7:30 pm
March 31, 2012
Cheshyr said
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!?THEY *DELETED* THE FUCKING VIDEO AND IT DOESN'T EXIST ON YOUTUBE?!?!
THAT IS SOME FUCKING BULLSHIT TO THE Nth DEGREE!!!!
"If we said it we meant it..."
UNTIL WE FUCKING DELETE IT!!!
I'm just a few days out from having seen their Mostasteless Show and they go and BITCH US OUT on some censorship shit...?
Somebody better come back with another copy of that Bake N Bruch video or EVERYONE needs to fuckin' get pissed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUmK_iPkj8
what kind of juggalo isnt subscribed to this ninjas page...
t-kief420 said
I'm neutral when it comes to this grown man drama.
no, youre not..
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Cheshyr, SPOOKYtheFUNGI7:57 pm
November 22, 2016
Cheshyr said
ARE YOU SERIOUSLY FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!?THEY *DELETED* THE FUCKING VIDEO AND IT DOESN'T EXIST ON YOUTUBE?!?!
THAT IS SOME FUCKING BULLSHIT TO THE Nth DEGREE!!!!
"If we said it we meant it..."
UNTIL WE FUCKING DELETE IT!!!
I'm just a few days out from having seen their Mostasteless Show and they go and BITCH US OUT on some censorship shit...?
Somebody better come back with another copy of that Bake N Bruch video or EVERYONE needs to fuckin' get pissed!
What are you talking about? The video hasn't been deleted.
here it is facebook .com/Twiztid/videos/1662953507058373/
Whoop Whoop T.O. :
Cheshyr8:24 pm
October 30, 2013
@t-o
https://faygoluvers.net/v5/2017.....ch-n-bake/
Search youtube with the search keywords Twiztid Brunch N' Bake and the date... and it don't come up.
OG, I'm sorry. I guess I didn't check EVERY OTHER PLATFORM even though most if not all vids are repeated on their YouTube Twiztid Official page that shows that they supposedly haven't uploaded a Brunch N' Bake since 2016...
Not to mention... fuck a Facebook. I don't get my news from there.
The video @scottied posted to the article attached to it is GONE and there are NO entries on YouTube corresponding to that specific date and "Brunch"
Sooo... I guess Scottie is "The Bitch" in all this? Pfft.
"Making a statement" and then making that statement hard to find... is still bullshit.
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8:44 pm
November 22, 2016
I don't know whether there's something wrong with your browser but the video in the post Scottie put up is still there https://faygoluvers.net/v5/2017.....ch-n-bake/ . The original video never has been deleted. There are some browser extensions that are blocking content from facebook (like "Disconnect"). Maybe you are using one of those and that is why the video doesn't show up for you. But nobody deleted anything in this. Neither Twiztid nor Scottie.
8:45 pm
January 28, 2016
9:58 pm
April 25, 2017
10:04 pm
April 25, 2017
http://www.npr.org/2017/09/15/.....ington-d-c
3. Are they a political group?
No, just fans of Insane Clown Posse. But back in 2011, the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center decided the Juggalos were a "loosely organized hybrid gang," like the Crips, Bloods and MS-13. The annual Gang Threat Assessment report said they engaged in criminal activity and violence.
"Crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic, disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simple assault, personal drug use and possession, petty theft, and vandalism. However, open source reporting suggests that a small number of Juggalos are forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robberies, and drug sales. Social networking websites are a popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate and expand."
And, there have been at least two instances where Juggalos have been violent. Earlier this year, a Wisconsin man was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in prison for using a machete to cut off a woman's pinky finger and drinking her blood. This was all to honor a Juggalo who had died. In 2014, two men tried to carve and burn a tattoo from their housemate's arm because they thought he had disrespected the fan group.
4. What does Insane Clown Posse think about all of this?
The band sued the Justice Department and FBI over the gang classification in January 2014, saying it had adversely affected Juggalos. The lawsuit demands that the Juggalos be removed from the Gang Threat Assessment list.
