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Let's reach across the aisle
April 23, 2018
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 There are tons of threads of liberals and conservatives talking shit about each other, so I figured I would try and find some common. What is a political point on which you agree with someone of the "opposing" party?

 

For example: outside of actual gender dysphoria I feel as though this whole "gender" thing is ridiculous. Mothers subconsciously treat their infants differently based on their sex immediately after birth. It is absolutely impossible to be gender neutral.

 

Let's try and keep this from deteriorating into another shit show, eh?

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Pigg said
...What is a political point on which you agree with someone of the "opposing" party?..  
 

Although I have no political party I do enjoy both Democrats & Republicans still insisting that their respective candidate won the 2016 US presidential election. Finally something about which they can agree. After all, it'$ all about the

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Pigg said
 There are tons of threads of liberals and conservatives talking shit about each other, so I figured I would try and find some common. What is a political point on which you agree with someone of the "opposing" party?

 

For example: outside of actual gender dysphoria I feel as though this whole "gender" thing is ridiculous. Mothers subconsciously treat their infants differently based on their sex immediately after birth. It is absolutely impossible to be gender neutral.

 

Let's try and keep this from deteriorating into another shit show, eh?  

I've been agreeing with rand paul a lot lately. Usually when he's criticizing trump or military strikes. I absolutely find him off the rails wrong on most issues and won't be becoming a Republican or "libertarian" anyone soon, but he makes sense here.

I also occasionally agree with trump but usually the tweets are about 8 years old and were weren't to condemn Obama for behavior that he ends up replicating. 

Do these count? 

If not I'll probably have to think about it more.

If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter

April 23, 2018
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Pigg said
...What is a political point on which you agree with someone of the "opposing" party?..  
 

Although I have no political party I do enjoy both Democrats & Republicans still insisting that their respective candidate won the 2016 US presidential election. Finally something about which they can agree. After all, it'$ all about the

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I see the entire point of the thread went over your head. Or rather, you ducked.

April 23, 2018
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Pigg said

I see the entire point of the thread went over your head. Or rather, you ducked.  

Youve been here long enough man, should have known better. I still have the new guy smell and i didnt think this would last a day... Good try tho brother.

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April 24, 2018
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Have you considered we're really all Libertarians? Lesser of 2 evils if we can flip some people, no?

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Pigg said

For example: outside of actual gender dysphoria I feel as though this whole "gender" thing is ridiculous. Mothers subconsciously treat their infants differently based on their sex immediately after birth. It is absolutely impossible to be gender neutral.

(I don't want to derail the conversation but I did want to comment on this) Yeah, so long as a child knows that they don't have to follow them, there isn't anything wrong with things that are marketed towards or associated with either gender, just as there isn't anything wrong with ignoring those things. I do see why people want to make god damn everything gender neutral, but those people clearly don't know marketing economics, or how non-enforced expectation can be fun, but not necessary, to follow. The only exceptions I can think of are stupid things that are gendered, like, why is men wearing makeup stigmatized, why can't they just do what they want.

Anyways, all that pointless shit aside, when it comes to what both parties agree on, I usually point to common enemies, I'd like to believe that the majority of each party is not okay with ideological extremism, like Anti-fa and the Alt-right (social alt-right that is). But even then there's always assholes that defend them, maybe we'll never find a strong common ground /:

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Bummer that this thread didn't pick up steam but there's still a chance, no?

My "party" would probably be "libertarian" so I guess the opposite of that would be the "socialist" party. 

At it's core; socialism is the idea that we should make sure every one is taken care of. That's an incredibly noble, humanist outlook on government and I can definitely get behind it. I strongly disagree with the approach and/or methodology of most socialist views but at it's core it's a very sincere view. They really do just want everyone to be okay. 

ADDED BONUS THAT I HOPE OTHERS CONTINUE WITH:

Something that I should change moving forward when debating/arguing/discussing/etc with the "other side" would be to actively remind myself in the most heated of moments that most people, despite how much I disagree with them, are really trying to be better people and want things to be overall better. It's a simple thing but it makes a world of difference. We are all just hairless chimps that developed a god-complex. We will all be wrong at some point or another and there's nothing wrong with that. No one has the answers and our disagreements and squabbles are just us searching for those answers. So far that realization has been very humbling when debating the "other" party. 

July 16, 2018
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Completely off topic but Mary was reading some books by one of my favorite socialist-ish writers recently. Did you happen to read any too? Her name is Octavia E. Butler and if you didn't, you should check out her parable series. It's influenced many anarchistic activists I know and though I don't think she would have called herself an anarcho socialist, I think the communities she builds in these books could be described that way.

It's scary how similar the near future is described compared to today, given that the books were written in the 90s.

The evil President in the sequel uses the campaign slogan "make America great again" and his first targets are Muslim immigrants.

