lol i pretty much agree with most of what lucem said..

to add to the thread though my biggest gripe is the lack of originality.. even in the mainstream.. it seems like everyone wants to sound the same & shit.. also the way some local scenes are ran by their promoters could be handled better..

Lucem did indeed nail it.

Like Tech said , “if I didn’t make money I wouldn’t shine, dawg!”

We need our musicians (entertainers) to be well off for the most part. We need them eccentric, which breeds their creativity. This creativity leads to our entertainment. 

Would ICP even rap at all if they didn’t earn their egos through financial gain? Nope. Not ons of is would know or care about them.

Dubstep. I fucking hate dubstep.

I also have a gripe with rock music in general, which is the death of guitar and drum solos. Its a lost art now.

Also also, justin beiber, needs more cowbell

I think Count Fagula, Lord of the halloween section at your local grocery store aka SickNSane, is the poster boy of every thing that is wrong with the underground horrorcore scene.

I bet he tucks his penis when applying his lipstick and high heels before getting on stage and showing off his tranny pride to the world.

I bet he needs both a leader and a chaser when taking shots of beer.

I bet he sits on top of his roof with a cape and a pair of those shitty plastic vampire teeth to hiss at people when they walk by his house at night until one of his neighbors gets pissed off and calls the police in which he calmly comes down from the roof sobbing with his mascara smeared (though you can’t really tell that it’s smeared because, well, he fucking sucks at putting it on) begging them not to lock him up while his mother promises to keep him under control.

I bet that when he cuts his wrists because his mom grounded him from WoW he only scratches it enough to make the skin rise and still cries about how painful it is.

I bet he faints at the sight of real blood.

I bet he’s sucked a dick or two in his day.

scruffy said
one thing i dont like about so-called underground artists, is the number of them that confuse ‘underground’ with ‘obscure and lacking in significance’.  

  

as if to say, ‘ im not famous at all, and thats why i deserve to be famous.  whether my music is noteworthy or not.’  

  

Yes, yes that is true. But why even draw the line? When you draw these lines and you make these labels you’re just making boundaries and boxing things in and trying to regulate what art ‘should be’. There shouldn’t be boxes or rules to music.

I meant people in general.

Most of the comments regarding “underground”, I’m seeing as fitting more as “local”. And most acts never leave the “local” stage, nor should they.

I see music as fitting four general categories, with an increase in fanbase in each – Local < Underground < Cult < Mainstream. Now, by that, I obviously don’t mean that mainstream is BETTER than underground, please don’t misunderstand. All I mean is if you “make it” as a local act, you start getting known elsewhere as being underground. Progress from there, and you start having a cult following. Progress from there (and if you have the right management, image, et cetera, et cetera), and it’s off to the radio play and awards shows.

Not really relevant to the original post, but I just figured I’d add my two cents to where the conversation had headed.

entrappedmind said  
four general categories, with an increase in fanbase in each – Local < Underground < Cult < Mainstream.    

I like this as well its an understandable progression.  I do think there should be one more catagory: Youtube < Local < Underground< Cult  < Mainstream

Excellent point hell its your system add it where you want.  I must say you are a welcome addition around here my dude Ive been impressed with the quality of your posts since you popped up.