Like, yall don't realize that if it weren't for Twiztid this culture wouldn't be what it is. What ICP did for Twiztid was just as beneficial to them as it was for Twiztid. So fuck your little score counts. 

And Majik Ninja Entertainment is an all around stupid fucking name regardless of context.

If it weren't for Twiztid this culture wouldn't be what it was? Very true, but Juggalos existed before them. And music aside, I hate a lot of what they did bring to the culture. And Lucem Ferre, your argument made zero sense, Esham did EXACTLY what ICP is doing right now, dragged their name through the mud. What was Violent Js response to all the shit he did? hmm and I quote "oh yea he made a song about MURDERING me on Halloween night, so needless to say we aren't talking right now, but he was still a major influence and the reason ICP is what it is today"

Twiztid on the other hand as YOU SAID one point in their career admitted that they were going to quit music if not for ICP, yet NOW they wanna claim they owe them nothing and were gonna get a record deal regardless? Bitch please.

The real of the real of this, J has obviously gone a little crazy with jealousy over the success of Twiztid and seeing them run off with so much support from his own fans. Sound familiar? It's literally the same as why Esham was so bitter and talking so much shit. But ICP always recognized their roots and wouldn't dare disrespect someone they know they'd be nothing without. 

Twiztid on the other hand are flat out EMBARRASSED that they spent 15 years on a label as another mans bitch because they didn't have the balls to go do it on their own. Twiztid wanted to leave 5 years into their time at PSY, why did they wait another 10 years? They were scared! DJ Fillin even talked about how Twiztid and Blaze wanted to leave but they were scared they'd lose the Juggalo fans base. So they swallowed their pride for a decade and kept their nuts tucked. Until a rapper named Tech N9ne came along, and showed Jamie and Paul you can live off the the Juggalo fan base without being part of PSY, then all a sudden their nuts drop. They finally stand up for themselves and go out into the world (now that their in there 40s lol) and they immediately forget why they have an opportunity to feed their families to begin with. The irony of them (or any Juggalo for that matter) seriously hating (I crack jokes on the regular) on Joe Bruce is such a paradox I don't even feel I need to explain it.

Some Jehovah Witnesses came to my door right now I started talking about the Quran and they just left.... awesome.

JuggaloJ said
If it weren't for Twiztid this culture wouldn't be what it was? Very true, but Juggalos existed before them. And music aside, I hate a lot of what they did bring to the culture. And Lucem Ferre, your argument made zero sense, Esham did EXACTLY what ICP is doing right now, dragged their name through the mud. What was Violent Js response to all the shit he did? hmm and I quote "oh yea he made a song about MURDERING me on Halloween night, so needless to say we aren't talking right now, but he was still a major influence and the reason ICP is what it is today"

Twiztid on the other hand as YOU SAID one point in their career admitted that they were going to quit music if not for ICP, yet NOW they wanna claim they owe them nothing and were gonna get a record deal regardless? Bitch please.

Twiztid kissed their asses harder than J kissed Esham's this whole time up until recently and even then the only things they are saying is "See how J isi?" and "We woulda made it with out them" which does contradict the 50 times Monoxide said he was going to quit. But you got to understand it. Little fuckers like you get on their backs and tell them they owe their lives to J. Over a mutually beneficial deal. You guys are the only people that do that shit. Like people don't say that Ice Cube and Dr. Dre owe their lives to Jerry Heller. No, it's only juggalos. So let's stop pretending that there is some special reason why Twiztid are douche bags that need to always kiss J's ass for giving them a mutually beneficial business deal. Let's get to the real reason you're mad.

The real of the real of this, J has obviously gone a little crazy with jealousy over the success of Twiztid and seeing them run off with so much support from his own fans. Sound familiar? It's literally the same as why Esham was so bitter and talking so much shit. But ICP always recognized their roots and wouldn't dare disrespect someone they know they'd be nothing without. 

Esham pissed off because every rapper from Detroit stole his style and blew up and he hardly got acknowledged for it. Except for ICP. ICP also fucked Esham over on the business side with money. And also forced him to stop calling himself Unholy. I think acknowledging where they came from, just like Twiztid has always acknowledged what ICP did for them, is good. But I don't think ICP needs to kiss Esham's ass just as Twiztid doesn't need to kiss ICP's ass. You know the real difference between the situations? When Esham talks shit, he's not the cult leader with direct tap into the juggalo minds. Nobody gives a fuck. ICP on the other hand when they talk shit on Twiztid they can't ignore it. Especially with all the juggatrolls on twitter rubbing it in their faces every five seconds. When ICP blew up and created a whole culture on the back bone of Esham, he gained absolutely nothing from it. When Twiztid got their careers started by making a business deal with J, Joe made money off of it. It was a great business decision on Joe's part. So this whole thing is a farce and lets get to the real reason you are mad.