As Patrick Flanary explained to NPR, "there were only two crimes that were cited by the FBI study back in 2011. One had to do with a violent home invasion, where a Juggalo was suspected and later convicted; and there was another violent crime associated in 2012. But as lawyers pointed out, this doesn't apply to every person who claims he or she is a Juggalo. It isn't fair just because this group depicts violent images, talks about very crude murder scenarios."
The ACLU filed the lawsuit on the band's behalf and in a statement announcing it, Michael J. Steinberg, ACLU of Michigan legal director, said:
"The Juggalos are fighting for the basic American right to freely express who they are, to gather and share their appreciation of music, and to discuss issues that are important to them without fear of being unfairly targeted and harassed by police. Branding hundreds of thousands of music fans as gang members based on the acts of a few individuals defies logic and violates our most cherished of constitutional rights."
A judge dismissed the lawsuit initially saying the case was problematic because "the report did not directly order police and other officials to any particular action against the Juggalos," according to The Hollywood Reporter. A federal appeals court reinstated the case in 2015.
10:06 pm
April 25, 2017
You can indeed start reading about Juggalos on page 24.
http://www.npr.org/documents/J.....ggalos.pdf
On page 38, you can see Juggalos identified as gang members because they say Juggalos and other gang members have served in the military.
Native american gang members, operating on numerousreservations throughout the United states, are emulatinghispanic gangs such as the Barrio aztecas, Norteños,and sureños; african american gangs such as the Bloodsand Crips; and predominately Caucasian gangs such asthe Juggalos.
NON TRADITIONAL GANGSHybrid Gangsthe expansion of hybrid gangs—non-traditional gangswith multiple affiliations—is a continued phenomenon inmany jurisdictions nationwide. Because of their multipleaffiliations, ethnicities, migratory nature, and nebulousstructure, hybrid gangs are difficult to track, identify, andtarget as they are transient and continuously evolving.Furthermore, these multi-ethnic, mixed-gender gangspose a unique challenge to law enforcement becausethey are adopting national symbols and gang membersoften crossover from gang to gang. hybrid gangs are ofparticular concern to law enforcement because mem-bers often escalate their criminal activity in order to gainattention and respect.hybrid gangs, which are present in at least 25 states,are fluid in size and structure, yet tend to adopt similarcharacteristics of larger urban gangs, including theirown identifiers, rules, and recruiting methods.11like most street gangs, hybrid gang members commit amultitude of street and violent crime.12law enforcement reporting suggests that hybrid gangs have evolvedfrom neighborhood crews that formed to expand drugtrafficking, or from an absence of loyalty to nationallyrecognized gangs in their region.•law enforcement officials in many jurisdictionsnationwide report an increase in juvenile gangmembership and violent crime among hybrid andlocal gangs, according to 2010 NGiC reporting.•NGiC reporting indicates that hybrid gangs aredominating nationally recognized gangs in somejurisdictions and merging with other gangs toexpand their membership.the Juggalos, a loosely-organized hybrid gang, are
rapidly expanding into many Us communities. althoughrecognized as a gang in only four states, many Jug-galos subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage incriminal activity and violence. law enforcement officialsin at least 21 states have identified criminal Juggalosub-sets, according to NGiC reporting.•NGiC reporting indicates that Juggalo gangs areexpanding in New mexico primarily because theyare attracted to the tribal and cultural traditionsof the Native americans residing nearbymost crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic,disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simpleassault, personal drug use and possession, pettytheft, and vandalism. however, open source reportingsuggests that a small number of Juggalos are formingmore organized subsets and engaging in more gang-likecriminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robberies, and drug sales.social networking websites are apopular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to commu-nicate and expand.•in January 2011, a suspected Juggalo membershot and wounded a couple in King County,Washington, according to open source reporting.13Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure withintheir groups, coupled with their transient nature, makesit difficult to classify them and identify their membersand migration patterns. many criminal Juggalo sub-sets are comprised of transient or homeless individuals,according to law enforcement reporting. most Juggalocriminal groups are not motivated to migrate basedupon traditional needs of a gang. however, law enforce-ment reporting suggests that Juggalo criminal activ-ity has increased over the past several years and hasexpanded to several other states. transient, criminalJuggalo groups pose a threat to communities due to thepotential for violence, drug use/sales, and their generaldestructive and violent nature.•in January 2010, two suspected Juggalo associ-ates were charged with beating and robbing anelderly homeless man.1
https://www.wired.com/2013/03/fbi-juggalos/
Two Drug Busts Made the FBI Think Insane Clown Posse Fans Were a Gang Threat
Newly disclosed documents reveal the genesis of one of the strangest recent tales of the volatile mixture of clown makeup, youth culture, drugs and law enforcement – one that prompted a 14-month FBI investigation that was ultimately fruitless.
