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March 23, 2015
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Weren't the zetas founded by people with Special Ops training? I would not want to be on the receiving end of anything they would want to do for retaliation, and you KNOW they would be going after civilians. It is hard to uproot Mexican cartels without uprooting a lot of the government as well. I know this because most government officials critical of cartels in Mexico in any sense other than rhetoric end up dead.

we up rooted the Taliban (or Al Quida[splng] or what ever it was) by uprooting Saddam... i fail to see the difference. 

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March 23, 2015
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Pigg said
Weren't the zetas founded by people with Special Ops training? I would not want to be on the receiving end of anything they would want to do for retaliation, and you KNOW they would be going after civilians. It is hard to uproot Mexican cartels without uprooting a lot of the government as well. I know this because most government officials critical of cartels in Mexico in any sense other than rhetoric end up dead.

we up rooted the Taliban (or Al Quida[splng] or what ever it was) by uprooting Saddam... i fail to see the difference. 

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Pigg said
Weren't the zetas founded by people with Special Ops training? I would not want to be on the receiving end of anything they would want to do for retaliation, and you KNOW they would be going after civilians. It is hard to uproot Mexican cartels without uprooting a lot of the government as well. I know this because most government officials critical of cartels in Mexico in any sense other than rhetoric end up dead.

we up rooted the Taliban (or Al Quida[splng] or what ever it was) by uprooting Saddam... i fail to see the difference. 

it only took what 12 years? and then some feelgood hippy had the nerve to question the soldier who shot that big ol sand mankey in the face.... fucking americans.

 

illegals = military weapons test subjects

simple solution. any who survive get free citizenship.

March 23, 2015
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but with this i think we should impose tighter security on the boarder, like 24hr sniper over watch, and if an individual is caught carrying 20lbs of heroin or cocaine across the desert the should be shot and left as vulture food.    

um...  setting aside for the moment the fact that trafficking in hard drugs is not a capital crime...  how is a sniper supposed to be able to determine how much of what material his target is carrying?  

okay not literally snipers... but the point was there, if your bringing in the hard drugs why should you be returned to your country to try again in a week. (another exaggeration so don't rip me apart for inaccuracies fu_gif ) there are many countries in witch trafficking is a capital crime and i don't think that's such a bad idea. your bringing in poisons that will kill our citizens, that in my mind is conspiracy to commit murder. lets set the punishment accordingly 

we can also go a step further and run a full assault on the cartels, i am a firm believer that they are more of a threat to the U.S. then any radical Muslim group out there.
how many Americans have died from "terrorist" attacks, and how many have died from an overdose on cartel drugs?

this is a completely different can of wasps, but one thing id like to point out, is that americans are gonna od on whatever they can get.  if a drug exists, there is a market for it, so somebody somewhere is gonna sell it, and if its potentially lethal, some of the customers are gonna die from it.  
i dont consider consider the cartels to be quite such a direct threat to the us itself.  
there are an outrageously huge threat to the nations they are based in, though, and that threatens us interests somewhat.  but who wants america to play gwot in a country we share a border with?  there would be rangers raiding texas dorm rooms over picayune dope deals in less than a year.  
to say nothing of the cartel response.  they got the economic base to fund true guerrilla warfare indefinitely.  

my point is that if you put actual pressure on the people bringing in the drugs then less would get though thusly creating less of a problem. i know it won't be the magic bullet but it will create more of a squeeze on the dope getting in. i don't see why we can spend billions on a war against a group of people who are doing more harm to the the citizens of a country half way around the world when we have the same level of "insurgency" right at our back door.

or you could, you know, do the smart thing like portugal did and stop treating it as a crime.

if people wanna kill themselves let um, the government should not be involved in what one puts in their own bodies

as for criminals, they would be taken care of by legalization (again look at portugal who decriminalized everything 10 years ago, use is down, crime is down)

I do like your plan for fence hopping though, except i take it a step further, I dont care the reason, cross illegally, done

March 24, 2015
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ganjadude said

 

or you could, you know, do the smart thing like portugal did and stop treating it as a crime.

if people wanna kill themselves let um, the government should not be involved in what one puts in their own bodies

as for criminals, they would be taken care of by legalization (again look at portugal who decriminalized everything 10 years ago, use is down, crime is down)
I do like your plan for fence hopping though, except i take it a step further, I dont care the reason, cross illegally, done

 

that would work as well... i may sound like i'm going backwards, but i just think that this "war on drugs" is halfhearted. we (the gov.) claim to want to stamp out drugs completely. but leave the bulk of the responsibility on our local law enforcement. and when they are trying to take down cartel operations inside the U.S. the find themselves under trained and out gunned, like Pigg said some of these guys where ex Mexican military, our local police are not trained to fight a military force.

something needs to happen. we either legalize/decriminalize to make the drugs less taboo so people who need help aren't afraid to get help, or we go on the other side of the fence and actually go to war against the drug cartels and put real pressure on them. because what were doing now is just poking them with a stick. yes it's annoying and maybe every once in a while the cops may get lucky and poke them where it hurts, but it's not enough tho actually make a difference.