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July 16, 2018
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Bummer that this thread didn't pick up steam but there's still a chance, no?

My "party" would probably be "libertarian" so I guess the opposite of that would be the "socialist" party. 

At it's core; socialism is the idea that we should make sure every one is taken care of. That's an incredibly noble, humanist outlook on government and I can definitely get behind it. I strongly disagree with the approach and/or methodology of most socialist views but at it's core it's a very sincere view. They really do just want everyone to be okay. 

ADDED BONUS THAT I HOPE OTHERS CONTINUE WITH:

Something that I should change moving forward when debating/arguing/discussing/etc with the "other side" would be to actively remind myself in the most heated of moments that most people, despite how much I disagree with them, are really trying to be better people and want things to be overall better. It's a simple thing but it makes a world of difference. We are all just hairless chimps that developed a god-complex. We will all be wrong at some point or another and there's nothing wrong with that. No one has the answers and our disagreements and squabbles are just us searching for those answers. So far that realization has been very humbling when debating the "other" party.   

I think really the issue boils down to this: what responsibilities do we think should fall upon individuals, and what responsibilities do we think should fall upon government? 

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Pigg said

I think really the issue boils down to this: what responsibilities do we think should fall upon individuals, and what responsibilities do we think should fall upon government?   

More or less but i would say

What responsibilities are individualistic and which are collective. 

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Let's reach across the aisle

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I could be described as Liberal overall in my videos on civil rights, the environment, women's choices, etc. 

However I agree with the death penalty in rare cases. I dont like the way it is done and I dont understand it (ex: someone being on "death row" for a decade or more.. what's the fucking hold up?!?!) but I agree with the basic premise that some things are too much. 

I feel like people that do things so heinous, that they have cashed in their chance to be treated as a human being. 

I dont agree with "eye for an eye" per se, either. I think certain individuals, who are beyond the shadow of a doubt 100% guilty of unspeakable acts, such as child rape, torture, murder, etc. should be swiftly euthanized. The death penalty is more of a conservative view but I agree with it in my own way, I guess.

I would even go so far as to say that these despicable individuals that commit these heinous crimes should also be tortured in some cases. It should be up to the families involved the punishment. 

It wouldn't happen often. I feel that crimes of passion can sometimes be justified morally. But when children are involved, all bets are off. Skin these fucks alive. 

On another note, I remember in 3rd grade (of all places) the teacher had us write a short essay about if we agreed or disagreed with things like welfare. Because of my friend Jamie's influence (he was in turn influenced by his own dad's ramblings) I found myself writing that I disagreed with it. We were the only 2 kids in the class that disagreed. As I got older, i grew to not love the way that system runs (it needs to be overhauled and rethought out), but I support the idea of the social programs for the needy. I've seen people who are born into it and not know how to get out, and that is a problem. I've seen people abusing EBT and such, and that is a small issue as well. But overall I agree with it. We were on EBT for two years during a rough time when I was dealing with an ex employer, but we got off it. That is supposed to be the point for most: to use it as an aid while you have it, but try your best to get off of it. Food stamps are actually good for the economy; for every $1 spent in EBT, it generates something like $1.20. Also helped us to be able to afford to eat healthier, more expensive items.

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January 29, 2020
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There's a difference between being a centrist; a moderate, and attempting to find common ground.

 

The point of this thread was to find a couple things we agree upon within the deluge of disagreement we regularly witness.

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I kinda don't get these labels bros. Like what if I'm pro choice and pro gun? Am I a liberal conservative or a conservative liberal? I wish I knew!

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the only thing I can agree on is America is better with Trump in charge

and that's only agreeing with half of you

that's the scary part is that it's 50/50 and Trump's side is the one with all the guns

if democrats somehow miraculously manage to remove him as president you will have a civil war on your hands 

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the only thing I can agree on is America is better with Trump in charge

and that's only agreeing with half of you

that's the scary part is that it's 50/50 and Trump's side is the one with all the guns

if democrats somehow miraculously manage to remove him as president you will have a civil war on your hands   

I hope it don't come to that. Valid point though. I just think it's just archaic that most countries have this two party us against them system.

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There are too many 'what if' situations that can happen that change everything.

Pro choice is only acceptable if the girl was raped. Then it's her choice to keep it or not. If you lay down with someone willfully and have a child, then that was your choice.

Now if you say you were raped and file charged against your aggressor then a different choice has been made. If you know the child is going to be mentally handicapped, physically handicapped, or have a life expectancy less than 'x amount of' years then that should also be your choice. Depending on severity.

Gun laws need to be more strict. I know people with mental disabilities that own guns. There are ways around them. That shit is scary. There needs to be more random pat downs, deeper background testings done, just all around more getting the unsafe guns off the streets. More out of the hands of the unregistered owners. 

I can find situations where every rule ever placed seems like a really bad idea. 

There's always a grey area that doesnt let me pick a 'side'.

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