is that so many highly taxed nations are financial and quality of life shitholes?

3.Xenophobic - Hell me too. I hate people that abuse our system and hate americans simply because of our way of life. Fuck em. I have been to shitholes across the world and I can honestly say people are WAY more Xenophobic towards us then Trump will ever be or has ever been towards them. Except Australia...those guys liked us yanks when we were there lol.

4. Duplicitous - Oh man, does it get more Duplicitous then Benghazi and 30,000 CLASSIFIED emails being deleted and used on a personal email account? Had this been 30 years ago this would have been a court hearing lets be honest on that. Just like Bush and Trump this bitch is a criminal, only difference is she has blatantly and 100% been responsible for lost lives knowingly where as Trump is just not paying attention to his thousands of businesses.

5. Blind Following- I wonder how many women will vote Clinton cause she is a woman? I wonder how many Blacks will vote for her because she is a Democrat? I help with the polls here locally every year and I get to hear peoples nonsense every year and it is always the same banter, particular from black folks...99% of the ones I see come in vote straight democrat ballets and openly express it very vocally. Gays will also vote Democrat as will sympathizers of sexual freedom. Whether it is righteous or not it is still blind following.

The fact is BOTH of these people are assholes and criminals. Hillary has already failed as a politician especially with foreign affairs. Let's not pretend one is better then the other.

THEY BOTH SUCK.

Hillary had her chance as SoS and failed miserably even making overseas tensions worse. I want to see this idiot get his chance and when he fails we can try another idiot. The way society is going we won't ever get a good candidate anyways but if Hillary gets in and we get 16 total years of Democratic presidents I think people with Liberal minds will either be sorry or still blame Bush lol.

That will be a fun convo (Bush's eight years screwed us for 16)

Nyro said 

It is naïve to think things can't get worse.

I said earlier

If anything nothing will change under her... I don't even fully believe that I just think it's less likely to happen.

Nyro said

Also what other choice? Johnson? I swear anyone who supports that fucker after the last 5+ interviews should probably kill themselves the guy obviously has some sort of mental retardation. Maybe mild autism. He is by far the dumbest of those 3 and I am a fucking Libertarian lol. Jill Stein (lets hope not)? Darrell Castle? I mean I can sit here and list 40+ Candidates and they ALL suck fat sweaty donkey nuts compared to Hillary and Trump which is saying a lot.

Johnson is possibly dumber than Trump, so no. Jill Stein has scary ideas but I'd support her over Trump. Darrell Castle is a Republican on steroids so no. But I can't find a reason not to support Even McMullen. He seems to be a rational Republican with no corruption.

Nyro said 

I will address ALL your opinions on Trump:

You didn't, you just pointed out how they can apply to Hillary when

I already said

Not to say Hillary doesn't represent those things either, because she absolutely does.

Nyro said

The fact is BOTH of these people are assholes and criminals. Hillary has already failed as a politician especially with foreign affairs. Let's not pretend one is better then the other.

THEY BOTH SUCK.

But you're the one that said

I don't like Trump but I would support him over Hillary.

So you do support one over the other, so do I. With Hillary she can be kept in line. With a well balanced government she will have to negotiate what laws get passed. I HIGHLY doubt anybody would let Trump pass the crazy legislation he's proposed as well, but with him I think he will say or do something that will offend other countries and cause strife or maybe even a war. That danger does not exist with Hillary.

At this point it's not about the policies of the candidate. It's about who poses the biggest threat. So my support is currently with Even McMullen until I'm convinced he's worse than those two.

Nyro said

Hillary had her chance as SoS and failed miserably even making overseas tensions worse.

And Trump's comments on NATO have already started that with out him even being in office.

Nyro said

I want to see this idiot get his chance and when he fails we can try another idiot.

If he fails we might not get another try.

Nyro said

The way society is going we won't ever get a good candidate anyways but if Hillary gets in and we get 16 total years of Democratic presidents I think people with Liberal minds will either be sorry or still blame Bush lol.

That will be a fun convo (Bush's eight years screwed us for 16)  

Liberals are not Democrats, why people think that is beyond me.

To be fair, I haven't seen the job market get worse. In fact, it's grown where I am but it was never that bad here. The only negative thing I've noticed is people working harder for less. Blame goes to both Bush and Obama.

Though, strangely the focal point of the last two elections doesn't ever get mentioned this election; the national debt. Remember that thing being shoved in our faces like a doomsday clock?

I'm not very political, but I do worry about what direction our "commander in cheif" is gonna take our country. As of now... I'm still undecided about who we should elect, I mean... Fuck! What a shit show! Both candidates are snakes in the grass and I feel were fucked either way. I think if we go one direction, we get WW3 and the other direction we'll be invaded ultimately resulting in WW3. 

So I dunno, I just get nervous around election time.

Nyro said
@lucem-ferre Your views are weird. You hate the establishment of current politics yet would vote for the third most established family in politics under the Kennedy's and Bush's?

I never said I'd vote period. I said that I'd support Hillary over Trump.

Nyro said

Not to mention you twist words like a random District Attorney.

I didn't twist words, I took literal quotes. Explain how words were twisted.

Nyro said

 Also I did address your views...the same reasons you dislike Trump one could dislike Hillary for. (Also pointing out hypocrisy if you didn't get that sarcasm)

I completely got what you were doing, which is why I quoted

This

Not to say Hillary doesn't represent those things either, because she absolutely does.

To show it was not needed.

Nyro said

As for supporting Trump...I could just not vote which is all the same to me lol. Then your little pseudo intellectual retort would be nothing but a retarded child's banter. Honestly not voting has crossed my mind.

I mean, if you want to insult me and belittle me for using facts and logic go ahead.

