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10:51 pm
April 18, 2017
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said
As far as the masters, I'll offer up the example of the First Six box set. How did ICP get their masters back to be able to sell something dope? They bought out the contracts legally instead of giving out metaphorical titty twisters.
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vinyllover said
http://psychopathicmerch.com/s.....logid=4023
Notice that all of the albums they are selling are the ones they have the masters to. I don't see any Twiztid albums for sale that Twiztid had masters for. So I fail to see your point.
No shit.
vinyllover said
They said it was a publicity stunt for a band and that was it. I didn't hear them say anything in the vein of myself and Chuck Reeves how even the lawsuit was bullshit. I did however hear their opinion on the supposed "gang list" and it's implications.
Their what?
10:55 pm
April 25, 2017
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They bought out the contracts legally instead of giving out metaphorical titty twisters.
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No. Just asked for clarification:
the undeniable facts of
1. Twiztid's albums being out of print and not available on the internet because of Psychopathic Records being a failure and not having the money or time to do it
2. That Twiztid had to be the ones who re-release their own shit and even do it on vinyl for the Juggalos
3. The fact that ICP even before the major beef when Twiztid was on Majik Ninja STILL DIDN'T put out Twiztid albums they had the masters to - not even on vinyl
is in fact proof of their failure as a company to keep Twiztid product out there. Hence Twiztid DID have the right to say, "Give us a master or we aren't doing this." What's Twiztid supposed to do? Let Joe Bruce be a fucking hapless tyrant who keeps Twiztid shit on lockdown? Get real. You don't even have a counter argument to this. You claim I'm wrong but don't take time to explain why. You call what Twiztid did a "metaphorical titty twister" as if that actually means or proves something. LOL.
Feel free to explain and justify your claim that what Twiztid did was immoral. Maybe even define "metaphorical titty twister", that would help. I
11:02 pm
April 18, 2017
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said
As far as the masters, I'll offer up the example of the First Six box set. How did ICP get their masters back to be able to sell something dope?
3 times now. Go for it.
vinyllover said
Feel free to explain and justify your claim that what Twiztid did was immoral. I'm still waiting...
Sorry, is blackmail all good in your book? It isn't in mine.
Preemptive response: It's because the option was either for Psy to hand over the masters to keep up the illusion that everything was fine between the 2 sides, or not hand them over and Twiztid doesn't do the show. Which eventually happened. Which is why this conversation exists.
11:09 pm
June 19, 2017
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twiztid wanted their masters in exchange for doing a show. that's not blackmail.
11:09 pm
April 25, 2017
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As far as the masters, I'll offer up the example of the First Six box set. How did ICP get their masters back to be able to sell something dope?
3 times now. Go for it.
Obviously they want to Island records and paid a fee to lease the masters. That is the LEAST they had to do. I don't know if they did the MOST they had to do which was outright purchase the masters in full back from Island. Do you really think they did a full purchase as opposed to a simple lease? Where is your proof? Because given that Psychopathic had to let some employees go in September right after the march, I'm gonna bet they didn't have the cash to buy those masters back. Although maybe they did and THAT's one of the reasons they had to let those two employees go. But that would have to mean that first six box set came out before the march and before the firing of those two employees. Which is obviously did. So there.
11:11 pm
April 25, 2017
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Gorey Corey said
twiztid wanted their masters in exchange for doing a show. that's not blackmail.
Exactly. That's payment. In fact it benefited BOTH PARTIES for Twiztid to only ask for a master and not a cash payment Psychopathic could probably not afford. That was Reeves' point. I'm glad at least some juggalos understand this.
11:12 pm
June 19, 2017
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now if twiztid said give us the fucking masters or we're gonna expose yall for (insert malicious information about psy) that would be blackmail. idk bc twiztid hasn't said anything negative about them they want peace as far as i can tell.
11:14 pm
April 25, 2017
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I'm sure they signed a non disclosure agreement. Which probably included shutting the fuck up about sexual harassment going on at Psychopathic Records among other things.