In 2011, the FBI curiously listed the Juggalos in its 2011 report on national gang activity. Juggalos were more than just goofy kids who sprayed themselves with soda at Insane Clown Posse festivals. In the bureau's eyes, they were a "loosely-organized hybrid gang" that's "forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity." But it gave little reason for understanding the concern.
Muck Rock, a Massachusetts company that built a web tool to help journalists, activists and lawyers file Freedom of Information Act requests, sought to answer the question. Its discovery: local Utah police arrested two Juggalos on drug charges in March 2011, leading an FBI agent in Salt Lake City to open a sprawling investigation into "the structure, scope and relationships pertaining to the captioned violent street gang."
The drugs, and the amounts of them, are unspecified in the disclosure. Nor is it clear if individuals wore Juggalo makeup at the time of their arrests.
An unnamed agent in the Salt Lake City FBI's Safe Streets/Gang Unit wrote to his or her superior on March 15, 2011 that "Juggalo crimes" in several states included "drug sales, possession and child endangerment," which fit a pattern of "crimes typically seen by gangs or gang members."
"Insane Clown Posse can't get its music on the radio," the agent explained, "but claims to have 1 million devoted fans who call themselves 'Juggalos' or 'Juggalettes,' and sometimes paint their faces to look like wicked clowns. Some continue the dress by carrying small axes, like the cartoon hatchet man associated with the band." Among the "recurrent themes" of the Insane Clown Posse's music: "murder, rape and and suicide."
The agent proposed an investigative plan to use "a variety of lawful methods" to learn more about the gang activities of the Juggalos. '[I]nvestigators must start with and work at length at street-level drug purchases of smaller amounts of drugs, surveillance, gang member debriefs, witness debriefs, confidential human source recruitment, and other traditional or non-sophisticated techniques," the agent wrote.
The Salt Lake City office informed the central Washington bureau of the investigation. Seven months later, the FBI's nationwide gang task force warned that, among other fears, "social networking websites are a popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate and expand."
And yet the FBI couldn't pin so much as a shoplifted Faygo on the Juggalos. On May 4, 2012, the Salt Lake City division "recommended the captioned cases be closed." Next to "outlaw motorcycle gangs" "Surenos Gang Sets" and "Nortenos Blood Gang Sets": "Juggalos."
It remains to be seen if the FBI will continue to warn of a gang threat from the Juggalos. But the Insane Clown Posse actually sued, fruitlessly, to get the bureau to disclose the basis for investigating its fans.
"It's cool that ICP really cares enough to hold the FBI accountable," says Tom Nash, Muck Rock's news editor. "They never approached us. But we'd be very interested in working with them."
10:34 pm
October 30, 2013
@t-o
Fair enough.
Uhhh... When I pull up the article, the space where Mono's vid should be, there's a big blank space like there SHOULD be a video...
Maybe that's on me an' my 'puter...
But the fact that I couldn't find the video itself...
All the same... I "retract my detraction" seeing as so many others can apparently see what I wasn't able.
[end]
More than anything else... Jamie screaming out that "... there is no list!" and Mono talking about "...show me the DOCUMENTATION!!!..."
Heh... that's some bitch shit a Juggalo can talk about at length...
