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3:45 am
September 18, 2012
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Pigg said
Gross.
If man came from monkey, then why is there still monkey? -Steven Crowder
Why is that any time we want to get into a healthy discussion about evolution the liberals never want to answer to the fact that monkeys are still around despite man supposedly evolving from monkeys?-Ben Shapiro
I'm not exactly saying that I agree or disagree with the current theory of evolution that many scientists on the left tend to hold up as fact, there is a lot of convincing evidence to really support this theory. How ever, I can't help to notice that when ever the discussion of evolution and the origins of mankind tend arise nobody ever acknowledges the fact that if man had developed from these apes and monkeys, or more specifically the chimpanzee, then why do these primitive forms of human still exist along side their evolved forms? -Jordan Peterson
THEY'RE LYING TO US! THOSE EVIL LIBERAL BASTARDS ARE LYING TO US TO UNDERMINE THE CHRISTIAN FAITH! MAN DIDN'T COME FROM MONKEYS! LOOK AROUND! THERE'S MONKEYS EVERYWHERE! HOW CAN MAN COME FROM MONKEY IF THERE'S STILL MONKEYS AROUND!? HUH!? CAN'T ANSWER THAT, HUH HILLARY!? YOU THINK OBAMA'S GOT AN ANSWER!? NO! BECAUSE THEY'RE LYING! GOD CREATED US AND HE CREATED US IN HIS IMAGE! I'M DAMN SURE WE DIDN'T COME FROM SOME DAMN MONKEYS!! -Alex Jones
These are my impressions of each trying to debunk evolution.
Whoop Whoop King Lucem Ferre :
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7:58 am
April 25, 2017
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I love how:
1. you all scream and demand "cliff notes" and then you ignore the "cliff notes" that I posted on page 8 and 9 when I was forced (and obliged happily) to repost the best stuff which does in fact prove Muslims raping at a disproportionate rate.
2, how you all continue to ignore how one of the snopes links basically admitted Muslim majority no go zones existed but then played the euphemism game.
3. How you all ignore the video evidence I posted of no go zones in Sweden and the article evidence I posted of no go zones in France.
4. You all continue to dodge the point of why the countries in the EU which took the less amount of migrants still have the lowest crime and how despite all that, in Poland for example, the majority of rape convictions are of non Europeans
5. This is my favourite.
Dude, if your sources and research was enough you wouldn’t need to strawman us.
Non sequitor. It's possible to still be correct AND make a strawman. However that was already explained that I made no strawman.
Why does Vinyl lie about me and Pigg saying that we’d let Muslims kill transgender people out of “progressiveness” when I’ve openly stood up for Krunk and Psyral when people like JuggaloJ physically threaten them for supporting Trump?
It’s not a lie if meant non-literally. It’s called satire. It’s a form of mockery to expose how you’re so pro Islam and pro open borders fore Europe, that you don’t listen to or care about women asking the borders to be closed to men who come from a misogynist culture. Thus my rhetorical point was this: If you don’t listen to women anymore, why would you listen to gays and trans people? Said satire is designed to make you think about your position. Expecting you to do that, hell much less getting you to address the videos about no go zones in Sweden, or the articles about no go zones in France, is like trying to teach a monkey to write Japanese. What you really are is a pigeon on a chessboard.
8:21 am
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Bullshit_asymmetry_principle
Publicly formulated the first time in January 2013[14] by Alberto Brandolini, an Italian programmer, the bullshit asymmetry principle (also known as Brandolini's law[15][16]) states that:
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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8:42 am
May 4, 2014
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When my in-laws lived/worked in some Muslim countries for Halliburton my non-Muslim mother-in-law couldn't drive, had to cover herself in a specific way in public, and attended an underground Catholic church because practicing open Catholicism was illegal. Snopes/"debunk"/debate/excuse that all damn day, but that my friends is Islam at the helm. I'll pass.
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9:44 am
April 25, 2017
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krunkazphuk said
When my in-laws lived/worked in some Muslim countries for Halliburton my non-Muslim mother-in-law couldn't drive, had to cover herself in a specific way in public, and attended an underground Catholic church because practicing open Catholicism was illegal. Snopes/"debunk"/debate/excuse that all damn day, but that my friends is Islam at the helm. I'll pass.