Nyro said

If anyone fails we WILL NOT get another try. That is pretty much fact the economy is in the taint now so whoever gets elected has to do GOOD or we will be second string for a long time.

That's an over exaggeration meant to scare you. Our economy isn't quite in the taint yet.

Nyro said

You are correct on Liberals not meaning "Democrats" always and I never said that you assumed that. I insinuated most Liberals vote Democrat and they do...like 97.2% of them. At least in Texas not sure about where you live, but that is the data I have received at the polls for the last 6 years from our state capital every little packet we get to educate ourselves before running the polls.

I can't find any polls online. You made a pointless comment that referred more towards Democrats. From what I've seen liberals have abandoned their label and split in half. With Alex Jones supporting Trump and Jesse Ventura supporting Bernie, or he was.

Nyro said

Job market good? In what essence minimal wage Mcjobs? If a Job isn't giving 40+ a week, benefits and 12+ dollars an hour(if your minimum wage is &.50 in your state) or $20 an hour (if your minimum wage is $15 in your state) then it shouldn't be considered a job. It is a suffering you get minimally paid to do so that you can buy offbrand shampoo that destroys your hair and Walmart kicks that last 3 months tops.

Remember when

I said

I haven't seen the job market get worse. In fact, it's grown where I am but it was never that bad here.

To clarify that my view is only from a local stand point. Where I'm from we have gotten a ton of call center work. Typically around 11 or 12 dollars an hour. Which isn't much, but it's at least something. And I put call center work above fast food work. As for how much those jobs pay...

I said

The only negative thing I've noticed is people working harder for less.

Like, how many times are you going to try and argue my points with the same points I already made? It's like, I say "That bird is orange" and then you belligerently come at me with "Oh my god, you pseudo intellectual child, that bird is obviously a vigorous mix of red and yellow!"

Nyro said

Riddle me this and DON"T avoid the question:

Not enough people say 'riddle me this'. Just a side note.

Nyro said

Bush's economy actually started tainting in 2006 when we finally actually had to dip to fund the wars. Obama came in 2008 if I remember.

Okay, so this is going to be the Obama vs Bush finger pointing game, so let me quote myself again

King Lucem Ferre said

Blame goes to both Bush and Obama.

Nyro said

So three years of terrible economy (if you don't believe me go google the GDP % growth and Economic growth stats from .gov or whatever just spent 30 mins looking at this shit for the thousandth time in my life it seems)...anyways 3 years at a downfall economically. Now you can give Obama 3 years on so let's give him a safedate of February 2011 to be fair. From February 2011 we started with a growth rate of 4.36% by December 2011 it wen't down to 3.64%. By December 2012 3.24%.Now let's track the next few years:

December 2013: 4.31%

December 2014: 4.07%

December 2015: 3.00%

June 30th, 2016: 2.64% (Probably around 3.00% or 2.95% by years end)

I don't ever remember bringing up the GDP but I do remember posting several facts that I believe the fact that we don't make anything anymore is hurting us through out this forum. At least once. So another useless point that I agreed with and didn't need to be made.

Nyro said

Losing growth or staying close to stagnant will kill an economy fast. That is just basic common sense as the prices of things increase and the country needs growth right now more then anything.

I agree, but where is the question that I wasn't supposed to avoid?

Nyro said

Hillary was a HUGE part of the problem. She was the third most powerful person in the cabinet behind Barack and Biden. She handled MOST of the business aspect of the country pertaining to Trade and Foreign relations. Think of the SoS has the Vice principle at a school. They do the majority of the work.

Absolutely she was. But do you really think Trump wouldn't have supported it when majority of the goods he sells comes from foreign trade? He's flat out lying to you when he says he will change it and if you read between the lines he's also flat out telling you that he will take advantage of our system to grow his own business like when he evades taxes because he's 'smart' and 'a business man'. I was against the Trans Pacific Partnership long before most people were aware of it's existence but way too late to make a difference.

Nyro said

Sure being president is easier then being the SoS but how can she be trusted to pick an SoS when she didn't even make a successful one herself?  

So you would rather have Donald Duck picking your SoS as if he would really make a difference?

Most importantly, the one thing you ignored this whole time...

King Lucem Ferre said

But I can't find a reason not to support Even McMullen. He seems to be a rational Republican with no corruption.

And then said

So my support is currently with Even McMullen until I'm convinced he's worse than those two.

votes mean nothing - the internal government will stage an election to make everyone think someone was legitimately elected, when they were already chosen ahead of time. They're not gonna let average citizens make that choice, and either way the president is just a figure who is told what to do. 

Yes just under a month and this thread will finally go on hiatus for awhile

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
Yes just under a month and this thread will finally go on hiatus for awhile  

I won't let that happen.

Isn't it true that the earthquakes in Haiti were racially motivated?

sketchez said
votes mean nothing - the internal government will stage an election to make everyone think someone was legitimately elected, when they were already chosen ahead of time. They're not gonna let average citizens make that choice, and either way the president is just a figure who is told what to do.   

Despite how much I push for Johnson it's rather transparent that Clinton will be our next president and it sucks. Not because I disagree with her politics but because it's so obvious that it's going to be her. Even before she announced she was running it was clear that she was going to get it. 

"The President of the Universe holds no real power. His sole purpose is to take attention away from where the power truly exists..."  -Douglas Adams.

Honest question, 

For anyone voting for anyone other than Clinton, what do you think the chances are of your candidate actually getting elected? Obviously not what you'd like them to be or any unnecessary shots at her. I'm not talking about her politics or if you think she's right or wrong or how fucked it is or anything. I'm just curious as to if you actually think your candidate has an honest chance of becoming the president.