11:15 pm
April 18, 2017
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vinyllover said
Obviously they want to Island records and paid a fee to lease the masters. That is the LEAST they had to do. I don't know if they did the MOST they had to do which was outright purchase the masters in full back from Island. Do you really think they did a full purchase as opposed to a simple lease? Where is your proof? Because given that Psychopathic had to let some employees go in September right after the march, I'm gonna bet they didn't have the cash to buy those masters back. Although maybe they did and THAT's one of the reasons they had to let those two employees go. But that would have to mean that first six box set came out before the march and before the firing of those two employees. Which is obviously did. So there.
Very good. How come Twiztid couldn't just do that? I'm not even saying that I hate Twiztid for this, either. Watch the tell-all. The reason for the divide is album masters and Young Wicked being signed. I'd time stamp it for you, but who am I kidding? You have that broken down frame by frame in some Excel spreadsheet, so just check it out again.
11:17 pm
April 18, 2017
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Gorey Corey said
now if twiztid said give us the fucking masters or we're gonna expose yall for (insert malicious information about psy) that would be blackmail. idk bc twiztid hasn't said anything negative about them they want peace as far as i can tell.
I get what you're saying. I think it's a case of actions speaking louder than words. Sure has been a lot of in-fighting that they knew would happen as a result of it, huh?
11:18 pm
June 19, 2017
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the young wicked thing being the divide is bullshit bc in another video twiztid stated that icp was cool with them signing young wicked and then when they announced it they flip flopped.
random lyric popped in my head right now by gmo "young wicked the niece fucker" lol that cracks me up everytime lmao
11:22 pm
June 19, 2017
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Bonesaw Wizardstick said
I get what you're saying. I think it's a case of actions speaking louder than words. Sure has been a lot of in-fighting that they knew would happen as a result of it, huh?
not sure they KNEW it would be bc of the signing as they stated they talked with the psy camp and they said it was cool sign young wicked and amb. they checked in with their homies and got the ok. they sign talent and young wicked has talent for sure. matter of opinion, i know i know. but still for psy to say go ahead then turn around ACT like it was the betrayal of the century is bullshit on their part.
11:22 pm
April 18, 2017
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Gorey Corey said
the young wicked thing being the divide is bullshit bc in another video twiztid stated that icp was cool with them signing young wicked and then when they announced it they flip flopped.random lyric popped in my head right now by gmo "young wicked the niece fucker" lol that cracks me up everytime lmao
Maybe it was because they said "no" to "I'm not asking you for a feature on Blahzay's album, but will you do a feature on Blahzay's album?" Like there's so much shit that built up to it where you can't pin it on one thing.
11:22 pm
April 25, 2017
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Very good. How come Twiztid couldn't just do that?
So Twiztid would pay ICP to lease masters with cash, and then end up getting probably around the same amount of cash back for coming to the Gathering? Why not just take the master as payment and get it permanently instead of temporarily? They get the master but ICP doesn't have to lose any cash to pay Twiztid to come to the gathering. Twiztid played it smart and didn't hurt ICP financially. As Chuck Reeves pointed out, Psychopathic wasn't repressing the albums and so the masters weren't a source of moneymaking ANYWAY. It was a dead horse. Psychopathic obviously didn't need the masters because they were obviously never going to use them again. Since THAT is fact, I will ask again, why should Joe Bruce be allowed to be an incompetent jealous tyrant over masters he would never use again anyway?
11:24 pm
April 25, 2017
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Gorey Corey said
not sure they KNEW it would be bc of the signing as they stated they talked with the psy camp and they said it was cool sign young wicked and amb. they checked in with their homies and got the ok. they sign talent and young wicked has talent for sure. matter of opinion, i know i know. but still for psy to say go ahead then turn around ACT like it was the betrayal of the century is bullshit on their part.