OH BUT THAT'S NOT REAL ISLAM! lol.
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Muslim men can't be misogynist or homophobic. Saying they might be is racist.lol
You see, in the modern church of liberal wokeness, only white people oppress women and gays. Muslim arabs with their lighter skin tone surely couldn't be racist towards blacks, right. They never enslaved them and murdered them and raped them right?
https://www.dw.com/en/east-africas-forgotten-slave-trade/a-50126759
https://www.brightworkresearch.com/criticalthinking/2017/07/african-slaves-come-form-go/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZxH4QYLRQY
Krunk, aren't you sick and tired of these mentally weak male liberals who in a desperate attempt to over-correct for the horrible white crimes in the past, they will give minorities a pass to abuse women and homosexuals? Did you also notice how after me reminding them of what they continued to dodge (no go zones in Sweden and France, the better safety for women in non immigrant receiving EU countries), they brought in a red herring and talked about idiot Christians attacking evolution? As if I'M somehow linked to them or as if it's somehow relevant? Do you see the games they are playing?
9:48 am
April 25, 2017
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Pigg said
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Bullshit_asymmetry_principlePublicly formulated the first time in January 2013[14] by Alberto Brandolini, an Italian programmer, the bullshit asymmetry principle (also known as Brandolini's law[15][16]) states that:
The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
An excuse made by a pussy who can't explain what's in front of him. I.E. Three simple videos about Sweden and three simple articles about France all about no go zones where women and police and whites are harassed and Muslims form groups of 50, wear masks and destroy ambulances.
Muslim men can't be misogynist or homophobic. Saying so is racist. LOL
10:20 am
May 4, 2014
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vinyllover said
...Krunk, aren't you sick and tired...
Not one bit. I've been a card-carrying Bible Belt heretic for decades, so I just keep grinding, while making sure the fucktardery from ALL SIDES stays off my shoes (fabulous Orlando trannies taught me how to do that.) 
YouTube Video violent j-my shine
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3:17 pm
September 18, 2012
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vinyllover said
Non sequitor. It's possible to still be correct AND make a strawman. However that was already explained that I made no strawman.
Saying that anybody said you can't criticize Islam for it's homophobia and misogyny is a strawman. Nobody said that. In fact, I said the opposite.
Saying that we said you're racist against brown people for criticizing the homophobia and misogyny in Islam is another strawman. I never once called you a racist. I called you a bigot. Towards Muslims. Claiming they're all cut from the same cloth is, of course, ignorant.
Bold faced liar, you are.
you all scream and demand “cliff notes” and then you ignore the “cliff notes” that I posted on page 8 and 9 when I was forced (and obliged happily) to repost the best stuff which does in fact prove Muslims raping at a disproportionate rate.
You think we read the whole thread to find the cliff notes?
how you all continue to ignore how one of the snopes links basically admitted Muslim majority no go zones existed but then played the euphemism game.
Actually no, it didn't. High crime areas (relative to the country) /= No Go Zones. They literally walked down the street with a cop who high five kids in one of those areas that the propaganda you're spreading says cops avoid.
How you all ignore the video evidence I posted of no go zones in Sweden and the article evidence I posted of no go zones in France.
I ignored it because every single thing you've posted has been proven to be debunkable propaganda that takes small pieces and tries to force them to a conclusion. I decided to stop engaging with this after my curiosity had me spending two hours digging into the rabbit whole of no go zones just to find out it's literally bullshit.
You all continue to dodge the point of why the countries in the EU which took the less amount of migrants still have the lowest crime
Remember when I said that immigration will always give a rise to crime because a certain amount of every population is criminal so adding more people to another group of people will always add more crime?
and how despite all that, in Poland for example, the majority of rape convictions are of non Europeans
I didn't even read this one. Is this worth looking into? Because I already debunked the Sweden claim.
It’s not a lie if meant non-literally. It’s called satire.
I didn't think you had a sense of humor to be honest. It falls right in line with the other hyperbole you believe.
