Rza of Wu, Necro and Havok of Mobb Deep can all rap and make beats and spit. Ghostface Killah and Kool Keith have that off beat flow and can rap at the same time.

I guess I didn’t understand exactly what you were trying to say. But I was using them as examples you can be a rapper/producer to your “Seriously stop with that dumb shit most rappers dont make beats a rappers job is FLOW/DELIVERY & LYRICS! so yeah its VERY easy to recognize skill! for example!” that’s all I was doing.

This thread would make the different style subject matter and comparing artists to one another a compelling argument. It's all skill. If KRS-ONE battled Drake who would win. A Veteran Mc or a Canadian rapper that is soft. Skill and lyrical ability are the only things that matter. So how would someone separate the weak from the strong? Who has more releases, who has more battles under their belt, who's more popular. Can a kid like Whiz Khalifa destroy 50 Cent in a battle? How would people decide who's elite and sucks.

What sucks & what dosnt is a matter of opinion. Most underground fans say Lil Wayne sucks, but he still is on top of the mainstram right now. I use to work with a kid who truly belived Lil Wayne is the best rapper of all time. And Ive actually heard Lil Wayne fans say Drake is better. Its just a matter of opinion what sucks.  Like Im sure with as long as yoou been Making music Warlock, you prolly had people hate on you, & Im sure you disagree, cause Im sure you wouldnt be making music if you thought of yourself as a wack rapper. If seen people hate on your music & some show it love right here on the Faygoluvers fourm. Its all just a matter of opinion