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Look, labels are supposed to invest in their artist.
Rob, take what you’re saying and replace it with a service level job. Why would someone work their for shit wages for years? Now factor in the fact that the job is something you’ve wanted to do your whole life, AND you are getting to work with some of your heroes.
It’s NEVER as easy as “if they didn’t like it why didn’t they say something?”
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scruffy said
yall are just dissecting this down to the cell structure, huh?take real scientists decades to do, so, have fun with that.
All I’m saying is there is more to this than what WE are seeing. I’d be the first to say fuck off to Otis, cause I never really felt his music, but we don’t ACTUALLY know what’s going on.
But hey, now Otis will REALLY be apsrt of the psychopathic family.
I still wanna know what shaggy thinks of all this. Hand over the keys to 2 dope for a while, see what he does with the label.
Whoop Whoop Pigg :
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scruffy said
how much do you ACTUALLY need to know?for that matter, how much do you ACTUALLY want to know?
ACTUALLY, thinkin on it, i feel like i ACTUALLY know too much already.
REALLY.
ba dum, tssh.
Like I said, Shaggys role in psychopathic and ICP is much more interesting to me than Young Wicked.
Other than that I just wanna hear Gmo diss everyone. That’s probably how it’s gonna okay out so I would love if we could just skip to that. Maybe they can settle everything over a royal rumble at Bloodymania.
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3:54 am
July 28, 2016
Pigg said
Look, labels are supposed to invest in their artist.
Rob, take what you’re saying and replace it with a service level job. Why would someone work their for shit wages for years? Now factor in the fact that the job is something you’ve wanted to do your whole life, AND you are getting to work with some of your heroes.
It’s NEVER as easy as “if they didn’t like it why didn’t they say something?”
I’ve worked shit jobs for low wages. I didn’t stay at them for 15 years. The fact is that in the time that he has been on Psychopathic, labels have become obsolete. YW could have been putting his own music out, doing his own thing. Instead, he did the exact opposite.
The truth is psychopathic GAVE him a career in his chosen field, a gift that ANYBODY should be lucky to have. He doesn’t owe them loyalty without ever faulting but he should at least be honest about it. He’s mad cuz he wasn’t as paid as ICP? No shit you weren’t fucking with ICPs level of success.
Taking your service level job. Imagine you work in a bar, okay? You make sub minimum wage, something like 2 an hour plus tips.
Homeboy who owns the bar and has been working it for 25 years, has a rapport with the customers, is constantly bringing in new customers, and is basically making the bar an exciting and interesting place. He has name recognition. He has friends with money. Everybody in the bar tips him 25% because they like him. they come when he’s working. On nights when he is at the bar, the bar rakes in the cash.
Meanwhile, when you first start out you are working the day shift. The people often stiff you for tips because they are broke ass grouchy old men. So homeboy who owns the bar is like yo, come work with me on my shift. He tells you who has deep pockets and what to say to them to get bigger tips. You know, what teams do they like and that kinda shit. He puts you up there every night in the prime slot, and you start making a little bit more scratch. You’re only getting about 5% tips but it’s better than what you were getting.
So the boss starts thinking that you’re doing great. He says, OK, you get Friday night all to yourself. I won’t show up. I want you to collect everything. I’ll take saturday night. We’re gonna rake in the cash. It’s gonna be dope. He pays for signs made up with your name on em and puts out a commercial for a special discount drink, your specialty. He tells everybody how fresh it’s gonna be.
But nobody shows.
Meanwhile, because you’re not making much money he puts you up in his house. Or in his nieces apartment. Or wherever he can. Anywhere where you can live rent free while you try to get your dream gig to pay off.
And then you go online and you bad mouth him? You say that they weren’t paying you enough? Fuck outta here. You agreed to what ever deal he gave you. You didn’t have to stay. You didn’t have to take living rent free. You didn’t have to get mentored by some of the best in the game. You didn’t have to do any of that shit.
But you did because fuck yeah, you get to be a bar tender and you’re excited.