HEY! Let's all pull up the MANY MANY MANY threads talking about "Non-Disclosure Agreements"!
Let's talk about the IGNORANT who don't know the difference between a NDA and a "Non-DISPARAGEMENT AGREEMENT"!
If Twiztid has some shit to talk but are the ONLY ONES (ie EVERY OTHER artist that left PSY) that seem constrained... "SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTATION!!!".
It seemed to me that ICP left all their shit at the doorstep of @scottied 's interview... "ASK THEM!!!"
See... Twiztid isn't gonna get their nose cut off in spite of their face... It's a good face. I like it. I like what that face has to say. I've continued to PAY to hear what that face has to say...
What's gonna bite them in the ass...? ...is the eventual copyright infringement lawsuits that will require them to forfeit all proceeds from any and all products containing blah blah blah... New Line & Paramount don't give a SHIT whether or not Twiztid is down with Sid Hague or Kane Hodder... There's a REASON Kane isn't "ALLOWED" to put on a hockey mask at conventions!
But fuck all that...
I'm SO down for Twiztid... but to hear them say that shit like anyone affected by the FBI label IS A LIAR???
Gnaw.
I'm not down with that AT ALL.
I've seen it. I know. They do too.
They just want to steal my Robot Bee!
"Yes, yes! So you blame me for your horrible life! Blah Blah! BIG DEAL!!!"
"For longer than I can remember,
"I've been looking for someone like you..."
"Someone with a head like yours and a torso too."
"...birds sing..."
"...AND YER GONNA PAY!!!"
"THE END!"
"Your lack of online social presence makes it difficult for me to predict your needs..." - 2064: Read Only Memories
10:43 pm
October 30, 2013
oh---kay... so for some reason now, I can't post videos anymore....? Just the links?
Somehow... I've manged to fuck the process of coping an address, posting it as a POST and only get a link to show up?
What have I been doing BEFORE that was easier than what I need to do now?
"ALL OF THE SUDDEN"... I can't see shit anymore?
SHENANIGANS!
#rosemcgowanisanutbar
"Your lack of online social presence makes it difficult for me to predict your needs..." - 2064: Read Only Memories
11:17 pm
October 30, 2013
12:35 am
April 25, 2017
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/juggalos-fans-insane-clown-posse-protest-fbi-gang-label-n800311
Juggalos, Fans of Insane Clown Posse, to Protest FBI Gang Label
The 34-year-old was dumbfounded.
The threat group, it turned out, was Juggalos — the nickname for fans of her favorite band, the horrorcore hip-hop duo Insane Clown Posse — who had been designated a gang by the FBI five years earlier.
Bonometti had liked some posts and photos on Juggalo-related Facebook pages that she said were "pretty innocuous" by fan standards. On her own page, a meme with the catchphrase "Wicked for Life" had caught the attention of higher-ups, her case file shows.
"They took my badge and credentials," said Bonometti, a George Mason University graduate who hasn't been able to find a new position since being terminated in March 2016. "I didn't just lose a job. I lost my entire career."
This Saturday, Bonometti is headed to the nation's capital to tell her story publicly. The occasion is the first-ever Juggalo March on Washington, organized by Insane Clown Posse's Detroit-based record label, Psychopathic Records.
Psychopathic publicist Jason Webber said demonstrators will demand the FBI rescind the 2011 gang report that allegedly exposed law-abiding Juggalos to harassment and discrimination by police, employers and others.
"What we hope to get out of it is to get the attention of the entire world and the FBI and other political forces to drive home a simple but powerful message: Juggalos are not a gang. They are a musical subculture and family," Webber said.
He said up to 3,000 Juggalos are expected on the National Mall, site of many of the country's most historic civil rights rallies, and the band is slated to cap off the day with a concert.
Jared Osburn, 29, just lost his job but is prepared to spend his last $1,000 to get to from Kansas to Washington, even though his Juggalo status hasn't caused any problems for him.