It’s a form of mockery to expose how you’re so pro Islam
I'm not Pro Islam. I'm anti bigotry towards Muslims. Huge difference.
and pro open borders fore Europe,
I never said I was pro or anti open borders for Europe. I don't care what they do, it's their country. I'm just not going to believe anti-immigration propaganda. In fact, I'm open to the idea that maybe immigration is a bad thing if you can't afford it.
that you don’t listen to or care about women asking the borders to be closed to men who come from a misogynist culture.
What women? As far as I know you aren't a woman and all I'm seeing is men saying this. Radical, conservative Islam is undeniably much worse, but since when have we not already been a misogynistic culture?
Thus my rhetorical point was this: If you don’t listen to women anymore,
Which is a literal Strawman.
why would you listen to gays and trans people?
So creating an elaborate strawman based off of another strawman.
Said satire is designed to make you think about your position.
It didn't because your satire is based on a strawman. Wanting to welcome immigrants trying to flee radical conservative Islam doesn't mean I'll let them inflict bigotry on other people in the name of progressiveness.
So I'm not wrong, you're literally making shit up about me out of desperation.
krunkazphuk said
I've been a card-carrying Bible Belt heretic for decades
Can see pics of this card?
3:27 pm
April 25, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
vinyllover said
Non sequitor. It's possible to still be correct AND make a strawman. However that was already explained that I made no strawman.Saying that anybody said you can't criticize Islam for it's homophobia and misogyny is a strawman. Nobody said that. In fact, I said the opposite.
Did I say that you said that? Or was I harking back to a sarcastic video made by Pat Condell that I already posted here?
Learn the difference between a literal strawman argument, and a rhetorical exaggeration designed to mock an SJW.
3:33 pm
September 18, 2012
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vinyllover said
King Lucem Ferre said
vinyllover said
Non sequitor. It's possible to still be correct AND make a strawman. However that was already explained that I made no strawman.Saying that anybody said you can't criticize Islam for it's homophobia and misogyny is a strawman. Nobody said that. In fact, I said the opposite.
Did I say that you said that? Or was I harking back to a sarcastic video made by Pat Condell that I already posted here?
Learn the difference between a literal strawman argument, and a rhetorical exaggeration designed to mock an SJW.
Kind of, yeah, you have. Because you're trying to paint us as that exaggerated SJW. Claiming you're not is just down right dishonest.
3:48 pm
April 25, 2017
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You think we read the whole thread to find the cliff notes?
KLF further shows how dishonest and willfully blind he is. As I already started doing HERE on page 6, I was posting links to individual posts of mine that PROVED Muslims were acting criminally at a higher rate per capita to their population. I re-sorted through everything and gave the most pertinent so they wouldn't have to go digging. I fulfilled my responsibility of proving the "short version" or "cliff notes." What was his response four posts later? A thank you? A "finally you got the cliff notes version, now let's examine them"? Oh hell no. His response was TO IGNORE IT ALL, and use the rhetorical device of sarcasm himself, and make a post that had me in a quote tag saying:
some blathering shit because he doesn’t have the brain capacity to get the point and also conveniently ignored the proof.
All he had to do was read that ONE POST of mine. And he refused. So when they demand the "short version" I provide it. And then they ignore it and act like I didn't answer their first request to provide it in the first place. Klf debates in bad faith.
It took until page 8 for him to "refute" the "short version" or cliff notes I made on page 6. He didn't even try on page 7.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-8/#p246683
Basically, he threw a bbc link at me and a quora link at me that didn't even refute disproportionate Muslim crime. Hell, when I looked into the BBC article, all we found was that as more young men come into the country, crime increases OVERALL. In other words, KLF wanted to use the bbc article to argue that if the crime increased only proportionally to the immigrants when compared to white crime per capita, then that refutes my allegation that Muslims are committing crimes disproportionately. Fine. That's his argument. I understand what he was trying to say and why he was trying to use the BBC article to justify it.
But the BBC article didn't attempt to disprove the other studies I FOUND that Muslims are committing crimes disproportionately. The BBC didn't cite ONE STUDY that recorded the ethnicity of the perps which could have disproved that Muslims were committing higher crimes per population. KLF then touted this as some sort of victory because when young men come into a country, young men bring crime. Yeah THAT WAS NOT THE ARGUMENT. The argument was AT WHAT RATE? The BBC article never addressed it so it was a failure as I explained here.