So go work for your other friends bar. That’s cool, if you think they’ll pay you more. But don’t think for a second that your lack of success is your old bosses fault. That shit is on you.
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JC, Old Mr DangerousIf you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
4:01 am
July 28, 2016
King Lucem Ferre said
He wasn’t getting paid at all. Make all the shitty excuses you want for Psy not paying their artists shit (For the record he hasn’t been on psy for 15 years) but every artist there on Psy has had the same problem. Yeah, he should be making enough money to at least afford an apartment and not have to sleep at the studio or J’s house with a deal. Or what’s the point of being signed if he has to do everything himself and they are still taking a cut?
You don’t know that he wasn’t getting paid -at all-.
if he wasn’t getting paid -at all- then he really shoulda bounced.
And you also don’t know what he was doing with his money. A lot of that time he was around he was getting drunk, pissing it away. And how do we know he wasn’t sending a good chunk of the money he was making back home to help his brother, or his mom? You don’t.
the truth is that we’ll never know the exacts of his finances, unless they both post up their tax records. But seriously, any juggalo and his dog would swipe places with young wicked even if he wasn’t getting paid a cent (which I don’t think is the truth), for at least an album.
You wanna know how little he’s getting paid? Remember when ABK started feeling the same way. Complaining that the money ain’t right and then he bounced.
Where the fuck is he now? Why? Because he learned the hard way that the music business as a whole is hurting and that psychopathic were treating him pretty good. Now he gets to do his own label, with hatchet on his albums, with them promoting him, and him getting all the money but he still ain’t rich. He still ain’t chompin at the bit to put out albums. Why? Cuz psy won’t pay him? nah.
I’m all for young wicked doing what he thinks is best for him financially. Good for him for getting a new deal that he thinks will help him make more money. Hopefully he sends that money to samantha without a court order.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
5:17 am
July 26, 2013
This shit is fucking weird and doesn’t affect me, but being a fan of everyone involved makes me feel conflicted. I suppose it’s also
because I can reason with everyone. This is none of my business but I can’t help being intrigued. Musically, I hope it remains all
wicked shit and not disses. Who knows where the fuck this will go but I hope for everyone’s sake it doesn’t turn violent or at least
fatal( don’t myzery and twiztid have old ass beef where someone got stabbed with scissors or something?). This is just sooo
fucked with the business and personal shit all mixed. This really skews some of my former views on these artists, but I still enjoy
the music and what I’ve taken from it. I’ve come to the conclusion for myself that I really shouldn’t give a rat’s ass about what two
consenting adults do in private(even if made public). The heart(reproductive organ) wants what it wants. It probably would have
been best to keep this behind closed doors but if they want tell the whole fucking fam I guess they can. I personally thinks as far
as business goes MNE’s tactics are a little questionable. I understand signing Zodiac Mprint and all since they have MAD history,
but Boondox and Otis. Really? I mean they knew who’s toes they were stepping on. As far as the march I think Twiztid should at
least pay homage to ICP and their own fans. On their show and in interviews they act like they never caught a break or like they
would know the ropes without psy. I feel I’m 16 again hearing that Twiztid left psy in 2012(yes I’m a youngin). All I can think is
DAMN! I feel like this hurts the cause of everyone involved. I really hopes this blows over and is looked at as a rough patch. I
could understand this animosity if these dudes were my age but these are grown ass men with kids and shit ( damn! Jump bout to
be a grandpa). I don’t blame jump for what he did but his daughter’s grown. The heat of the moment is one thing though. If this
carries on all I’ll do is lose more respect for my former idols ,but that’s what I get for putting people on a pedestal. I’ve only been
down since 09 and these artists don’t make it easy. I feel like the family era is truly dead. It’s back to where it all starts, $$$. I
suppose my rant has gone on too long and isn’t making sense but I needed to vent. Thank you guys, and I wish everyone the best
of luck!
P.S.
I didn’t realize how much I missed you savages.
