Same thing happened at the Milenko show a few years back but I had one hell of a time. I think we tend to forget that, although we’re still bumping these albums many years later, huge possibility they haven’t given it a spin since the album dropped. Plus there’s a lot of shit going on this year … meh.

Monoxide hinted that he still doesn’t know all the words to Mirror Mirror. Refreshing considering he probably remembers as much as I do.

That’s dope as hell. I was over here in Cali hoping ya’ll were alright. Damn da internetz! Not entirely though, I was able to catch a few songs from FLH’s live feed. Shit gave me chills.

Hopefully everything aligns right for me to go next year. 

What’s this talk of J being back on drugs lately? Is that all just speculation or any real solid evidence to back it up? I hope he’s making smart decisions for the sake of his family and loved ones. I did notice him being a little different in that long faygoluvers interview a while back, but that can be just a personality change or even just him talking different cuz it was a big deal, but who knows..

Hope J’s doing alright, only watched some of the shangrai la performance on a stream but didn’t notice anything from that.

Makaveli said
What’s this talk of J being back on drugs lately? Is that all just speculation or any real solid evidence to back it up? I hope he’s making smart decisions for the sake of his family and loved ones. I did notice him being a little different in that long faygoluvers interview a while back, but that can be just a personality change or even just him talking different cuz it was a big deal, but who knows..

Hope J’s doing alright, only watched some of the shangrai la performance on a stream but didn’t notice anything from that.  

It seemed to really be talked about more when he lost all that weight.  People began to state that he was addicted to opiates, which could be prescription pain killers, etc.  That was how I lost a lot of weight, but once I got clean, I gained some of it back, but at least I am not pushing close to 400 any more.  Opioid addiction/dependence is HELL and it steals your soul.  The meds I became addicted to were – Vicodin, Oxycontin, Percocet, and Morphine.  Those were prescribed for my chronic pain issues/back issues – spinal stenosis, sciatica/neuropathy, degenerative disc disease, torn discs, bulging discs, and it did help a bunch, the meds did, but the side effect for me was dependence and addiction.  It got so bad that I was taking 10 Vicodins to start out the day and then adding more throughout the day.  I do not know how I did it, but I held a job and no one knew anything at first, but then they did, etc.  Suboxone was what helped me.  Been on it for a few years now and now take one 2mg film a day.  That is where I am gonna be at for a while.  It also helps with the pain, so my doctor said, if I needed to, I can stay at that dose for as long as I need to be

eli-whitney said

Considering ICP has a huge catalog of music and are always writing new stuff, as others have said he probably has not practiced Shangri-La in 15 years since it debuted.  

I wasn’t at the Gathering and, like everyone else, I’ve heard how J fucked up a lot but it seems it was still fun times. I finally watched some footage on Youtube and parts of it were even worse than I thought it would sound. So, who knows the real reason or what’s going on with J, if anything. But the excuse of “probably has not practiced Shangi-La in 15 years since it debuted” would be a complete bullshit of an excuse if that was at all true. They planned the performance, advertised it, and knew they had Juggalos from all over coming to see it. You better put in the work to practice the shit out of it, which aside from actual rehearsals could be just a matter of playing it in your car and remembering the lyrics and rapping along to yourself. I don’t buy the no practicing in years thing at all, that’s his fault entirely. All speculation of course. 

Am I the only one that finds it lame that they just rap to a recording of themselves and it’s not just instrumentals? Like they literally just put on the full studio recording and rap over top of it. I hate that, which also makes it lamer that he’d fuck up so much. Is this common for rap shows? I’ve never been to any live rap acts aside from ICP shows. 

Chevy2Dope said

I wasn’t at the Gathering and, like everyone else, I’ve heard how J fucked up a lot but it seems it was still fun times. I finally watched some footage on Youtube and parts of it were even worse than I thought it would sound. So, who knows the real reason or what’s going on with J, if anything. But the excuse of “probably has not practiced Shangi-La in 15 years since it debuted” would be a complete bullshit of an excuse if that was at all true. They planned the performance, advertised it, and knew they had Juggalos from all over coming to see it. You better put in the work to practice the shit out of it, which aside from actual rehearsals could be just a matter of playing it in your car and remembering the lyrics and rapping along to yourself. I don’t buy the no practicing in years thing at all, that’s his fault entirely. All speculation of course. 

Am I the only one that finds it lame that they just rap to a recording of themselves and it’s not just instrumentals? Like they literally just put on the full studio recording and rap over top of it. I hate that, which also makes it lamer that he’d fuck up so much. Is this common for rap shows? I’ve never been to any live rap acts aside from ICP shows.   

I’d have to agree, no excuses for not remembering lyrics make sense though I know if I were awake for 24 hours straight or more partying and running a festival, even trying to remember where to stand on stage could be trouble.

It is lame having the album just playing in the background but the whole ICP stage show is the equalizer. With faygo flying in all directions, and people running all over the stage, dropping the mic, falling, getting KO’d by a rogue 2 litre, are all very plausible. Imagine if that happened, mic went flying and nothing happened for a song or two. Its a lame explanation but seems to be the case.

Rap shows vary, most have no stage show like ICP, and are boring, sound nothing like the recording. Some rappers use the instrumental version and do all the rapping themselves, those are the better shows. The rest have the recording playing, barely rap and just yell “WHATTT?!” “UHHH!” “C’MON!” the entire time.

They don’t have the TFTLP instrumentals. The last time Dark Lotus toured, I got my hands on the backing track. All the TFTLP songs are straight up album versions, all the othes were either semi-instrumental or had the vocals mixed very low. 

How the hell would that make me special? I’m riffing off Cabracan’s post over here, wanna go jerk that in private maybe? I got a picture of VJ you can borrow to help you finish if you want.