King Lucem Ferre said

You are being disingenuous. You said that they threw the case out and she claimed it was death threats. I proved that was false. I proved that was a lie with evidence.

Did I say the case was thrown out? I can't find where I said that. I'm pretty sure I said "The case was dropped – According to the news it was because of death threats. According to the court documents, it was because of lack of any evidence and no one at the party could even place Trump with the girl."

And where is this proof that that statement was a lie. I went back through the thread and could not find it. Maybe I missed it.

Why have they found no connection? Maybe she's lying. Or maybe because she dropped the case over death threats.

Here is proof of him throwing a party with Epstein.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/women-sent-mar-a-lago-vip-calendar-girl-party-trump-epstein.html

“I said, ‘Donald, this is supposed to be a party with V.I.P.s. You’re telling me it’s you and Epstein?’ ” Houraney recalled. “I said, ‘Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can’t have him going after younger girls.’ ” Houraney told Trump that he had “pretty much had to ban Jeff from my events” but said “Trump didn’t care about that.”

I never said he didn't have connections with Epstein. I said he has no connections with pedo rings. The one source of the information is from William George Houraney - A vocal anti-Trumper (since his breach of contract lawsuit with Trump - He even wrote an anti-Trump book, never mentioned this event in it). Not saying that the story about girls (who were not minors) is not true but I am not too inclined to accept the veracity of it on face value.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer.....stein.html

Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre claimed in court documents that she was recruited to give Epstein massages while she was working as a towel girl at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre, who was then 15, alleged that Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell had recruited her to be Epstein’s “sex slave.”

Another woman, identified in court records only as “Jane Doe,” alleged during Trump’s presidential campaign that he had raped her at a party at Epstein’s New York mansion in 1993, at the age of 13. A Trump lawyer denied her claim, and the woman later dropped the lawsuit because she was too afraid to go through with it, according to her lawyer, Lisa Bloom.

Here is a direct connection he has to Epstein's pedophile ring because Epstein was using his club to find underage girls to rape. Oh and, the aforementioned accusation.

They went to dinner parties at each other’s houses. Trump was also on his plane, probably not as much as a lot of other people because, you know, Trump had his own plane. But they had a lot of social relationships. And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas.

 

There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.

Evidence that Trump used to hang out with a pedophile that was using his clubs to find underage girls to rape. Not only that, but the modeling agency that the pedophile used to traffic children was modeled after Trump's. That's another connection Trump has to a pedophile ring.

There have been unconfirmed claims that Trump has tried to distance himself from Epstein. According to court documents filed by a lawyer representing three of Epstein’s alleged victims, Trump banned his former friend from Mar-a-Lago because he “sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.” But the same lawyer later said in an interview that he was unable to confirm that claim, though he did emphasize that Trump was cooperative and helpful as he built his case against Epstein.

I do not discount any of that but does that link him to a pedophile? Depends on how you want to link it. Can we now say that anyone who has had business dealings with him is linked? There are many people who have a "link" to him. He was a rich socialite. Should we claim all those people are linked too? We can and it would technically be a link, but does the link mean that the person is also a pedophile or is connected to a pedo ring because they did business with that person? The DOJ (not the current administration but Obama's) attempted to find a link and by their definition, the link was nothing more that business and social. They did report that Trump was very cooperative with providing all information they requested. 

I just don't see him linked to a pedo ring. I see he had links to a person who is a pedophile. His statements that praised Epstein are from when he was a businessman. Look at all the statements he made about people during that time. They were typical for him. When you are working with someone or have business dealings with them, you don't publicly say bad things about them.

So you believe this is true with out confirmation but don't want to believe the guy that literally raped his own wife perhaps could have raped a 13 year old in a pedophile's house that he's had known connections with.