Nobody is denying immigrants commit crime. Nobody is denying whites commit crime. Nice moving of the goal posts away from the original issue that you refuse to answer:
DO IMMIGRANTS IN EUROPE COMMIT MORE CRIMES IN RELATION TO THEIR POPULATION? DO THEY DO MORE ILLEGAL STUFF PER CAPITA? THE ANSWER IS YES!!!
Immigrants increase, and so does the crime. Another coincidence! I’m not sure what this bbc article is “refuting” considering KLF has REPEATEDLY IGNORED actual studies that BOTHERED TO RECORD THE ETHNICITY OF THE PERPETRATOR SINCE THAT WAS OUTLAWED (GEE, I WONDER WHY) and guess what we found? Yep, Muslims committing crimes disproportionate to their population.Hell even the cops in Norway were telling us that the majority of rapists were migrants.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/general-discussion/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/#p246148
But they’re all bigots and liars according to idiots like KLF.
The Quora article he cited actually had the nerve to falsely claim no go zones didn't exist in Germany, or Hungary. Well of course there are zero no go zones in Hungary BECAUSE THEY TOOK IN ZERO IMMIGRANTS!!! Funny how all the countries that took in Muslims developed Muslim problem areas or no go zones. So all I had left was two snopes articles. And as we saw, I caught one of them admitting that no go zones existed and that there were often Muslim majority problem areas. But they hid behind euphemisms as I already explained. Hell in that post I even provided evidence that Swedish AND Dutch police were caught covering up the extent of migrant rapes/assaults, AND the the majority of convicted rapists were foreigners.
Page 8 was the same page I posted three videos showing the existence of Muslim strongholds in Sweden where media, police, women etc are harassed when they go there. I then made a subsequent post here and another here, showing the problems of no go zones in France as well as disproportionate foreign born rapists in France.
So when KLF says he refuted evidence for no go zones controlled by Muslims in Sweden, he either intentionally skipped over those three videos, or he watched them, saw what was in them and is outright lying for some greater good: defend the Muslims. Well when you lie for a greater good and forsake truth for truth's sake, you condemn yourself.
3:52 pm
April 25, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
Kind of, yeah, you have.
What is my strawman exactly and where is the link and quote to it?
4:03 pm
September 18, 2012
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I skimmed through it, already addressed most of it multiple times so I'm good. We can, uh, we can just stop it there. To avoid the inevitable cycle of "You didn't address this!" "But I did, right here, you just ignored it!" I'm sick of repeating things and I honestly hate redundant conversations. Just one thing.
vinyllover said
KLF further shows how dishonest and willfully blind he is.
I was very honest about not watching and reading everything you post.
It's not willfully blindness it's that A) I'm lazy and this debate really sucks and B) you're often times just regurgitating the same thing over and over again to create unnecessary paragraphs out of what could be sentences. It's gigantic messes of overwhelming scatterbrained ranting.
4:05 pm
September 18, 2012
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vinyllover said
King Lucem Ferre said
Kind of, yeah, you have.
What is my strawman exactly and where is the link and quote to it?
King Lucem Ferre said
...the inevitable cycle of "You didn't address this!" "But I did, right here, you just ignored it!"
4:09 pm
April 25, 2017
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that you don’t listen to or care about women asking the borders to be closed to men who come from a misogynist culture.
What women?
So you want evidence of arab women managing to make it to the west, asking the west to close the borders to keep the men out that they fled? Okay, no problem. It's one of the things you skipped over on purpose and are now acting like doesn't exist. Post #12.
"Liberals won’t even listen to women who come from that side of the world, warning how bad it is and asking the west to please close the borders to keep the men out that they fled. What happened to “believe all women.”? Come on, regressive white liberals, where are you? I guess we don’t listen to brown women? Is that right, liberals? What are you, racist against brown women? " - vinyllover
4:13 pm
August 10, 2017
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Not gonna lie.
I like the Reeves vs. CPN debates over this.
Yeah bitches, im that short gentleman mentioned in that youtube video.
And the very nice, level headed guy from that other youtube video.