"But I don't want to see that day come and I'm sure as heck not going to stand by and let it happen to other people," he said. "People who are going to commit crimes are going to commit crimes whether they listen to Justin Bieber or ICP."
Solana Patterson-Ramos, 29, a community organizer from Milwaukee who is also attending the rally, seconded the double-standard sentiment. "If this happened to Beyonce, to the Beyhive, people would go crazy," she said.
Not all Juggalos are down with the march. In online forums, some questioned whether it was a mere publicity stunt, rolled their eyes at the promotion of one event as a "Gangsta Party," and fretted that protesters would get rowdy or clash with a pro-Trump rally taking place nearby.
Aware that any bad behavior would undermine the message, Webber warned fans not to treat the march like the Gathering of Juggalos, an annual festival of clown-faced carousing.
"This is a serious public demonstration," he said. "This is not a chance to party and wild out."
Insane Clown Posse has been wilding out for almost three decades. Founding members Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope's lyrics — often gory, sometimes silly — are full of violent, misogynistic and anti-police imagery.
Juggalos take their name from the title of a song that includes the line: "Got a chopped-off head chilling in my lap." Many wear the social-outcast badge as proudly as they do scary-clown makeup and tattoos of the band logo: a man running with a hatchet.
And there's no argument that Juggalos have been involved in hideous crimes. Two are serving life for the 2009 murder of a Pennsylvania man hacked with a meat cleaver. Another was jailed last year for chopping off a woman's pinky and drinking her blood during a ritual.
More than a dozen states have identified Juggalo cadres involved in criminal activity, and by 2010 they had been declared a gang in four states. But the real controversy began the following year when an FBI report deemed Juggalos "a loosely organized hybrid gang."
While the report noted that "the majority of fans exercise their lifestyles in a peaceful manner," Insane Clown Posse supporters complain it opened the door to profiling by police, military recruiters, and even family court judges.
"Calling the Juggalos a gang will justify criminal investigations, drones over concerts, more military equipment for local police, and ominous threats of arrest and prosecution," said Professor John Hagedorn, a gang expert at the University of Illinois-Chicago.
The ACLU of Michigan filed a federal lawsuit to force the FBI to disavow the label, and a hearing to determine if the case goes forward will be held next month.
"At first, I didn't think it was a case we were going to be interested in, but the more I looked into it, I realized it was really a quintessential civil liberties issue," said the ACLU attorney, Michael Steinberg.
"At first, I didn't think it was a case we were going to be interested in, but the more I looked into it, I realized it was really a quintessential civil liberties issue," said the ACLU attorney, Michael Steinberg.
"No one disputes the fact there may be certain Juggalos out there engaged in criminal activity, but it’s not because of their support of the music or the affinity with other Juggalos. It's no different than Yankee fans committing crimes with a Yankee hat on."
Although the FBI hasn't withdrawn the 2011 language, it also didn't include Juggalos in subsequent gang assessments. In a statement, it said the earlier report was based on information supplied by states and "specifically noted that the Juggalos had been recognized as a gang in only four states."
[break] So what that means is the FBI wants to have their cake and eat it too. If Juggalos are not a gang, then FUCKING DISAVOW AND WITHDRAW THE 2011 ASSESSMENT. - vinyllover [/break]
"The FBI’s mission is to protect the American people and uphold the Constitution. We investigate activity which may constitute a federal crime or pose a threat to national security. The FBI cannot initiate an investigation based on an individual’s exercise of their First Amendment rights," it said.
That's little solace to Bonometti, who has been looking all over the country for a job but has to disclose on every application that she was fired because of her Juggalo connection.
A fan since she was 14, she's drawn to ICP's "shock and awe" raps and embrace of misfits and dismisses graphic lyrics as "dark humor" that no one is supposed to take seriously. She only knows a few other fans so the idea that she was using social media to support a gang struck her as ludicrous.
"Ninety-five percent of my Facebook page is Boston terrier puppies," she laughed.
Bonometti appealed her firing, but the hearing officer upheld it, even though he concluded she was not a gang member and found it was debatable if Juggalos were a "security threat group." Now she's planning to sue the Virginia Department of Corrections, which did not respond to requests for comment.