Allegedly... He may have but in the court of law, he did not. I am not sure what the definition of a literal rape is. Maybe you mean "actually"? I will never say a person could have or could have not done something. Anything is possible. I have to go with results of court cases and results of FBI investigations. If the investigations did not conclude anything or if the courts didn't find guilt, then in this country he is not guilty by law. Anyone can accuse anyone else of something and if we allow accusations to be the determination of guilt, then we no longer need the courts. In a huge country with such a political divide 

Despite the 2002 comment in New York, a lawyer for Trump denied that he and Epstein had a social relationship, according to the New York Times. Another denial came in 2015 when Gawker published Epstein’s contact list, which contained what appeared to be every conceivable number for reaching Trump and his wife. “Mr. Trump only knew Mr. Epstein as Mr. Trump owns the hottest and most luxurious club in Palm Beach, [redacted], and Mr. Epstein would go there on occasion,” the lawyer said.

Hey look, it's Trump lying about knowing the pedophile despite the fact we knew he hung out with the pedophile. That looks suspicious. 

If Trump or His Administration Wanted to Interfere in the Case, Could They?

Yes. Attorney General William Barr could legally do so and has repeatedly shown a willingness to put loyalty to Trump above all else — though he did tell Congress he might recuse himself from Epstein-related cases since he worked for one of the firms behind Epstein’s controversial plea deal.

Oh, so there's a possibility that Trump may be directly involved with a pedophile ring but could completely get away with it because of the Attorney's loyalty? That doesn't totally sound like a corrupt deep state to me.  

Yes he could. But the investigations into Trumps connection with any pedophile ring were from 2015 and 2016 before he was president. This was still the Obama administration's DOJ and AG. They could not find any connection and I am pretty sure they looked as hard as they possibly could.

This all comes down to whether I believe the media (who's veracity is under question) or the FBI and Court results. Since these events were looked at before he became president by a DOJ that was not on his side, I tend to lean towards believing their findings over the media. 

I believe (my opinion) that this will amount to nothing for Trump. This is part of the BAMN tactics against him. It will pass as more investigators digs into the people and events involved. 

Black Rain is actually my favorite lotus project.

I would rank it:

Black Rain

TFTLP

TMWAB

Opaque Brotherhood

Idk why but opaque Brotherhood is just stale to me.

Shaggy sounds worse on "Heinous" than on any song in black rain.

I remember listening to Freek Show while playing Fable in middle school.

I remember renting this GameCube game. Some sort of customizable mech fighting game, similar to armored core. Played it all night and day for a week and bumped Wizard of the Hood the whole time.

Old Mr Dangerous said

Cool, sort of like the Dark Side of Oz thing...

https://youtu.be/p6HHA4y6G5g

My homie and I used to get high and be amazed how music would interplay with commercials or wrestling shows.

The Warlock said

Pigg said
Idk why but opaque Brotherhood is just stale to me.

listen to it while playing a good desert level/game..
I feel like some games can bring out more depth in albums.. especially juggalo/fantasy albums..  

Especially "Black Sand". Reminds me of Mario desert levels.

Pigg said
Black Rain is actually my favorite lotus project.
 
I would rank it:
Black Rain
TFTLP
TMWAB
Opaque Brotherhood
 
Idk why but opaque Brotherhood is just stale to me.
 
Shaggy sounds worse on "Heinous" than on any song in black rain.  

I like some of his verses on there. "What have I DOOONE?!" part is dope.

I swear that my favorites of DL albums is exactly the opposite order than yours lol.

Opaque and Mud Water can change at any time in my top 2, but I actually feel those to be the most cohesive and atmospheric albums by them. Sometimes Tales is number one, just due to production and overall fun songs. But never would I ever out Black Rain up there.... go have yourself a nice jerk session to Doornail Dorothy you sick fuck hahahahah

Shaggy is worse on "Hell House". I dont even understand what the fuck he is talking about without reading the lyrics. Also on "That's Me". He sucks so bad that it sounds like the very beat recoils in horror over his nonsensical jabbering. He becomes the Ned Flanders of The Wicked Shit, for one beautiful paragraph. 