5:20 am
July 26, 2013
6:47 am
April 3, 2012
Wow, there was a lot of hate in that show. If it was my daughter i’d be fuming too, probably calling for his head. However she’s not 12, she is an adult and can make her own choices / mistakes, what happens if her and YW get married? it’ll be like West Side Story all over again (concept album right there).
The Money side of things is called a contract, and once you’ve signed it unless you can renegotiate it your stuck. its called life. If yu break your contract then thats a legal issue.
MNE won’t respond, nor do i think they will explain their reasons for not attending.
As people have said, family concept is dead and its all about the £££ but if the music is good and the fans stick together then does it really mater?
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Demented Smoka3:23 pm
January 19, 2013
BZA said
So the video is gone?
Yeah, and I bet they don’t put it back up.
Jumpsteady was talking out of his ass.
First he said Young Wicked quit Psychopathic on his own, then later in the show he referred to Young Wicked being “let go” from the Hatchet. ![]()
Also the amount of shit he talked about Twiztid/MNE would pretty much destroy Juggalo Weekend if they kept that shit posted up.
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BZA said
So the video is gone? from thinly veiled threats I guess… if they ask Faygoluvers to delete any transcripts or evidence I’m done with this place
Here’s a copy of the show’s recap from the front page. No one would ever think of looking here.
“THE JUGGALO SHOW RECAP
- Rob starts out by saying that the march is for Juggalos, not for ICP or Psychopathic
- Gave props to artists who signed onto the march
- They go into the history of Twiztid being signed, leaving, and throwing barbs on social media.
- MNE signs Boondox
- Rudy quotes Twiztid’s twitter saying “no longer do you have to be force fed bullshit”
- Rob mentions that if Psy and MNE’s relationship severed their relationship, that means the end of Dark Lotus, Rydas, Wizard of the Hood, etc.
- The whole reason we are having this conversation is because of Otis
- When MNE signed Otis, it was the final jab. He betrayed Psychopathic on a personal level, and MNE knew what was done
- Them announcing Young Wicked’s signing on New Year’s Eve right before the details of the Juggalo March were announced was an ultimate slap in the face.
- Jumpsteady proclaims that Psychopathic is a small family trying to put out flavor.
- The Juggalo March is all out of Psychopathic’s pocket.
- Rob said that the perception that all of Psy’s employees are millionaires is not even close to true.
- The march is NOT an ICP / Psychopathic event. They don’t care about a publicity stunt
- Twiztid not wanting to march was a shock to them because doing it is a wonderful way for artists to pay back the fact that they owe their careers to Juggalos.
- There has been no statement from Twiztid as to why they won’t march, but he’s sure there will be now.
- Jumpsteady says you can only be slapped in the face so many times.
- Rudy says that there is speculation has it that Twiztid canceled their march appearance because of Myzery/Spanish Side’s threats against them. They are NOT signed to Psychopathic, but they ARE relatives of Samantha (Jumpsteady’s daughter)
- Rob starts to tell the story of Young Wicked. He’s not trying to sway you not to like YW, and that he feels that minds are already made up.
- The main thing that got to Rob about Young Wicked is that…yes, he was with Rob’s daughter behind his back and was also playing his fiance at the same time. BUT when he left and joined Twiztid, Psychopathic wanted to forget about it and take the high road. He then started posting comments taking jabs at Psychopathic such as “after 15 years I can finally provide for my family.”
- Rob says Otis is young, scared, and a bitch.
- When AMB first started, they were hated for YEARS. They weren’t selling, left the label, and they came back and were given another chance. You can’t dismiss the whole history.
- Young Wicked HATED Twiztid and vice versa. But as soon as shit hit the fan, he heads to a Twiztid show and reps MNE gear and ultimately signs
- Otis left the label on his own…he was not fired.
- YW wrote Rob apologizing for everything.
- Violent J put YW and his family up in his house for a year rent-free without expecting anything.