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March 24, 2015
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drones with missiles = dead cartels.

 

half the problem is noone is willing to take extreme measures. they are better trained? use bigger weapons. you might knock out a few innocent bystanders. but if you blow up enough mexican drug lords people will move out of the way very quickly, but no.. blah blah blah human rights.

March 24, 2015
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novocaine said
drones with missiles = dead cartels.

 

half the problem is noone is willing to take extreme measures. they are better trained? use bigger weapons. you might knock out a few innocent bystanders. but if you blow up enough mexican drug lords people will move out of the way very quickly, but no.. blah blah blah human rights.

This is the same problem we are having in the Middle East. Big weapons don't do very well against guerrilla insurgencies because a lot of the times it's hard to differentiate between civilian and enemy.

Plus, those human rights are very important when it's YOUR house getting blown up and YOUR family getting killed.

March 24, 2015
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The U.S. government could just be operating out of self-interest, doing what's necessary to increase its global power (empire building.) Maybe it's up to an individual not to poison themself to death. If cartel families and/or their countries are crucial to our economy I don't see U.S. military action happening.

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March 24, 2015
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Pigg said

novocaine said
drones with missiles = dead cartels.

 

half the problem is noone is willing to take extreme measures. they are better trained? use bigger weapons. you might knock out a few innocent bystanders. but if you blow up enough mexican drug lords people will move out of the way very quickly, but no.. blah blah blah human rights.

This is the same problem we are having in the Middle East. Big weapons don't do very well against guerrilla insurgencies because a lot of the times it's hard to differentiate between civilian and enemy.

Plus, those human rights are very important when it's YOUR house getting blown up and YOUR family getting killed.

Start pouring napalm down monkey holes. once people figure your not too worried about taking out a few civillians, they will get the fuck out the way. 

 

Hey if i live in an area where cartels are active, i care enough about my family that i would do everything in my power to get the fuck out. simple as that.

March 24, 2015
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novocaine said
Start pouring napalm down monkey holes. once people figure your not too worried about taking out a few civillians, they will get the fuck out the way.  
Hey if i live in an area where cartels are active, i care enough about my family that i would do everything in my power to get the fuck out. simple as that.

and go where?  emigrate to america?  they cant, cuz of the same drug war.  

this is not how warfare works.  

youre talkin about many many many thousands of refugees, perhaps millions, most of whom never made a more than hundred bucks a week.  reducing a modern western nation to strike targets and relocation zones would not improve things at all.  and how is the mexican military just gonna stand around and watch this?  its an invasion of a sovereign, friendly state.

try to remember, this is all americas fault to start with.  if youre strikin those responsible, the first twenty million targets are american.  

  

again, trafficking in drugs is not a capital crime.  if it was, how many members of this forum would have been executed?  

if you sell a drug to an end-consumer, you are way more culpable than the guys that grew it.  and still shouldnt die for it.  

  

youll never defeat the 'monkeys' by conducting yourself as badly as the 'monkeys'.  works in their favor, actually.  

if you dont believe me, call israel.  ask them how its goin.  

 

and cartel dont live in holes.  they live, literally, wherever the fuck they want.  often in europe, these days.  and everyone around them is ecstatic to be their hosts.  

the choice those civilians are making for their families is:  either make lots of money, or become indigent, starving, helpless refugees who are more hated in the place they are fleeing to, than the one theyre fleeing from.  

 

the whole thing is a horrible plan.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

March 24, 2015
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krunkazphuk said

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...this isis crap jut makes me laugh... they are just a bunch of retards with guns. all the media is successfully doing is making muslims the target of abuse simply for believing in whatever monkey god they believe in. 

Uncle Ruckus, this is why you'd be a great podcaster. Maybe another unpopular opinion would be following the $ trail to find out who really supplies the retards with the guns.

