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TWIZTID-this should be posted in the mainstream forum, thats where they wanna be anyway
August 20, 2013
7:24 am
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First off, everyone knows now that twiztid are nothing but whiny bitches, leaving PSY via TEXT? Bitch move. Mono is so goddamn arrogant now, I cant sit thru an interview. Money hungry, trying to get FAMILY to pay 100 bucks for some fag FAM CLUB CLICK, now once again they are double dipping AGAIN with that horrid, horrid mixtape. Fuck the juggalos who pre ordered it, now you need to buy it AGAIN from itunes to get bonus songs. Fuck them, and blaze to, he was barely cutting it on PSY (I loved him and twiztid till now) and he thinks he's going to make it on some no name cracker jack label? LOL I was one of the Juggalos that got FUCKED out of my VIP pass when these dicks showed up late, and ganked us. Im a juggalo from the riddlebox era from ICP, not twiztid.

Nice business move you turncoat fags. #in twiztid we trust   MY FUCKING ASS. I'll watch them flame out with glee

August 20, 2013
8:16 am
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boo-hoo ! cry bitchy !

K R U S H - K I L L - D E S T R O Y !

August 20, 2013
8:48 am
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August 20, 2013
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wow this guy is really upset. twiztid will be fine psychopathic is not a standard record label and twiztid got tired of that shit. j said it himself they are happy where psy is right now and don't wanna get bigger. twiztid wants bigger and better things for themselves cant blame em for it. also new nightmare is releases again because they have a distribution deal with selectohits I think. not there idea.....go jerk off to terror wheel homo

August 20, 2013
9:23 am
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Hate to say it but dudes got a point to some extent. That FAM Club shit was a nice fuck you to broke ass fans like me and just seemed like a rip off of that BaxWar bullshit, those new bonus tracks on round 2 of this mixtape doesn't make them look any better (like they can't send an e-mail with those mp3s to their fam club or mailing list? Or at least to those who paid for the original pre-order?) and I never heard anything about them making up or refunding those VIP passes (did they?) so I dunno there, but really since they left it seems like they've had their hand out looking for loot and that definitely pushes me away from wanting to purchase their products/tickets to shows at the moment.

I look at it like this however, if they're really about to open up shop with a label of their own or maybe a joint venture with KMK or something they need to rally the initial funds together some way or another, but at this point I'd rather see Blaze doing 15 for the Juggalos out back of the venue to get that cash instead of them trying to run the pockets of whoever is willing to turn them inside out. I'm enjoying Twiztid's videos at least so far a lot more than their shit on Psy, so I'm just riding this out till they get the hang of things and get back into their groove. If this next record starts sounding like the hardcore Hip Hop duo I came to respect and love, I think they'll blow this shit out the water and do just fine, but if its more of those hybrid emo instrumentals with features whining all over them I really doubt it's going to matter how great their pen game is, and they're gonna need those new fans. Seems like it went from dope hardcore rap with a taste of metal tracks laced throughout the albums here and there to rapping over the majority of metal-ish attempted rap instrumentals with one or two actual Hip Hop songs. WICKED, H&H, and even a lot of Abominationz sounds hella similar to me for trying to do something different on every album.... Not hating, just calling it how I see it from the outside. I want my Twiztid back!!!

 

Much Love!

August 20, 2013
9:52 am
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white people "problems" make me laugh.

August 20, 2013
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Ha I'm glad you got fucked, hound dog. It should teach you a valuable lesson about paying money to meet someone. You deserved to have your money ganked because you choose to waste it. My advice: sit down and shut up.   

August 20, 2013
10:11 am
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blah blah blah...We've been over this fam club shit already. Go cry about it in one of the other 5 threads. Don't make a new thread to keep bitching about the same shit. Nobody made you pay for it, and it's filled with collectibles for the juggalo collector. There is also a 100% free version.

 

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August 20, 2013
10:16 am
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This post is ridiculous for a few reasons:

 

  • Why is "mainstream" synonymous with bad?
  • How can anyone say their rapping has gotten worse? They are using more complex rhymes than they ever have.
  • They didn't know they were getting national distribution, and they said it was actually a first that the distributors didn't make them push back the record.
  • It sucks that you got screwed on your VIP, and you should definitely receive a refund, but you sound like someone who is just overly loyal to a label and are mad that these three left.

