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The Juggalo March on Washington covered by LoweringTheBar.net

Our homie Guest from the Faygoluvers Forum put up a link about the Juggalo March that broke down the timeline of lawsuits, appeals, and other events leading up to the march.  While many articles about this mock the cause, this journalist actually seems to lean in our favor.

They also posted our agenda straight from JuggaloMarch.com and says that they hope we will also make a visit to the White House.   I don’t think that’s on my personal agenda though. Check out the full article below.

From LoweringTheBar.net:

Juggalos Will March on Washington in September

While people try to convince the President of the United States that Nazis and racists are, you know, bad, let’s not forget that the feds have been spread pretty thin trying to keep track of all the suspicious groups out there. Among them, of course, is that “loosely organized non-traditional hybrid gang subset” known to the federal government as the Juggalos.

As you may recall because I’ve mentioned it umpteen times, the DOJ used that memorable phrase to describe Juggalos—fans of the hip-hop duo Insane Clown Posse—in its 2011 National Gang Threat Assessment. ICP and certain Juggalos sued the DOJ and FBI in 2012, alleging that after the assessment was released, they were harassed by police, denied employment, and harmed in various other ways by the “gang” description. A federal district court dismissed for lack of standing, but in 2015, the Sixth Circuit reversed, saying they had alleged enough to go forward. But in September 2016, the district court dismissed again.

This time the court held the claim didn’t satisfy the Administrative Procedure Act, which governs legal actions that challenge federal agencies’ decisions. The decision has to be a “final agency action,” which in this case meant it had to (1) be final and (2) “cause legal consequences.” This one didn’t “cause legal consequences,” the court held, because everything the Juggalos alleged was done to them by some third party, not directly by the agencies themselves. They could have sued the FBI if they’d been arrested by FBI agents, apparently, but because the alleged hassling was done by state or local officials, the Juggalos were out of luck.

But that sounds an awful lot like the reason the court dismissed the first time, namely that the Juggalos hadn’t alleged Article III standing because their injuries resulted from “independent actions by third parties who are not currently before the court.” The Sixth Circuit disagreed with that, noting that “it is still possible to motivate harmful conduct without giving a direct order to engage in said conduct. The Juggalos allege that the injurious third-party actions were motivated by the DOJ gang designation,” and at least for Article III purposes, that was enough. On remand, though, the district court then held that even if it is enough for Article III, the very same causation argument isn’t enough for the APA. Okay, they can sue in federal court, he basically held, they just can’t win.

That isn’t necessarily wrong, because the Article III causation standard is pretty easy to satisfy, and so it’s possible to meet that standard but still come up short on the legal claim itself. But it’s interesting that the district court didn’t try to make this distinction—in fact, it didn’t mention the Sixth Circuit’s decision at all, instead relying on a Fourth Circuit case. In any event, the Juggalos have appealed again, so they haven’t given up on legal action.

They have decided to try something more direct, though—a march on Washington.

On September 16, 2017—just 33 days from now, as I write this, according to the Juggalo March on Washington Countdown Clock—a loosely organized non-traditional group of music fans will converge on the nation’s capital to protest the “gang” designation. They will meet at the Lincoln Memorial, hear some speeches, then march down to the Washington Monument and back. Will some or all of them detour north a bit to march around the White House? I sure hope so, but it’s not on the agenda at the moment.

Those not prepared to follow the Code should stay home

There will then be a free concert featuring (so far) 25 bands including not just ICP but also (among others) Big Hoodoo, Glasses Malone, Kung Fu Vampire, Zug Izland, and, for a reason that I’m sure will later be explained to the country’s full satisfaction, Vanilla Ice.

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    Faygoluvers Comments

  1. Cheshyr

    Cheshyr

    Comment posted on Monday, August 14th, 2017 03:58 pm GMT -5 at 3:58 pm

    “Our Homie”…?

    FUCK THAT BITCH!

    All he wants to do is make money off of Juggalos selling to them as part of his “6-Figure-weed-Game” and his pride in saying he has “Done Dirt”… alll while talking shit about the Wil Sigler “thing” and call everyone that attended The Gathering this year (INCLUDING HIMSELF) rape deniers…

    but we’re gonna put the “Our Homie” stamp on this cock sucker?!

    That’s fucked up.
    Fuck “Guest”.

    ANYONE ELSE could have sent you that link but not everyone else is looking for dogshit to bring here for everyone to start a fight over!

    THANKS SCOTTIE for validating this fucker’s grift.
    [frowny face at you]

  2. Miklo Velka

    Miklo Velka

    Comment posted on Monday, August 14th, 2017 04:18 pm GMT -5 at 4:18 pm

    The only reason Scottie is riding Guest’s nuts is cuz the article is “March” related…..

  3. Scottie D

    ScottieD

    Comment posted on Monday, August 14th, 2017 07:30 pm GMT -5 at 7:30 pm

    I actually don’t pay attention to the politics of this forum, and only know of one douche bag in the mix. He just happens to have commented on this very article.

    Don’t read any further into it…sheesh. Bunch of crybabies.

  4. scruffy

    scruffy

    Comment posted on Monday, August 14th, 2017 08:37 pm GMT -5 at 8:37 pm

    +1, forum.
    and cheshyr… relax.

  5. drizzache

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 02:15 am GMT -5 at 2:15 am

    Dope short read. Can’t wait to b part of this.

    Also, if it’s not too much to ask, CAN WE PLEASE PUT THE MARCH BACK ON THE HOME PAGE? That Mars album is gonna flop anyways

  6. TheFvckinKreeper

    TheFvckinKreeper

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 09:40 am GMT -5 at 9:40 am

    ^This wins the comment section. ?

  7. mikeysinder

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 02:44 am GMT -5 at 2:44 am

    true, Guest is an absolute tool

  8. Cheshyr

    Cheshyr

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 03:12 am GMT -5 at 3:12 am

    @Scottie

    C’mon, man. I know you know that I know that all .
    I’ve said so myself many times in defense of you and YOUR website.

    I was also kinda hoping that you would “know” that when a grown man uses the phrase “frowny face” to another grown man, that perhaps he’s not being completely sincere about it. ;)

    I *do know, however; that you know Miklo is full of it and whatever he’s talking about isn’t what I was.

    I got nuthin’ but MCL for ya, Scottie-Boy! I was just “takin’ the piss” as they say…

  9. Scottie D

    ScottieD

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 07:43 am GMT -5 at 7:43 am

    Sorry Cheshyr, that was awfully detailed to just be brushed off as sarcasm. So if I read that wrong, then my mistake. [Super sarcastic eye roll at you]

  10. Jake Jeckel

    Jake Jeckel

    Comment posted on Tuesday, August 15th, 2017 03:19 pm GMT -5 at 3:19 pm

    Don’t forget consequenceofsound.com, metalinjection and many others are starting to have articles pop up. Really brings the haters out of the woodwork.

  11. Cheshyr

    Cheshyr

    Comment posted on Wednesday, August 16th, 2017 05:19 am GMT -5 at 5:19 am

    @Scottie

    Well, it wasn’t meant to be brushed off… but I wasn’t trying to …like, “accuse” you of something.

    I guess I “over-editorialized”.
    I apologize for projecting some forum bullshit “at you” when I should have just voiced my objection without seeming like I was singling you out for something you wouldn’t have known otherwise.

    No foul.

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