- When Young Wicked went to Twiztid’s label, he caught some flack. Juggalos asked why he jumped ship. To save face, he started painting Psychopathic like they are the worst thing ever.
- Rudy says: “If you can’t provide for your family, why would you stick around?”
- Jumpsteady says that everything Young Wicked has said since leaving is a complete lie.
- Young Wicked was building up to be the next biggest thing at PSychopathic.
- Jumpsteady reveals that Samantha (his daughter) is pregnant with Young Wicked’s daughter
- Jumpsteady called Young Wicked up saying that we need to work things out. How you conduct yourself from this moment on is what really matters.
- Samantha was going on a trip for a few months so YW rented her apartment so he could fly out his family and stay there for a few months.
- Samantha had to come back and YW’s fiance went back to Colorado. Samantha and YW started interacting and a relationship developed.
- Samantha talked to Rob about it saying that they have feelings for each other.
- Rob asked “What about his fiance?” He only talks about how much he loves her and how much she saved his life.
- Jumpsteady reprimanded YW and his daughter (Samantha) for sneaking around behind his back.
- Jumpsteady and Rob talked face to face, and Rob told YW that it was disrespectful.
- YW told him that he wouldn’t kick it with Sam anymore, but found out that they never stopped seeing each other.
- YW and Rob had a falling out after that and asked for keys to the apartment back. He said it was a complete betrayal of everyone.
- YW went back to his fiance like nothing happened. Started treating Samantha like shit until SHE hated him.
- Nobody in the family had any more respect for him. If he’d man up and take calls from Rob and his family, then it’d be different.
- Rob still offered YW to stay on the label after everything, but said he still needed to man up and take care of his future baby.
- Rob asked everybody at the label if they wanted him to stay because he could work around YW.
- They said “Good riddance” to him when he signed with MNE, but he still persisted to talk badly about Psychopathic after that.
- Rob said he’s making mistakes because he’s so dumb, selfish, and is a bitch.
- Rob said that YW considered him a father figure. Rob said that the only reason he’s airing this all out is because of YW’s shit talking since his signing after all they’ve done for him.
- Rob said “The whole 15 years you claimed Psychopathic 4 Life you were really hating it?” He said that’s a lie.
- Rob says he’s dissing all of his homies in a bitch move to make himself look better.
- Rob hates to think that this whole instance will start a war with MNE, but them signing Otis can’t be overlooked…especially after running his mouth.
- Joe told YW that it was his goal for him to have a house for his family. He was very determined to do it.
- 2 weeks before it all went down, YW got a raise, and a diamond hatchetman was being made for him.
- Rob told him it’s all about how you act from here on out that depends on whether they can make it work at Psychopathic.
- Rob said that if a war between Psychopathic and MNE pops off, it’s because Otis crossed the line.
<<They played a montage of Otis showing love to ICP and Psychopathic over the years>>
- Rob said that the thing that gets to him the most is that YW has a daughter on the way with his family and he’s doing everything in his power to not be involved.
- Myzery calls in to speak his piece.
- Rob asks about Myzery and his crew targetting Young Wicked really hard.
- With the Juggalo march, all beefs should be squashed. Nobody’s trying to physically harm anyone.
- Billy came up to Rob 3 days ago and asked about bringing Young Wicked to the march. Rob agreed and said that he should be invited.
- Rob said that he deserves a beatdown, but not at the march.
- Myzery said he’s not worried about anyone but his niece. The whole reason Myzery is mad is the same reason Rob is mad because of how badly he treated Samantha
- Myzery’s standpoint is that since Twiztid signed YW, he and the Spanish Side crew now have an issue with the entire MNE label
- Myzery said there will be a white flag at the march…but after the march, gloves are off.
- Myzery said that if Twiztid or MNE has shows in New York and Arizona, they better cancel them.
- Rob and Rudy reiterate that they have nothing to do with Myzery. So whatever happens there is on them.
- Rudy said that Psychopathic is laying this subject to rest now. This is the last you’ll hear about it.