That's what I'd recommend doing. I've known about ISIS for over a year now. Posted on my facebook around then is a warning about what the group might be up to, after a young man from Calgary with family ties to a Western controlled African nation had joined up and went to fight for them in Iraq. A few months later the Canadian media said he was killed in an airstrike. I celebrated and said, serves you right you fucking idiot. He fooled me tho....cause a few months later I'm browsing Vice videos and what do I see?? rofl_gif That same young man doing a video conference with Shane Smith (Canadian owner/founder but sold out to CNN) of Vice warning about attacks on the West....particularly NYC subways. Then the Ottawa shootings happened later and all those bills I warned about being passed in legislature (to krunkasphuk on here) went through - Along with the Canadian bombings of Iraq I said would happen. Anyways, everything over a year ago I said they'd do has happened in almost direct fashion. When you bomb these places over then years ago....a funny thing happens to the young survivors who lost their families and any hope of a future....they grow up! Here's some guns...here's your bible....now here's where you're going!!!! Get to it little fellas!!! Is everyone enjoying the show or would like to know what their Israel, Canadian, American, generals want out of them? ??? After all, your tax dollars are paying for it popcorn_gif

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I have lots of other unpopular opinions that can be proven through facts with research.

Most of my facebook friends are acquaintances that I run into in person. The ones who didn't delete me I see in person and they try the no eye contact from a distance thing, while quickly crossing the street. It's amusing to me....they think I created the mess or something by informing them beforehand...Hey, don't shoot the messenger cheers_gif

EDIT - Bill C-51 i said was also coming. Harper is trying his best to make sure it does before election time. Doesn't matter either way because they rig those things, anyways. Google it

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March 24, 2015
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He says CSIS are idiots in this??? hahaha rofl_gif  THEY RECRUITED HIM!!!

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015.....-with-csis

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Cabal said 
When you bomb these places over then years ago....a funny thing happens to the young survivors who lost their families and any hope of a future....

A book I'm reading by John Perkins makes a similar point; he sees desperation as a key motivator in terrorism.

Cabal said
The ones who didn't delete me I see in person and they try the no eye contact from a distance thing, while quickly crossing the street. It's amusing to me....

David Bowie wrote a song (Cat People) about your situation. "Those who feel me near pull the blinds and change their minds."

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March 24, 2015
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If anybody knows how true that is, it's John Perkins. I love that guy!

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I had to youtube that Bowie song. I can't lie for some reason, it's my biggest fault....

That was fucking dope as hell. Seriously, that shit was epic. Never expected that awesomeness at all

 

EDIT = Aw shit, that's in Inglorious Basterds .... rasta_gif Never knew that was him

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March 24, 2015
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my way doesnt work? obviously what is happening now is working less.

The cartels/ wannabe terrorists arent scared of you (i say you because noone cares about australia, its like granny fanny. everyone knows its there but noone wants to imagine being in it) so make them scared. im not saying my solution will work quickly, but a decade or 2 of pure wrath from the us government, they will change their tones. 

 

israel v palestine you say? thats just a bunch of hillbillies with automatic rifles and homemade milk bottle bombs isnt it? sure its been gonig on for god knows how long. we should start building up a wall around them now. let them sort their own shit. we can take it down once both are dead. or once one emerges victorious.

 

But im talking about employing nasty vicious tactics at a government funded level. when the mexican goverment stand up and says 'hey mang, you canna kill our peeeple.' you get one of your sneaky cia assassins to sneak up behind them and start cutting throats. if the government supports drug lords they are on the same level and deserve the same treatment.

 

The people around them who are oh so happy to support them will change their tunes really really really REALLY quickly after you level a suburb or two. the people who sniff around the cartels are cowards in truth. soon as it becomes scary they will run.

March 24, 2015
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novocaine said  
israel v palestine you say? thats just a bunch of hillbillies with automatic rifles and homemade milk bottle bombs isnt it? sure its been gonig on for god knows how long.    

only on one side.  the isreali military is largely more sophisticated than ours.  and yet, they cant come close to getting it done.  

trust me.  warfare is not simply 'hold still and let us kill you'.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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but back to the origin of the thread.

 

CoC was the best jokers card (yep i believe that)

 

Ringmaster and Riddlebox were good but wildly overrated

 

W.I.C.K.E.D is overrated

 

Warlock is not as terrible as some people think he is, only his ego is.

 

WWE is a joke

 

Racism is hilarious (at least until someone starts jumping on black dudes heads)

March 24, 2015
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Also 

 

Pitbulls make the best companions. 

 

dunno how much hate this will generate but when i tell people i want a pitbull they tend to avoid me afterwards.

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novocaine said  
Warlock is not as terrible as some people think he is, only his ego is.    

that is probably correct.  

  

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