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What is a Juggalo?
April 15, 2015
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Sean Law said
I don't got nothing against gays. I just got jokes. I know many of gays. 

Are we doing this...finally putting our secret out there...Oh wait this isn't a PM...

"Somewhere theres a Waffle House thats severely understaffed right now" -OCJ to Scruffy watching a second stage act at the Gathering.

April 16, 2015
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Pigg said

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This song is a good song. Two thumbs up.

I concur.

April 16, 2015
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HahahaWooo said

Pigg said

Sean Law said

This song is a good song. Two thumbs up.

I concur.

Lol the song isn't bad, the subject matter is just cringe worthy to me now. Like listening to Christian music.

April 16, 2015
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Psyral Infection said

RobTidwell said 
Higher quality footage can be edited to look like lower quality, to maintain at least some consistency, if need be. Or it might come out looking like the mighty death pop video lol. 

no one has sent me anything though and because of the homophobic and transphobic bullshit in this thread some really cool juggalos I know don't want to be involved, which makes me sad. You'd think people who are used to being shit on for being different would be a little more welcoming to people who are different.

@robtidwell 

You can't change ignorance, especially through a forum. Don't let that dissuade you from things like the Gathering, though. You'll find all walks of life there. Every year I've been there has been at least one same sex marriage. I am unsure of transgender and the like, but I am sure there were some due to the density of people there. It would be unlikely that there were none.

Oh, I ain't letting no little punks change my plans. They ain't that impressive. But I got friends who don't feel safe on this site because of the anger towards them for being different and I can't fault them that one bit. I wouldn't go to sites where people were mocking me and using slurs against me and shit. That shit's uncalled for. If I had to suffer with things like dysphoria, or if most of the people like me were murdered, raped, homeless, or committed suicide, and the one place I felt I would be protected and safe turned on me, I wouldn't want to be part of it, either.

I'm lucky. I have the privilege of not facing those particular issues. I'm hype as hell for the gathering. I'm hoping I can still get this project rolling. I think it would be a fantastic and wonderful thing for our community and for us as individuals. But if nobody wants to be part of it, I'll come up with something else.

 

April 16, 2015
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Sean Law said
I don't got nothing against gays. I just got jokes. I know many of gays. 

my racist ass dad used to say, "I ain't racist, I know black people!" that don't change shit. If you would want your LGBT friends to feel bullied and harassed in a place where they should feel welcomed and safe, they ain't your friends. Or, more correctly, you ain't their friend. They don't trust you.

My racist dad also had kids with a mexican woman. All that proves is that there was a mexican woman willing to put up with his racist shit because she had no better options. 

 

April 16, 2015
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I honestly don't think (can't be for certain, though) that anyone on this forum would actually attack a homosexual or transgendered person for their views. It's funny (I assume) because they AREN'T gay. For example, when I make fun of one of my gay friends, I talk about how he loves pussy and girls because he thinks they're disgusting. However, I do feel there are some people on here who legitimately hate homosexuals or will troll to the point of not being able to tell the difference. The thing is, if they are gay, lesbian, transgendered, or otherwise, shouldn't they be proud of it? How is calling a gay person gay an insult? 

April 16, 2015
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I would say JOKES don't make someone a bigot, serious thoughts and actions do.

April 16, 2015
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Pigg said
I honestly don't think (can't be for certain, though) that anyone on this forum would actually attack a homosexual or transgendered person for their views. It's funny (I assume) because they AREN'T gay. For example, when I make fun of one of my gay friends, I talk about how he loves pussy and girls because he thinks they're disgusting. However, I do feel there are some people on here who legitimately hate homosexuals or will troll to the point of not being able to tell the difference. The thing is, if they are gay, lesbian, transgendered, or otherwise, shouldn't they be proud of it? How is calling a gay person gay an insult? 

I don't think any one person on here would attack someone because bigots are cowards. They would rather humiliate and shame people for being who they are.

Calling someone who is gay doesn't hurt gay people (who are out), but calling someone who is transgender a gay male hooker who cross dress is hurtful because it invalidates their experiences. It tells them that that is all the world sees them as. It'd be like, you know who you are right? What if everybody kept telling you that you were wrong and they twisted who you are into some weird, obnoxious, poisonous joke?

It's vile and gross. It's hostile. There's this thing called a micro-aggression and when you add them up, it is unrelenting torture. Like the idea of death from a thousand paper cuts, you know? 

 

April 16, 2015
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Pigg said
I would say JOKES don't make someone a bigot, serious thoughts and actions do.

jokes show our thoughts and actions. Jokes designed to make a certain group of people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome are hostile actions.