Even Jump Steady said in that massive Juggalo Radio show that yes, they didn't care if they signed Young Wicked. In other words, Monoxide was telling the truth when he said, "and ya'll are sending us text messages saying go ahead sign otis there's no beef. It's all good." So if Jump Steady is going to say the same thing as Mono, yeah I will take it as true. But to be fair to Violent J, I think the REAL BETRAYAL was Young Wicked LYING about dating and fucking Samantha, Jump Steady's daughter. I think they were hoping Young Wicked (already had two baby mamas) would do the mature thing and cut things off with Samantha who obviously didn't care about being a homewrecker and an interloper and was just guided by her hormones. But whatever. That's personal shit. The real issue as I have said from page one, is juggalos hating Twiztid for wrong, grossly uninformed reasons. The march and the so called "gang list."
11:31 pm
June 19, 2017
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vinyllover said
Very good. How come Twiztid couldn't just do that?
why should Joe Bruce be allowed to be an incompetent jealous tyrant over masters he would never use again anyway?
probably the same reason why he doesn't allow the release of a lot of music on psy. like i'm sure the current artists on the roster have been recording lots of dope shit and it never sees the light of day. this is all my speculation but i'm basing it on the amount material twiztid has released since becoming independent as to when they were on psy. it's a personal issue and i don't think it has anything to with the music they have in their vault not being up to par it's a more deep seated issue with not wanting these artists to thrive.
11:33 pm
April 18, 2017
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vinyllover said
Since THAT is fact, I will ask again, why should Joe Bruce be allowed to be an incompetent jealous tyrant over masters he would never use again anyway?
Because when you own something, you can do whatever you want with it. Or "allowed," as you put it.
Which is what they're going to do now with the masters that they didn't hand over.
Is that beard to give people a soft place to sit? You very rarely reply to a message without namedropping that guy
11:34 pm
April 25, 2017
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it's a personal issue and i don't think it has anything to with the music they have in their vault not being up to par it's a more deep seated issue with not wanting these artists to thrive.
Not re-pressing Twiztid's best selling albums that they know they would make money on? I think it's just on some money problems and general incompetence. I can't even imagine ICP being that jealous of Twiztid to refuse to reissue their best selling albums. Although, who really knows?
Since THAT is fact, I will ask again, why should Joe Bruce be allowed to be an incompetent jealous tyrant over masters he would never use again anyway?
Because when you own something, you can do whatever you want with it.
So Twiztid should have just sit back and taken the ass fucking that Psychopathic was giving them by not repressing their most popular albums and getting them out to the public which would generate new fans? Again, Chuck Reeves made the point that keeping product out there and generating new fans is good for everybody.
Is that beard to give people a soft place to sit? You very rarely reply to a message without namedropping that guy
Maybe if people stop dodging his arguments or at least watch the videos I time stamp where he actually reads from COURT DOCUMENTS, I wouldn't have to keep bringing up his good points. All people have to do is find me better ones that I've been asking for since page one.
I hate seeing this division in the juggalo world. I see it as unnecessary and resting on the false premises that Twiztid betrayed Juggalos not marching and that they are apparently denying some spooky bugaboo "gang list" to cover their ass. By correcting these false premises, by calling out ignorant youtubers like CPN for spreading misinformation, and by getting Juggalos to reassess their CPN/Joe Bruce influenced beliefs, perhaps some healing and reconciliation can begin. Not just between the divided fans, but perhaps Twiztid and ICP as well.
11:38 pm
June 19, 2017
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vinyllover said
That's personal shit. The real issue as I have said from page one, is juggalos hating Twiztid for wrong, grossly uninformed reasons. The march and the so called "gang list."
i think the personal shit is the main issue and the march will soon be forgotten who was there and who wasn't i mean mad child wasn't there bc his dog was sick lol. it's more about reading into the bull shit j said in that interview and juggalos not digging the music twiztid is putting out.
11:42 pm
April 18, 2017
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vinyllover said
So Twiztid should have just sit back and taken the ass fucking that Psychopathic was giving them by not repressing their most popular albums and getting them out to the public which would generate new fans? Again, Chuck Reeves made the point that keeping product out there and generating new fans is good for everybody.
They signed a contract stating that this would be the case should something like this ever happen. What do you want me to tell ya?
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