Dude. I just wrote a fucking essay  and it got erased. Gettin all emotional and everything.  Bearing my soul type shit.I hate when that happens. Try again tomorrow

Slumerican502 said
Dude. I just wrote a fucking essay  and it got erased. Gettin all emotional and everything.  Bearing my soul type shit.I hate when that happens. Try again tomorrow  

awe that fucking sucks for real!  That’s totally happened to me before.  I’m sorry :'(

Ok, cliff notes version.

Ive probably mentioned this somewhere on here before. Most genres of music are very limited when it comes to subject matter. This is the genius of what they do.

Because they are cartoonish clowns right out of the gate, they can literally talk about anything they want. Its advantageous both to them and to us that love what they do. They know that they will never be on the radio, and that most normal people are going to hate what they do, so they do what the fuck they want.

They wear the worlds hatred as a badge of pride. It takes the sting off. I used to do the same thing before I lost my baby fat. Id make fat jokes about myself so it didnt hurt me if other people did it. Take their ammo away.

Its a weird comparison to make, but its the same reason Netflix Exclusive shows are always so fucking good. ICP has no middle men and do not have to worry about filtering themselves.

Netflix gives their creators complete creative control over their art. And it is so much better for it. Quit putting your grubby fucking paws in everything and let artists make art.

ICP is truly ahead of their time.

I bet most juggalos would agree that they arent the best rappers, but they are far and away the most creative. These mother fuckers know how to tell a story. Sometimes its cheesy, sometimes its fucking brutal. Sometimes its fun and sometimes its crippling in the ways that it hits home, for me anyways. I listen to different artists for different reasons, but they run the gamut on human emotion AND the human experience.

They just do it in a way that isnt palatable for most people. It takes a special kind of an open mind to appreciate what they do. Ive said this before too, but the ONLY real prerequisite to being a juggalo is to have an open mind.

It makes me sad that I dont like the music they have been putting out. Thats probably more of a knock on myself than them. Maybe their edges have softened over the years, but more likely im just getting old. Either way, im so fucking grateful they have been a part of my life for these last 15 years. It changed me forever.

Slumerican502 said
Ok, cliff notes version.

Ive probably mentioned this somewhere on here before. Most genres of music are very limited when it comes to subject matter. This is the genius of what they do.

Because they are cartoonish clowns right out of the gate, they can literally talk about anything they want. Its advantageous both to them and to us that love what they do. They know that they will never be on the radio, and that most normal people are going to hate what they do, so they do what the fuck they want.

They wear the worlds hatred as a badge of pride. It takes the sting off. I used to do the same thing before I lost my baby fat. Id make fat jokes about myself so it didnt hurt me if other people did it. Take their ammo away.

Its a weird comparison to make, but its the same reason Netflix Exclusive shows are always so fucking good. ICP has no middle men and do not have to worry about filtering themselves.

Netflix gives their creators complete creative control over their art. And it is so much better for it. Quit putting your grubby fucking paws in everything and let artists make art.

ICP is truly ahead of their time.

I bet most juggalos would agree that they arent the best rappers, but they are far and away the most creative. These mother fuckers know how to tell a story. Sometimes its cheesy, sometimes its fucking brutal. Sometimes its fun and sometimes its crippling in the ways that it hits home, for me anyways. I listen to different artists for different reasons, but they run the gamut on human emotion AND the human experience.

They just do it in a way that isnt palatable for most people. It takes a special kind of an open mind to appreciate what they do. Ive said this before too, but the ONLY real prerequisite to being a juggalo is to have an open mind.

It makes me sad that I dont like the music they have been putting out. Thats probably more of a knock on myself than them. Maybe their edges have softened over the years, but more likely im just getting old. Either way, im so fucking grateful they have been a part of my life for these last 15 years. It changed me forever.  

I want to print this out and hand it to folks who ask why I’m still listening to ICP in 2016. Their form of story telling is so unique, I know it’s why I keep coming back, and I listen to a lot of different genres. Damn, there really isn’t anything else to add to your explanation. 

Slumerican502 said
Ok, cliff notes version.

Ive probably mentioned this somewhere on here before. Most genres of music are very limited when it comes to subject matter. This is the genius of what they do.

