Hey Novo!

I don’t know any of these Artists you mentioned but I can tell you i’m working on the Revolution of the Music Scene/industry don’t worry!

I’m not sure how to tell u this bro, but it sounds like you have aids

Just listened to a few of those artists & they seem mostly hilarious, pimpy Nerdcore. Maybe ur less angry now (or angry at something new?) Hope all those barely legal Playboys™ haven’t given you

Novocaine, The Blue Collar King said
I have been  gravitating to ‘new school’ hip hop for the last few months. started out with just international acts (keith Ape, Higher Brothers, Rich Chigga, Scarlxrd etc) but slowly ive been gravitating to american acts. 

I can barely stand most music ive loved for the past 2 decades. I cant even listen to wicked shit anymore without yawning and flipping past it. 

I feel you. The Underground/Indy scene can get rather repetitious. Rappers bragging about how anti-mainstream they are is just as played out as the mainstream shit they’re rebelling against at this point. 

I even feel ya on not liking some of the stuff you use to like. I went thru the same thing and am skeptical of anyone that hasn’t tbh. It lasted for years with me and in that time I found a lot of great artists that I otherwise would have never found. It helped me see that the line between “mainstream” and “underground” is mostly trivial at this point. It has been since the internet became a widely available thing. It’s hard to claim underground when you have a dedicated following, regularly get 5 million views and the “mainstream” artists that you’re complaining about only has passive fans and only get played on FM radio (a medium that has been dead for a very long time), ya know?

Novocaine, The Blue Collar King said

Show me an underground artist who isnt bagging out mainstream for the same reason they have been forever and ill give it  a listen.  

Good on ya for trying. Dunno if these will do it but it’s three examples of indy artists taking the norm in the underground and spinning it in a unique way. 

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It’s hard to pick one song from Prof to give as an example because he has quite a few different styles but this one captures the weirdness that he brings to every style he touches. 

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Ho99o9 takes semi-typical underground tropes and does…this with em. 

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This song is about weed and murder BUT GIVE IT A CHANCE. The whole album “Necronomichron” is about evil weed and the effects thereof. A.X.E. is similar to Ho99o9 in that they’re taking underground tropes and giving them new life. This song is a decent representation of the album but the whole album is meant to be listened to from start to finish. Complete with commercial interruptions and whatnot.

Hope you dig some of these but if not, keep doin your thing, man. Fuck a label. 

Novocaine, The Blue Collar King said
Aye.

So i have the need to pontificate.

I dont know whats happening to me. Is it MY fault or the underground music scene?

 

I have been  gravitating to ‘new school’ hip hop for the last few months. started out with just international acts (keith Ape, Higher Brothers, Rich Chigga, Scarlxrd etc) but slowly ive been gravitating to american acts. 

I can barely stand most music ive loved for the past 2 decades. I cant even listen to wicked shit anymore without yawning and flipping past it. 

At first i didnt think anything of it, but ive caught myself singing XO tour life and rockstar near non stop all week.

 

I get the feeling ‘indie’ hip hop has sat stagnant so long theres literally nothing interesting left. At least these new guys are trying to innovate something new. I dunno. I agree with Murs saying Migos are innovators. and it scares me. ALOT

Feel free to tell me im a retard.

 

/rant.  

I’ve felt this way for a long time, welcome to what I’ve been told is the pretentious post-juggalo phase.

The thing is, I think a lot of newer rappers have that same misfit dark weird violent vibe that drew a lot of us into horrorcore in the first place. They even wear colored braids, just replace the face paint with tattoos. I think people who hate on newer rappers that are our age are actually the ones who really are the disgusting trend riding sheep that Warlock described. More juggalos would see what we see in them if they would just think for themselves and listen with an unbiased ear. But breaking sheep mentality is hard to do. People who follow these trends will literally fabricate reasons to hate on newer rappers.

Personally, I feel like a misfit in this culture and even among my own circle of friends because I don’t fetishize chopper rappers and goofy white dudes who think they are lyricists because they finally learned that you could rhyme more than one syllable.