Sgt. Michelle Vasey of the Arizona Department of Public Safety, who educates police across the country about Juggalos, said it's "unfortunate" when ordinary fans get mistaken for possible gang members.
"Does it happen? Sure," she said, recalling a time when an Army recruiter called to ask if he should stop a Juggalo from enlisting. "There are times when it can get convoluted."
Nevertheless, Vasey said, Juggalo gangs are a real threat, controlling criminal activity and sowing fear on some Arizona Indian reservations the way Bloods or Crips might run a street corner or housing project.
"I don’t think it should be removed," she said of the FBI gang designation. "It’s too many instances where these guys are involved in criminal activities." As for those just in it for the music, "maybe they need to come up with a different name," she suggested.
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July 18, 2013
I don't care how they feel about the march, they didn't want to go because of ICP and their problems with them, so of course they have to make an excuse for not going or wanting to participate.
what is more alarming is the denial of being associated with that slow your roll track, and acting like they never knew about it. that's really sad, I'm glad esham called them on it, do you guys think that this, among other things will bring icp and esham back together? seems like its happened already, heres to more music from them HOPEFULLY!!
8:05 am
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May 22, 2012
Jason Caffey said
I don't care how they feel about the march, they didn't want to go because of ICP and their problems with them, so of course they have to make an excuse for not going or wanting to participate.
i think twiztid should just say, 'look, we never even considered goin, cuz we fuckin hate em, all right?'
assuming that is the case. which is a damned fair assumption.
excuses are annoying.
and a bottom-line explanation like that coulda cut off all the excuse-making before the questions were even asked.
for real, if they had said that shit a year, two years, three years ago... we would all be over it by now.
Whoop Whoop scruffy :
Rizzle, bayAreaShamanawfully paranoid, arent you?
8:20 am
October 8, 2014
SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
peep out Drunkninjamast jr youtube channel...Vid is titled MoNo Brunch and Bake 101117
Hell muthafuckin YEAH Drunkninjamast is the TRUTH. That dude finds fuckin jems!!!
He just posted some '96 Hallowicked Line and merch video, OG Juggalos. AND fuckin KGP and Madness opening up for ICP that Hallowicked.
He re-posts ALL of those Brunch N Bakes, he's like the Faygoluvers of YouTube, the one stop shop.
Whoop Whoop djscrubb :
SPOOKYtheFUNGI8:30 am
March 30, 2013
Twiztid just seems so fucking scared about something. Their apprehension is cracking away into flight. Are they afraid of Jumpsteady revealing details about their all-night-anal-antics during that day off the tour in Nashville? Are they fearful that Psychopathic will release that track that was supposed to never leak, you know, the one about each of their STDs? Each rapper rapped under a different STD character? How embarrassing!
HPV Madrox
Monoxorrhea
Syphillis 2 Dope
Violent AIDS
Blaze, Ya Dead Herpes
Anybody Crabba
Whoop Whoop Old Mr Dangerous :
bayAreaShaman, Chuckieboy8:41 am
October 8, 2014
Jason Caffey said
I don't care how they feel about the march, they didn't want to go because of ICP and their problems with them, so of course they have to make an excuse for not going or wanting to participate.
what is more alarming is the denial of being associated with that slow your roll track, and acting like they never knew about it. that's really sad, I'm glad esham called them on it, do you guys think that this, among other things will bring icp and esham back together? seems like its happened already, heres to more music from them HOPEFULLY!!
yeah man, Esham and ICP are back. I seen at least Esham going to one of the shows and afterwards they went out to the stripclub. This was all from IG btw.
Now Sham is saying Fuck Twiztid, basically sticking up for ICP. Come back Esham, come back!!!!
Edit:
I'm with ya 100% on the Slow ya Roll Track. Whaaat, whooooo....Meeee/!?!?? Madrox....come on bro. one fuckin word. Pathetic. That was the stalest thing I've ever heard him talk about.
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