Now to a matter of more personal opinion: Am I the only one who practically hated W.I.C.K.E.D., only liked 1 or 2 songs off HOH, but absolutely loved Abominationz? Abominationz is my favorite record since Green Book, and I really, really enjoy a New Nightmare

August 20, 2013
10:24 am
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piggofdoom said

  • Why is "mainstream" synonymous with bad?

cuz people are closed minded..

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August 20, 2013
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It probably has more to do with most "mainstream" music being devoid of artistic integrity and created by A&R teams, not artists. It is music designed to appeal to the most people possible. It's like comparing a watered down mass produced lager with a fine handmade batch of craft beer. The lager is good enough for 80% of the people drinking, but those in the know can not stand the watery "flavor" and demand quality that can not be maintained on a large production scale. It's just a matter of taste really.

August 20, 2013
10:43 am
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The Last album I truly enjoyed from a Regular mainstream rap artist was.....I cant even remember,90% of the music rappers put out in the last 10 years has been just God awuful.

August 20, 2013
10:51 am
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Guest said
It probably has more to do with most "mainstream" music being devoid of artistic integrity and created by A&R teams, not artists. It is music designed to appeal to the most people possible. It's like comparing a watered down mass produced lager with a fine handmade batch of craft beer. The lager is good enough for 80% of the people drinking, but those in the know can not stand the watery "flavor" and demand quality that can not be maintained on a large production scale. It's just a matter of taste really.

Well I'll drink whatever beer I fucking want lol, but honestly I think sometimes artists make music and it just happens to appeal to people. For example: Macklemore is 100% independent, Thrift Shop became a huge hit, and now some of his other songs have. Does that make him devoid of artistic integrity? He has a song on his album talking shit about a label exec that tried to sign him. I would say Kendrick is the same way, and Odd Future. I still think Drake is bullshit, but for example Even Kanye and Jay-Z have a huge amount of creative control. 

 

On the real though, Fuck Yeezus, but you can't tell me Graduation wasn't a great album.

August 20, 2013
10:56 am
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Eminems Recovery was actually a solid album. 

August 20, 2013
11:01 am
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dood said
white people "problems" make me laugh.

Racist scumfucks who don't have the balls to make a "white" anything comment to a real white boy's face cracks me the fuck up. What burbs are you from lil fucker? Get the fuck off the internet and play that shit with real PEOPLE, laugh my ass off when one of them little 110lb colored kids smack you the fuck up for even wasting your thought process on shit like that.

August 20, 2013
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In the music industry what sounds like a great story is often just great fiction.

Indie, defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary:  Indie is one that is independent; especially: an unaffiliated record or motion-picture production company.

For decades, indie artists have had little to no success at securing Top 40 or Rhythmic radio airplay. The secret marriage that co-exists between radio and the major labels, for decades has stifled independent artists. The case for Macklemore is no exception.

This article’s is to clear up misconceptions about Macklemore recent so called “independent” success: The single “Thrift Shop (Featuring Wanz)” has been certified platinum and viewed 82 million times on YouTube, the album The Heist, which debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard charts after selling 78,000 copies in October, has been accompanied by sold out tours and by all means is a great project.

The long Macklemore career growth and stragtegies are more than admirable. It’s what every artist strives to attain. But it’s almost impossible for anyone trying to get into the business especially when numerous outlets are reporting Macklemore’s “independent success.” Outsiders think it’s easy. But you do not have commercial success without spending major dollars. Period.There are a ton of articles written about Macklemore being independent.

‘Thrift Shop’ is seemingly a hit everywhere – except radio stations that specialize in rap, that is, writes Gary Trust for Billboard.

A Hip Hop record without  Urban radio airplay? The truth is and will always be majors will always put money into the hands of radio programmers.  The unique difference is the case of Macklemore is ‘Thrift Shop’ went Pop not Urban. Payola, continues to be the music industries little secret. Without it Indie artists have no chance to rise up the charts to prominence. History is living proof and Macklemore’s ‘Thrift Shop’ is no exception.

Only promotional dollars can give you access to a radio audience of  over 200 million people like Macklemore has received. That’s the only way you sell 2 million singles and 300,000 albums. Being white in Hip Hop makes it easier than being black in Hip Hop, these days. There’s a reason why ADA, Alternative Distribution Alliance signed them up. A talented white Hip Hop artist is hard to find these days. Eminem, Mac Miller, Yelawolf and Machine Gun Kelly, are in a rare class of a watered down genre of commercially mainstream artists.  White people love Hip Hop and are the bulk of the purchasers in the digital download era. Macklemore, is a sonically pure to the art form and a familiar face to white people who love Hip Hop.