- Rob said that they aren’t blasting on YW for no reason….there’s real anger. But this is the last time because Rob has to let it go to get over everything.
- He hopes that years from now they can be chilling together at his daughter’s birthday party
- KG reads YW’s tweets (seen above) on the air, and Rob calls him a liar. Saying he’s always lying.
- Jumpsteady said to look at it this way: You just stood here for 15 years getting the bone? With a smile on your face?
- Jumpsteady realizes that these revelations change a lot of things.
- Rudy told Rob that in the 30 years he’s known him, he’s never seen Rob that upset.
- Rob reiterates that through it all, the straw that broke the camel’s back is all the shit talking on social media.
- Rob then apologizes and said it’s one of the lowest moments of his life. He wanted to say what he wanted to and not get mad about it.
- Rob tells Otis that there is STILL coming back from this. Asks him to do the right thing, shut up, make his career at MNE, and move forward. Do right by your daughter and stop making enemies. Focus on the positive.
- Rob said that YW wouldn’t be an artist if not for Psychopathic.
- Rob ends saying that if he wants to air it all out, go onto Twiztid’s radio show and speak his piece.
<<Show Ends pretty abruptly after a few plugs from KG and show plugs from Rudy>>”
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January 19, 2013
4:06 pm
September 18, 2012
Noah Fence said
You don’t know that he wasn’t getting paid -at all-.
I didn’t say he wasn’t getting paid at all. I stated the fact that he couldn’t even afford his own apartment working for them. You know, producing, engineering and singing all over ICP’s albums.
if he wasn’t getting paid -at all- then he really shoulda bounced.
He just fucking did! And this is the second time he’s done it! Because, despite the bullshit you keep saying, he was not there for 15 years straight.
And you also don’t know what he was doing with his money. A lot of that time he was around he was getting drunk, pissing it away. And how do we know he wasn’t sending a good chunk of the money he was making back home to help his brother, or his mom? You don’t.
No, I don’t know what he was doing with his money. Neither do you. I just know that he couldn’t even afford an apartment despite being not only an artist but the main engineer and producer for the label.
the truth is that we’ll never know the exacts of his finances, unless they both post up their tax records. But seriously, any juggalo and his dog would swipe places with young wicked even if he wasn’t getting paid a cent (which I don’t think is the truth), for at least an album.
Probably not. But we do know that he couldn’t even afford a small apartment or hotel while not only making music at Psy but also being the main engineer and producer there too. I also never said he wasn’t paid a cent. And no, I don’t think every juggalo would want that place.
You wanna know how little he’s getting paid? Remember when ABK started feeling the same way. Complaining that the money ain’t right and then he bounced.
Yeah, another artist at Psy that implied they don’t pay their artists enough. Lets see now, Esham, ABK, Twiztid, Young Wicked and Lavel all making the same claime and Joe Strange implying it as well.
Where the fuck is he now? Why? Because he learned the hard way that the music business as a whole is hurting and that psychopathic were treating him pretty good. Now he gets to do his own label, with hatchet on his albums, with them promoting him, and him getting all the money but he still ain’t rich. He still ain’t chompin at the bit to put out albums. Why? Cuz psy won’t pay him? nah.
Despite the mountain of evidence supporting the assumption that Psy hardly pays their artists I’m a dumbass for thinking that and you’re not a dumbass for thinking that they are completely taking care of all of their artists.
And yeah, that would make perfect sense as to why ABK can’t put out an album. If they aren’t giving him the money to make the album he can’t exactly make the album and if he isn’t making enough money to live off of Psy he might be putting work in else where that will give him money to live hindering his album form being finished or what not. It makes complete sense and you dismissed it with ‘nah’ because that one word totally destroys the evidence backing up the idea.
I’m all for young wicked doing what he thinks is best for him financially. Good for him for getting a new deal that he thinks will help him make more money. Hopefully he sends that money to samantha without a court order.
I don’t even think shitty pay is the reason he left, I think he left because he acted like a fuck boy with the boss’s daughter.
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