4:24 pm
April 25, 2017
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More evidence of no go zones that KLF ignored.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246172
He also ignored how the immigrants are causing the problems in Malmo, Sweden.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246175
I guess when a police station in Sweden gets bombed by immigrants, and politicians ask the military for help, it's not really a no go zones. Hell, it's not even a problem area. Police station bombings happen all the time in places like Hungary and Poland which didn't take in all those refugees.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246178
I guess when people in Sweden say there are no go zones in Sweden, they're mistaken or lying. An American who has never been to Sweden and writes for snopes will know better than anyone what's going on, right?
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246180
Migrants attacking the police in Sweden. I guess that would make it a no go zone or a problem area now wouldn't it?
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246181
Merkel admitted that problem areas or no go zones run by Muslims do exist in Germany.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/page-2/#p246183
Didn't snopes admit that these problem urban areas were often Muslim majorities? Oh yes they did. So they disproved nothing. LOL!
KLF whines and cries about strawmen he can't prove with a link or quote. He then claims his BBC article managed to refute all my studies showing disproportionate Muslim crime and yet the BBC failed to cite ONE REPORT which actually recorded the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Whereas I have cited many. He ignores no go zones in Sweden, Germany and France. He also ignores arab women PLEADING with the west to close their borders to the men they came west to flee. Before I even made this topic, I told him what I could prove about Muslim immigrant crime in Europe. He then said it sounded like "bigotry." Right off the bat, I knew he wasn't going to be seriously interested.
P.S.
Another example of arab women coming to the west and being disheartened at the liberals' refusal to close the borders and ignore Muslim misogyny.
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/forum/politics/muslim-immigrant-crime-stats-that-liberals-ignore-as-they-betray-females/#p246164
quote:
Several Muslim women I know, from several countries, have expressed to me the sadness that Western women, so-called ‘feminists’, are not supporting Muslim women in their desire not to be abused
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She says Muslim women need help. Teen-age Muslim girls are being beaten in their homes because they want to be normal teen-age girls – Wives are suffocating in hijab clothing in 35 C degree heat whilst their husbands are in comfy t-shirts & shorts
My female Muslim friend says Muslim girls & women are being terrorised with threats of eternal hell, with continual beatings, with having acid thrown in their faces, with being ostracised & made homeless by their families, with being killed
My female Muslim friend says Marine Le Pen & Geert Wilders & similar, are needed to save Muslim women from their male oppressors
CLEARLY THE MEN AREN'T ADOPTING MORE WESTERN LIBERAL VALUES! The women are telling us this and begging for help. One way would be to close the borders, cleanse the no go zones and immediately arrest and deport any and all Muslims in those no go zones that continue to harass women, whites, police, ambulance, etc.
4:32 pm
September 18, 2012
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vinyllover said
that you don’t listen to or care about women asking the borders to be closed to men who come from a misogynist culture.
What women?
So you want evidence of arab women managing to make it to the west, asking the west to close the borders to keep the men out that they fled? Okay, no problem. It's one of the things you skipped over on purpose and are now acting like doesn't exist. Post #12.
You mean the immigrant women that you don't want here but I do specifically so they can escape that. Wow, you totally got me.
"Liberals won’t even listen to women who come from that side of the world, warning how bad it is and asking the west to please close the borders to keep the men out that they fled. What happened to “believe all women.”? Come on, regressive white liberals, where are you? I guess we don’t listen to brown women? Is that right, liberals? What are you, racist against brown women? " - vinyllover
^Strawman.
4:34 pm
April 25, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
You mean the immigrant women that you don’t want here
Link and quote from any one of my posts please...
Either you're really dishonest for some reason, or you are so brain dead that you can't figure out from the whole tone of this topic that my problem is with the MEN! LOL. MEN are doing the raping. MEN are creating no go zones. MEN are doing the acid attacks. etc. It's clear who has to go. The women can stay because they aren't causing problems. Never once did I say ship the women back or use any language saying the women need to go back. The women are VICTIMS of the male OPPRESSORS.
“Liberals won’t even listen to women who come from that side of the world, warning how bad it is and asking the west to please close the borders to keep the men out that they fled. What happened to “believe all women.”? Come on, regressive white liberals, where are you? I guess we don’t listen to brown women? Is that right, liberals? What are you, racist against brown women? ” – vinyllover
^Strawman.
I think klf is slowly proving he doesn't actually know what a strawman is and what sarcastic rhetoric or even a reductio ad absurdum is.
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