So let’s put that Indie myth to rest for Macklemore. You can’t attain success like Macklemore, unless you’re part of the big machine. Radio’s gatekeepers would never allow it. To go Pop and be No. 1 on the Billboard Top 100, money has to change hands. It’s a great record, but do you wonder why less than 5 percent of Urban/Black radio is playing it. The machine says no.

According to the ADA about page, during 2009, Warner Music Group (WMG) enhanced its independent distribution business by combining Ryko Distribution with ADA to create an independent label service company that provides a suite of services including physical and digital global distribution, physical production, merchandise production and distribution. ADA started in 1993 to focus on independent music business.

Macklemore, has been around releasing mix-tapes since 2000. Add ADA and parent company Warner Music Group into the mix and that formula screams success. So lets put that “Indie” success story to rest permanently.

And remember don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

 

Source- http://thegrio.com/2013/02/06/.....white-lie/

 

The No. 1 song in the country right now is "Thrift Shop" by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, a rap group out of Seattle. Their claim to fame: They got the song to the top of the chart by themselves, without being signed by a major label.

They've bragged about this success in a video spoof and on Twitter.

But the story they've been telling — the story that's been widely reported — is not entirely true.

The truth is that Macklemore and Ryan Lewis hired a company to help them get their music into stores. That company, Alternative Distribution Alliance, is an arm of Warner Music Group, one of the most major of the major labels.

Still, the rise of "Thrift Shop" is something new. It's an indication of a power shift away from the major labels to the artist themselves. Clearly, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis accomplished a lot on their own.

The rap group spent their early years hustling and playing small clubs like a lot of acts. But they also used technology to build a devoted following on Twitter, Tumblr and YouTube.

They eventually got to the point where their touring was so successful that they could have been signed by a major label.

Instead, they went a different route. Macklemore and Ryan Lewis took the money they'd made from touring and made their own album — a process that digital technology has made much cheaper.

To get their album to the top of the charts though, they needed help.

"You really cannot get a radio hit at this point without major label backing," says Gary Trust from Billboard.

Even in today's world of iTunes and YouTube, you still need the radio to become a superstar, Trust says. So Macklemore and Ryan Lewis hired Warner Music Group to get the band more radio play. That helped propel "Thrift Shop" to No. 1.

Yes, artists can do a lot on their own today. But to get to the top of the charts, they still have to work with a major label.

Source- http://m.npr.org/news/Business/171476473

August 20, 2013
11:06 am
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This post is ridiculous for a few reasons:  

  • Why is "mainstream" synonymous with bad?
  • How can anyone say their rapping has gotten worse? They are using more complex rhymes than they ever have.
  • They didn't know they were getting national distribution, and they said it was actually a first that the distributors didn't make them push back the record.
  • It sucks that you got screwed on your VIP, and you should definitely receive a refund, but you sound like someone who is just overly loyal to a label and are mad that these three left.

Now to a matter of more personal opinion: Am I the only one who practically hated W.I.C.K.E.D., only liked 1 or 2 songs off HOH, but absolutely loved Abominationz? Abominationz is my favorite record since Green Book, and I really, really enjoy a New Nightmare

 

Was just saying if they didn't keep that pen game proper and push out another one of these wannabe metal sounding albums I don't see them getting a good foot forward even with how great their recent lyrics have been. And nah, WICKED took a loooooong time for me to get accustomed to, and I still only like maybe 3 or 4 tracks off there. Same with H&H and Abominationz, I couldn't give the album a solid listen through more than once. Lift Me Up is my shit off that album though. Down With Us and Monstrosity are my joints off New Nightmare.

August 20, 2013
11:13 am
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Oh look, more bitching and whining about old news. Fuck over it kiddo.

Blood rains down from an angry sky! My cock rages on! My cock rages on!

August 20, 2013
11:14 am
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And to chime in on the mainstream rapper portion, I know it was released independently after being held hostage by the majors for like six years or some shit, but both Greatest Story Never Told along with Bread and Circuses wasn't bad at all. I was pretty impressed with Saigon's "One Foot In The Grave" mixtape as well, more so than his albums.

 

Much Love!

August 20, 2013
11:19 am
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Guest said
In the music industry what sounds like a great story is often just great fiction.

Indie, defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary:  Indie is one that is independent; especially: an unaffiliated record or motion-picture production company.

For decades, indie artists have had little to no success at securing Top 40 or Rhythmic radio airplay. The secret marriage that co-exists between radio and the major labels, for decades has stifled independent artists. The case for Macklemore is no exception.