Because they are cartoonish clowns right out of the gate, they can literally talk about anything they want. Its advantageous both to them and to us that love what they do. They know that they will never be on the radio, and that most normal people are going to hate what they do, so they do what the fuck they want.

They wear the worlds hatred as a badge of pride. It takes the sting off. I used to do the same thing before I lost my baby fat. Id make fat jokes about myself so it didnt hurt me if other people did it. Take their ammo away.

Its a weird comparison to make, but its the same reason Netflix Exclusive shows are always so fucking good. ICP has no middle men and do not have to worry about filtering themselves.

Netflix gives their creators complete creative control over their art. And it is so much better for it. Quit putting your grubby fucking paws in everything and let artists make art.

ICP is truly ahead of their time.

I bet most juggalos would agree that they arent the best rappers, but they are far and away the most creative. These mother fuckers know how to tell a story. Sometimes its cheesy, sometimes its fucking brutal. Sometimes its fun and sometimes its crippling in the ways that it hits home, for me anyways. I listen to different artists for different reasons, but they run the gamut on human emotion AND the human experience.

They just do it in a way that isnt palatable for most people. It takes a special kind of an open mind to appreciate what they do. Ive said this before too, but the ONLY real prerequisite to being a juggalo is to have an open mind.

It makes me sad that I dont like the music they have been putting out. Thats probably more of a knock on myself than them. Maybe their edges have softened over the years, but more likely im just getting old. Either way, im so fucking grateful they have been a part of my life for these last 15 years. It changed me forever.  

The only issue I have is with the “aren’t the best rappers” part. I know I’ve said it on here before but they really are the best story tellers in rap, period. That’s including rappers today and yesteryear. That gets dismissed a lot when discussing them because their stories happen to be so absurd that you lose sight of the fact that they’re taking you along with them when they do backflips off of telephone poles and/or killing various evil-doers, but, regardless of how over the top the idea is, they can somehow convince you that it’s happening. 

That’s a talent that is usually only found in “classic” authors. 

No shit?  Bummer. Man, there’s so much good ICP the last 7 years or so. Bang! Pow! Boom!, Death Pop, House of Wax, Phantom, TMML: The Outtakes. 

krunkazphuk said
In terms of The Endless family from Sandman:

Despair: Truly Alone

YouTube Video ICP – Truly Alone (HD LYRICS)

Destiny: Burning Up

YouTube Video ICP – Burning Up (LYRICS) 

Desire: I’m In Love With A Hooker

YouTube Video Violent J- Im In Love With A Hooker Ft. Esham 

Destruction: Bang! Pow! Boom!

YouTube Video Bang! Pow! Boom! Lyrics by ICP

Dream: In My Room

YouTube Video 11 – ICP – In My Room (Wraith Remix Albums: Hells Pit) 

Death: The Wraith

YouTube Video Insane Clown Posse The Wraith  

Delirium: Halls of Illusions

YouTube Video ICP – Halls Of Illusions(Comic Remix)     

I woulda went for something more like Mental Warp for Delirium, or possibly something more nonsensical like Scatter Brain. Interesting idea to put the two together though. I wish Gaiman would fuck with juggalos. He did a story with Alice Cooper where Alice Cooper did an album and then he wrote a comic taking the story line further. Would be fascinating to see him work with ICPs mythology. Maybe in American Gods season 17, shadow can go to the Gathering of the Juggalos lol.

Side note, did you ever get to see @cheshyr ‘s little endless tattoo?

As for the rest of the thread, fwiw, I mostly agree with Lucem but disagree in some other ways.

ICP are fantastic story tellers. What gets called “the greatest” is usually a matter of taste and I’m OK with that. People will gravitate towards what resonates with them. I think ICP get undersold for their ability to tell stories though, because of their lack of formal education. J does absolutely brilliant things in terms of story structure that you can’t really find in other “great story teller” songs by other artists. Kendrick is a brilliant rapper and easily one of the best modern writers in pop music. His words are poetry, to the fullest. 

A lot of horrorcore rappers like to compare themselves to Edgar Allen Poe or Stephen King, but, in our world, none of them tell stories as good as ICP, hands down. And no disrespect to Prozak (who is dope and who I fuck with 100%) but saying you’re edgar allen poe isn’t the same as being able to write a story like the tell tale heart or amy’s in the attic.