Like, the joke you said about making your friend mad about the pussy thing is one thing, but being openly hostile in the humor is another. We wouldn't tolerate openly racist "jokes" would we? I sure as fuck don't. 

 

April 16, 2015
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RobTidwell said

Pigg said
I would say JOKES don't make someone a bigot, serious thoughts and actions do.

jokes show our thoughts and actions. Jokes designed to make a certain group of people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome are hostile actions.

Like, the joke you said about making your friend mad about the pussy thing is one thing, but being openly hostile in the humor is another. We wouldn't tolerate openly racist "jokes" would we? I sure as fuck don't. 

I've heard more "black jokes" from black people than any other race, but I totally understand where you are coming from. I don't think the jokes are INTENDED to make those individuals uncomfortable, I can see how they would though.

April 16, 2015
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I dunno. They saw the LGBT in my sig and tried to make me uncomfortable. There was no other reason to say that kinda shit. It wasn't funny or pertinent or anything.

 

April 16, 2015
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Pigg said  
I would say JOKES don't * make someone a bigot, ...    

insert the caveat 'necessarily', and this becomes fully true.  

  

clearly wasnt pertinent, thats fully true.  

 

still a cool idea though.  the, uh, point of the thread, that is.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

April 16, 2015
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scruffy said

Pigg said  
I would say JOKES don't * make someone a bigot, ...    

insert the caveat 'necessarily', and this becomes fully true.  

  

clearly wasnt pertinent, thats fully true.  

 

still a cool idea though.  the, uh, point of the thread, that is.  

Thanks! You should do a video. I'll post up mine either tomorrow or friday depending my free time. That might help get the ball rolling.

 

April 16, 2015
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I'll send something in if you'll take it.

Scruffy, I meant the jokes in and of themselves.

April 16, 2015
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of course I'd take it! That'd be wonderful! Thank you!

 

April 16, 2015
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RobTidwell said
What is a Juggalo? is a question often asked by outsiders. And when we let outsiders try to define us, we get their interpretation of us as our reputation. That shit really bugs me. Who defines punks? Punks. Who defines goths? Goths. Who defines juggalos? fucking everybody and their momma. And that shit is annoying.

It's trendy as fuck to capitalize off us and exploit us and then these fucks who laugh at us make some half assed statement about how we're "really kinda cool" and "just like everybody else" and whatever and it just bugs the piss out of me. 

The other day the gathering website updated and one of the updates was a movie night thing where different psy artists will pick a movie to show and it got me thinking. I'm a video artist and there will be a projector and screen and everything I need to show my work at the gathering. I'm gonna try and do everything I can to get a video or two played before or between the movies or whatever.

One of my ideas is to take the song What Is A Juggalo and edit together footage of juggalos saying the lines. I want to get as many juggalos involved as possible. I want it to be BIG and special. I want to see mother fuckers painted up with their own designs and showing off their own creativity.

But I want it to go further than just the funny lyrics ICP wrote. I want people to include their own lines about what they wish people knew about who we are as a group or as individuals.

So, for me, I might say something about being an atheist who is also a sunday school teacher, and values what religion has to offer even if I don't believe in the supernatural.A friend of mine might mention being an asexual sexologist. Just quick little lines. Whatever. And we can all throw in our cities too, for those bits.

Anyway, so yeah. I need juggalos. I'll do the editing. Just upload the videos somewhere where i can download them. You can submit them on my tumblr (see link) or you can email them to my email [email protected] and you can show a URL or whatever you want to promote if you got something going on. 

I can't make any garuntees, but I'd love to get this together in time for the gathering and have it be part of the event, but also have it live online for free forever. And I expect great fucking lyrics about how juggalos ain't fucking gang members and shit. And fucking I would LOVE to include a few lyrics from women about what it means to be a juggalo/ette. 

Sorry if this is a big wall of text but I'd really appreciate getting some help with this.

Any way we can get this on the front page? @punkrockjuggalo ?

April 16, 2015
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RobTidwell said  
My racist dad also had kids with a mexican woman. All that proves is that there was a mexican woman willing to put up with his racist shit because she had no better options. 

Maybe it proves the fucker's setting up franchises.

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April 16, 2015
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krunkazphuk said

RobTidwell said  
My racist dad also had kids with a mexican woman. All that proves is that there was a mexican woman willing to put up with his racist shit because she had no better options. 

Maybe it proves the fucker's setting up franchises.

What movies is this from... Pulp Fiction?

April 16, 2015
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Fight Club. And LGBTQ may be beautiful, but it is not a unique snowflake.

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April 16, 2015
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krunkazphuk said
Fight Club. And LGBTQ may be beautiful, but it is not a unique snowflake.

Dammit I was gonna say that and thought it was wrong.

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