I'm such an ass, as I am wearing a Shaggy 2 Dope shirt right now. But I am what I smoke: blunt.  

I think the production does it for me, too. Black rain has wonderful production, and J is in top form. So is mono. CYSIB is my favorite rydas album, too.

Also, black rain was released during Psy's golden era, which just so happens to be the time when I starting getting heavily involved with Psy. There's a lot of nostalgia affecting my decision.

On opaque Brotherhood shaggs sounds like he wrote verses without hearing the best and just tried to force em in there.

King Lucem Ferre said ...

Where are you getting that I am lying. I am posting exactly what I find. I avoid news site and ESPECIALLY Snopes which other fact checking sites have discounted their "fact" checking.  I use .gov sites. I use scribt document archiving site. I use non-algorithmic search engines. I find them to be much more reliable and generally contradict many of what the "news" sites report.  And "using all the public information we have"? Why do the leave out so much that is public on .gov websites that discount what they are reporting. They don't seem to be using "all". They are only using all that agrees with the direction they want to push the narrative. With Google and other tech giants being caught using methods to sway public opinion, I definitely don't use google when looking for documents or articles about Trump. 

And you keep saying "literally" raped his ex wife. She seems to disagree with you... When interviewed about it she said "That was all just the lawyers' talk" She clarified and said she did not accuse him in "a literal or criminal sense". In her deposition she said "I wish to say that on one occasion during 1989, Mr Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness which he normally exhibited toward me, was absent. I referred to this as a "rape," but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense." ... You can interpret it as "literal rape" but this is not how she saw it. This is public record. 

Oh and it is NOT 4chan. It is 8chan. Not really a big issue, most of the media gets it wrong to this day. But I have said that I don't really believe that Q is some insider. It is possible. But Q never posts information. He posts questions and points at various events to explore and research. Never gives any info. The quotes from the chans of Q posts are very rarely ever a real Q post. They are just other anons posting their own thing. If the media understood tripcodes, they would know that Q never said any of the things they keep attributing to him. They still attribute Q to being Micro which when he was challenged to post on the chan with the code to produce Q's actual tripcode, he was unable to do so. Micro is a true troll. I have followed him through his various incarnations (close to a 100) and he changes his "personality" and "beliefs" with each incarnation. On some he was a white supremacist. On some he was an ally of black nationalism and claimed he hated korean jews - not all jews, just the korean ones. He has been for Trump. He has been against Trump. He's been a socialist, a capitalist, an anarchist, a supporter of LBGTQ, a hater of LBGTQ. When he creates a new incarnation he picks a new persona and new target group to troll.

I don't think we will ever agree on any of this. I will not take info from most news sites as factual. They may be true but I choose to look at .gov sites with info dealing with government investigations. I don't even post about Fox news anymore since I keep finding inconsistencies with them too. I tend to find the DOJ has more resources at their disposal than any "investigative" reporter and it tends to contradict what some of them report. Many news articles are almost copy/pastes of info from other "news" sites with added commentary and when you trace down where the info originally surfaced, you generally find something that would not hold up or even be allowed in court. 

I like Trump and I think he is doing a far better job than most presidents before him. What I see from the media are coordinated smear attacks. And like all the prior attacks, this one will go nowhere because what they want to be true at the core is not. A lot is going to come out in the next year that will destroy a lot of the "old guard". Huber, Wray, Barr (and even Sessions before him) have lined up 1000's (not an exaggeration) of more attacks against them with solid evidence than they have against him. We are about to witness the destruction of what America was about to become before the Trump "situation" happened and threw the whole plan into disarray. America was rapidly falling away from Article IV section 4 of the Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government". We will return to Republicanism (true Republicanism - Not GOP's interpretation) and we will be using every means at our disposal. 

I don't believe Trump is a fascist unless you go with the new re-definition that many dictionaries have adopted after Trump was elected that now includes "nationalism" and in some they include "patriotism" so that they can say he fits the definition of a fascist.