yeah you can definitely tell j wasn't into it for hell's pit. raspy ass bored voice. he admitted he wasn't into though so i don't hold it against him. i really liked the production though. the tempest, well the spazmatic ad on the fuckin album says it all how much he gave a shit. i didn't fall in love with shangri-la until i started smoking again. first time i listened to it blitzed with headphones was an awesome experience and changed my mind completely on it as well as just growing up. i fully expect icp to make a resurgence without the cushion of twiztid and lotus anymore and can't wait to see what they have coming. i'm looking at it as a good thing. now icp can finally focus on icp again and twiztid can be as creative as they want now.

All those songs are bangers and shit on anything from tempest on.J sounds dope as fuck on this record.Twiztid was creative when they were on PSY they arent being held down creatively.They are dope and always will be on PSY or not

haha sorry homie im just bored over here...

AJB was the worst album of the original Jokers Card era.  Half the damn album was skits! Not saying there weren't good songs on there, just sayin.

Pretty sure when COC came out, they didn't have a finish planned.  It was a great gimmick though.  Everyone bought into the speculation of what would happen at the end.  No matter what the finish was, it was never gonna live up to expectations.  They built it for 10+yrs.  Continuous hype of this one thing for all that time and it could only be a let down to most people.  And ever since ICP stopped being the same ICP they were during the 90s, everyones been looking for a reason to bitch about it.

Personally, I really liked Shangri-La and about half of Hells Pit.  Real Underground Baby was a terrible terrible end to the Jokers Cards though and there was more lighthearted stuff on there than I would've cared to hear but whatever.

I feel like Twiztid outperformed ICP in the studio from 00-06 or so.  Independents Day was not good but ICP wasn't exactly doing any better at the time.  WICKED was Twiztids best work since Green Book.

I think Twiztid connects more with the juggalos because they interact more.  You can get a response from them at a seminar or on twitter or whatever.  ICP is just "this is what were doing.  buy it because its the greatest shit ever".

What it all comes down to is that ICP is retiring and Twiztid left so that they could take over as ICP after Joe & Joey retire.  There was an internal dispute about which one would get to be Shaggy which is why Madrox lost all that weight.  They're gonna come out at the Gathering or some shit and be like "we're not sorry if we tricked you" and we'll all smile and shake our heads and say "well played fellas.  well played"

17 tracks only three are essentially fillers. The intro and the tracks for Jake & Jack. The skits are in the songs themselves, about 4. Right half the record is skits. Go back and listen to a record before you talk down on it.

And wtf is melinko?

Sure, blame Alice Cooper

I don't know what ya'll are listening too but how can you think walk into the darkness is a shitty song?Hells pits is the shit.I only paid 10$ for MDP and it has a shit ton of good songs well worth the price for two cds imo.ICP sounded fine to me on Abominationz but I guess people just love to bitch about every goddamn thing these days.Twiztid deserves to collab with Hopsin?Hopsin has never released a good consistent album yet.He can rap his ass off and has some good songs, but he has yet to deliver a solid album.