Twiztid on the other hand are flat out EMBARRASSED that they spent 15 years on a label as another mans bitch because they didn't have the balls to go do it on their own. Twiztid wanted to leave 5 years into their time at PSY, why did they wait another 10 years? They were scared! DJ Fillin even talked about how Twiztid and Blaze wanted to leave but they were scared they'd lose the Juggalo fans base. So they swallowed their pride for a decade and kept their nuts tucked. Until a rapper named Tech N9ne came along, and showed Jamie and Paul you can live off the the Juggalo fan base without being part of PSY, then all a sudden their nuts drop. They finally stand up for themselves and go out into the world (now that their in there 40s lol) and they immediately forget why they have an opportunity to feed their families to begin with. The irony of them (or any Juggalo for that matter) seriously hating (I crack jokes on the regular) on Joe Bruce is such a paradox I don't even feel I need to explain it.  

I agree with all of that except the Tech N9ne part because Tech's fan base isn't even a third juggalo.

No. They did not immediately forget anything. They still jacked J's dick off all the time like they did when they were signed. I'm sure everybody is grateful for having past jobs but nobody is going to sit there years later after a fall out with the company kissing it's ass for the opportunity. That's complete bullshit. Because the fucking deal was mutually beneficial. Twiztid made them money. Twiztid helped mold their culture. Twiztid helped with ideas. ICP did not give them a fucking hand out.

So we get to the real reason you have a problem. Nobody is aloud to hate on the cult leader.

King Lucem Ferre said

just like Twiztid has always acknowledged what ICP did for them

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Just in case people don't believe you that they still show love even after everything that has happened.

JuggaloJ said
Lucem Ferre I have actually enjoyed this little argument, and a lot of points you try to make in your attempt to "school me" I actually agree with, you have me mistaken for someone who is really mad and up and arms about all this, I'm really not. I don't follow a cult leader, not even close. I think immense amounts of shit J does is stupid and whack as fuck. The march is a perfect example. And as I even stated in the line you tried to spin against me, I make fun of ICP all the time. As a matter a fact, unlike most of these dickriders who actually got mad at Young Wicked for the shit with Robs daughter and then jumping ship, I thought the shit was HILARIOUS!! You gotta understand Iv thought AMB and Young Wicked were whack as fuck from the start and I hated that they kept them around and continued pushing them. So when it came back to bite them in the ass I laughed so goddamn hard at Js personal life problems on that one. But he's my cult leader? I guess damn me for having appreciation for the man directly responsible for so much entertainment and influence in my life...

I think the real thing here is you, just like Twiztid, hate Joe Bruce's guts. But yet you jock Kanye West all day, the ULTIMATE example of someone who is talented as fuck, but also a psycho ego inflated asshole...yet for some reason here you are on a Juggalo web site hmmm 

Oh and everyone has love for Shaggy, I never doubted that, he's the fuckin man. We all know it's J that's the big asshole everyone hates.  

FTFOMF > anything MNE has put out yet  

It's not that. I just don't think everybody owes Joe their life and needs to kiss his ass 100% of the time. They show him all the appreciation in the world and it's never enough. Like, you guys treat anybody who has any following of juggalos that they aren't shit and wouldn't ever be shit with out Joe. Joe gets enough credit, he has enough, give everybody else their credit too. Especially when you try to but into their beef and shun Mono for the one time out of 100 that he didn't kiss J's ass with no clue about what exactly has been done to them behind the scenes.

Kanye might be an ego-maniacal ass at times, but he has never told a culture or many artists he has brought up, inspired and showed off that they wouldn't be shit with out him. And his impact on hip hop culture as a whole is greater than any other artist in the past 10 years. Undeniably. People deny it because of his few out bursts that get completely blown out of proportions by the same kind of people that blow the one time out of 100 that Mono said they coulda made it with out ICP out of proportions.

JuggaloJ said
I just think Twiztid is ashamed of the fact they live in ICPs shadow. Fans throw that in their face and they get insecure and show their true colors. What was wrong with just getting their hustle on and letting their success be their own revenge? Instead they've become so big headed they're either   

A. delusional 

B. purposely bullshittin to downplay shit

just shut up and be humble!! On that note I'm done /  

It's B. and because they are fucking humans. To be told over and over again that shit is demeaning especially for how much work they have put in. 

Pigg said
I don't like anything on MNE's catalog, and I think what they did with Otis (if what ICP says is true) was really fucked up. Normally I would brush that aside to J being a manipulative prick, but Shaggy legit looked like he was about to break down crying in that FLH interview. Shaggy. You could read him through the paint.

I can't knock them for their hustle though. I just choose not to support them.  

J looked like he was going to legit cry in that interview.

Either they're the best actors in motion picture history, or they were being honest. The latter.

Truth is, I just realized, the Clowns don't have any reason to pay the labelmates any attention other than for personal concern. They've already made it big. Once again, people, how many times do I have to TYPE this? 

Icp doesn't HAVE to do anything.Them bastards do give a fuck.