This article’s is to clear up misconceptions about Macklemore recent so called “independent” success: The single “Thrift Shop (Featuring Wanz)” has been certified platinum and viewed 82 million times on YouTube, the album The Heist, which debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard charts after selling 78,000 copies in October, has been accompanied by sold out tours and by all means is a great project.

The long Macklemore career growth and stragtegies are more than admirable. It’s what every artist strives to attain. But it’s almost impossible for anyone trying to get into the business especially when numerous outlets are reporting Macklemore’s “independent success.” Outsiders think it’s easy. But you do not have commercial success without spending major dollars. Period.There are a ton of articles written about Macklemore being independent.

‘Thrift Shop’ is seemingly a hit everywhere – except radio stations that specialize in rap, that is, writes Gary Trust for Billboard.

A Hip Hop record without  Urban radio airplay? The truth is and will always be majors will always put money into the hands of radio programmers.  The unique difference is the case of Macklemore is ‘Thrift Shop’ went Pop not Urban. Payola, continues to be the music industries little secret. Without it Indie artists have no chance to rise up the charts to prominence. History is living proof and Macklemore’s ‘Thrift Shop’ is no exception.

Only promotional dollars can give you access to a radio audience of  over 200 million people like Macklemore has received. That’s the only way you sell 2 million singles and 300,000 albums. Being white in Hip Hop makes it easier than being black in Hip Hop, these days. There’s a reason why ADA, Alternative Distribution Alliance signed them up. A talented white Hip Hop artist is hard to find these days. Eminem, Mac Miller, Yelawolf and Machine Gun Kelly, are in a rare class of a watered down genre of commercially mainstream artists.  White people love Hip Hop and are the bulk of the purchasers in the digital download era. Macklemore, is a sonically pure to the art form and a familiar face to white people who love Hip Hop.

So let’s put that Indie myth to rest for Macklemore. You can’t attain success like Macklemore, unless you’re part of the big machine. Radio’s gatekeepers would never allow it. To go Pop and be No. 1 on the Billboard Top 100, money has to change hands. It’s a great record, but do you wonder why less than 5 percent of Urban/Black radio is playing it. The machine says no.

According to the ADA about page, during 2009, Warner Music Group (WMG) enhanced its independent distribution business by combining Ryko Distribution with ADA to create an independent label service company that provides a suite of services including physical and digital global distribution, physical production, merchandise production and distribution. ADA started in 1993 to focus on independent music business.

Macklemore, has been around releasing mix-tapes since 2000. Add ADA and parent company Warner Music Group into the mix and that formula screams success. So lets put that “Indie” success story to rest permanently.

And remember don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

 

Source- http://thegrio.com/2013/02/06/.....white-lie/

 

The No. 1 song in the country right now is "Thrift Shop" by Macklemore and Ryan Lewis, a rap group out of Seattle. Their claim to fame: They got the song to the top of the chart by themselves, without being signed by a major label.

They've bragged about this success in a video spoof and on Twitter.

But the story they've been telling — the story that's been widely reported — is not entirely true.

The truth is that Macklemore and Ryan Lewis hired a company to help them get their music into stores. That company, Alternative Distribution Alliance, is an arm of Warner Music Group, one of the most major of the major labels.

Still, the rise of "Thrift Shop" is something new. It's an indication of a power shift away from the major labels to the artist themselves. Clearly, Macklemore and Ryan Lewis accomplished a lot on their own.

The rap group spent their early years hustling and playing small clubs like a lot of acts. But they also used technology to build a devoted following on Twitter, Tumblr and YouTube.

They eventually got to the point where their touring was so successful that they could have been signed by a major label.

Instead, they went a different route. Macklemore and Ryan Lewis took the money they'd made from touring and made their own album — a process that digital technology has made much cheaper.

To get their album to the top of the charts though, they needed help.

"You really cannot get a radio hit at this point without major label backing," says Gary Trust from Billboard.

Even in today's world of iTunes and YouTube, you still need the radio to become a superstar, Trust says. So Macklemore and Ryan Lewis hired Warner Music Group to get the band more radio play. That helped propel "Thrift Shop" to No. 1.

Yes, artists can do a lot on their own today. But to get to the top of the charts, they still have to work with a major label.

Source- http://m.npr.org/news/Business/171476473

Well if we are going by this logic, than ICP isn't "Underground" anyone on Psy or Strange aren't "underground", NO ONE with nationwide distribution and records in stores is underground.

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