And yeah, I feel that the underground has become everything they hated the mainstream for while the mainstream is where innovation is happening the most these days simply because of the internet is what creates stars rather than industries forcing stuff down our throats. Been saying that for the past year or so.

Anyways, like what you like and fuck what the others think. It doesn’t matter how popular or obscure an artist is, enjoy and celebrate what you truly enjoy. Don’t let any of these other fucks tell you how to think or that you are any less of a person for it. These things are so arbitrary and the facsimiled culture clones that berate you for not thinking inside their box are just desperately trying to find meaning through a manufactured identity sold to them by those that benefit from their predictable and uninspired actions resulting from the low self esteem our society pounds into each other.

I think the explanation is pretty obvious here Novocaine. You are insane, and you are a scatterbrain, duh.

I’ve just learned that a lot of musical tastes for me go in cycles. I listen to so many different kinds of music that I might go a while without listening to a certain band or genre of music, then eventually I come back to it with perhaps a new appreciation. ICP is actually a huge example of that for me. I was obsessed from ’98-’05 or so and then jus kind of grew out of it, or so I thought. I was in college at the time, played in a reggae/rock band, and just kind of fell off and didn’t keep up. Then in like 2013 or 2014 I started listening again to some old favorites and then eventually listened to all the music I missed during my hiatus and I’ve been all about it once again. Not that I’m a huge fan of some of their newer shit, but each album has had some cool shit to enjoy and I of course really love the first 6. 

Another example for me is The Beatles. I love those mother fuckers, who doesn’t? But I sometimes will go like a year or more without listening to them and then next thing you know I fucking go through the whole catalog out of nowhere. It just happens. It’s always good to be open to all sorts of music and there’s so much of it out there that stuff you used to love will just go to the side for a while. 

classic juggalo shit is pretty much the only rap ive been listening to lately.. i also listen to a lot of different types of electronic music, and pop stars like miley cyrus and katy perry.. haha, so im definitely not the mainstream-hater type.. generic commercial rap just hasnt appealed to me since the crunk era.. as the new commercial rap era’s get old and nostalgic, then they grow on me.. but i cant listen to artist who sound identical..

haha, i dont make it a point to stay hip to modern commercial rappers.. are you claiming they dont sound identical?? cuz even in the mainstream they complain that too much people are imitating the migos.. i cant listen to generic hair-metal either tho..

The Warlock said
haha, i dont make it a point to stay hip to modern commercial rappers.. are you claiming they dont sound identical?? cuz even in the mainstream they complain that too much people are imitating the migos.. i cant listen to generic hair-metal either tho..  

You’ll listen to generic back packers though.

And no, because XXX didn’t have a machine behind him. He came up on his own and as far as I know he’s still independent. He also doesn’t sound like Migos and Migos are not the originators of that sound. Kendrick is commercial and sounds nothing like them. Danny Brown is commercial. Run The Jewels is commercial. Travi$ Scott is commercial. Big Sean is commercial. Vic Mensa is commercial. Migos is commercial. Drake is commercial. None of those acts sound a like at all. Well, Drake sounds like Big Sean.

The acts that Novo linked are not very commercial at all. They are the soundcloud rappers, dudes that blew up usually for social media antics with no ‘machine’ backing them. In fact, they typically have less backing than lesser known back packers. 

Calling them ‘acts’ instead of ‘artists’ is just completely pretentious dribble. XXX raps, sings and plays instruments. I think he may even produce and he puts out original pieces that have meaning in it regardless of how ‘fake deep’ people think it is. That video it’s self is a perfect example.

And for the sake of consistent definitions, mainstream is something that is generally appreciated across the population. Commercial is something that is intended to sell or market something. Kendrick Lamar in basket ball games. Lil Yaghty in Sprite commercials. Run The Jewels doing alcohol commercials. Drake in pretty much everything. Artists that typically play it safe and the music is usual very poppy and predictable, though obviously the rules have changed in the last decade.

Though, with you being somebody who admittedly doesn’t listen to any of it because your sheepish perception I don’t understand why you are giving any sort of input at all because you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t go out of my way discussing the state of modern jazz music, personally, because I don’t listen to it and wouldn’t have any clue what I was talking about.