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12:29 pm
April 23, 2012
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All over facebook, youtube, and twitter it's, "Violent J, how could you?" "Violent J is a liar," "Psychopathic is going under." What the FUCK do you know? Not you personally, but you know, the collective you. So Violent J just straight up lied and told everyone that Blaze left and expected him not to say anything? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but have you even considered that this is, gasp, some kind of misunderstanding? At least J is TRYING to explain what's going on at least on his end. You're all (and again, not necessarily you specifically, but the internet haters) so quick to throw him to the wolves. Can't the guy even misspeak or be wrong about something without it being some kind of malicious scheme? Is it being a "sheep" to give another human being the benefit of the doubt? None of us know the full story. From the sound of it, even J, Twiztid, and Blaze barely know the full story. In that DJ Fillin interview that just came out (which I could only stand to listen to the very beginning of), he says "Why is J acting like Blaze leaving is news? That's not news! That's old news!" Ok so that's old news and everybody knows it, except Blaze didn't even know it? Well Fillin would certainly have you believe that he knew it for months, so how does that add up? Fillin's just a straight up liar? Blaze is just a straight up liar? It's gotta be one of the two (my hunch is Fillin. And yes, Fillin being a liar would be a necessary consequence of J being a liar in this case. So if you think J is lying–which I don't–then that puts you in the Fillin-is-lying boat as well). And it's exactly THAT that makes this all such bullshit. People who have no idea just straight up lying and guessing about shit they have no idea on.
Violent J has a terrible business reputation and it's not fair. So many artists/employees who have left/been fired from Psychopathic turn around and say "Joe is a greedy bastard," but who's the only ones who AREN'T doing that? Twiztid. Why would they cover for him? Because they have to? Because they don't wanna lose fans? For one thing, when has Twiztid EVER not kept it real? If they had a personal beef, they'd say so. And even if they wouldn't, all you have to go on is their word. Maybe you're right and Twiztid got screwed over and are now covering for the guy who screwed them, but what the fuck kind of sense does that make? If Twiztid says things are good between Twiztid and ICP then you're calling them liars too if you still think J is hiding something. Oh it's just a big web of lies conspiracy, but they're not gonna fool you! You're too smart for that! Gimme a break.
I could go on but I'll stop there because even you were nice enough to read this post you possibly didn't care what I had to say anyway. Even I don't wanna reread it so forgive any typos :P. But if this thing DOES turn out to be blown out of proportion, I totally expect to see tons of posts from people saying, "I KNEW THEY WAS FAM ALL ALONG VIOLENT J WOULDN'T SCREW THEM OVER LIKE THAT!!!" right after saying Violent J is a greedy shifty asshole a few days before. So maybe hold off on the judgement? Honestly I don't think we'll get the most complete version of this we're gonna get until Behind The Paint 2 comes out, and that could be years from now.
12:40 pm
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May 22, 2012
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this is one of the more thoughtful, well presented and interesting points of view that anybody has expressed since all this dumb babbly bullshit started.
we arent children [well, some of us are, both figuratively and literally. but most arent. im not].
quit acting like children.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:47 pm
March 31, 2012
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i was just thinkin how prob neither one of their stories are lies & it was prob just a misunderstanding on both sides.… still tho fuck Silent Gay!!
12:55 pm
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May 22, 2012
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okay, everyone else stop acting like children.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:57 pm
January 11, 2013
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I think people are just getting fed with the secrecy of all this. For a label that was built on an honest relationship between fans and artists, they've been way more secretive with everything since Alex left. Twiztid leaving was the boiling point and we're still getting fed garbage. They're taking everyone for suckers. Like they're above letting us know the truth. J and Twiztid. J's doing his whole "just gotta think positive fam!" thing and Twiztid's joking around about it. That's not leaving a good impression and I don't know why people are defending them. 'None of our business' well gloves came off when J gave his "shoot" interview which was just hot air. If it wasn't our business they should have said that. Not play everyone for chumps. I'm not just blaming J though Twiztid deserves equal blame.
1:05 pm
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May 22, 2012
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youre only a chump if you cant live with it, if it somehow continues to affect you.
it is none of my business. i dont have to suddenly get involved just because of… what, exactly?
just to say it, psychopathic was probably built more on secrecy than openness. they used to stay in the shadows, you had to work to find even a picture of them before around 98 or so. i personally think that them opening up and dialoguing directly with fans hurt the mystique more than it gained them any credit. look at how ninjas are trippin now.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
1:08 pm
January 11, 2013
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In typical Psychopathic fashion I expect we'll get the story eventually... for $34.99 in J's book and if you collect 4 versions of Twiztid's next album you'll get the whole story in the booklets and if you buy Blaze's weed jar there's a hidden note in it that gives his side (10% discount if you buy the whole package). Or we can wait until 2017 for the next Lotus album where all secrets will be revealed, until the 6th of the second deck where the REAL story will finally be told and the end will consume us all until the 6th of the 3rd hand when that's revealed to us in the afterlife. Fuck.
1:21 pm
January 11, 2013
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I'll live with it without committing suicide don't worry but I appreciate the concern. Again I wouldn't have a problem with it if they came out and said it's not our business. But they're turning it into some thing with vague public statements that are playing their fans for dumbasses. As a long time fan I have a right to not be happy about it because I'm not a dumbass who's easily fooled by them. Not to mention Twiztid flat out said they'll give the whole story and now they're back peddling on it telling everyone to move on.
They were way more open about things back in the day are you kidding me? J would always be on the hotline or the website letting us know the scoop with everything going. Fans had to search to find them but when we did there was always news of what was going on and any drama. J was in chat rooms letting fans know the deal. Also I'm talking about the label was built on honesty. ICP were secretive early in their careers but when the label was being built from Twiztid on they started being honest about everything. Then it started changing after the 6th and first time Twiztid was gonna leave and then when Alex left. J used to spill his guts out at ICP seminars not caring if any beef would come out of it. Now it's all pc and annoying.
You can do what you want dude and not care and I can do what I want and be annoyed by it and calling it for what it is. Neither of us are in the wrong here.
I don't know if the open dialogue hurt or helped long term but it definitely helped between Milenko-Shangri-La. That's when everything came together for the whole scene.
1:24 pm
I am not freaking out about it, because like the OP said, fillin's interview he basically said that blaze leaving was old news. Also maybe J thought that once twiztid was gone that blaze would want to go as well so he said "Ok,Go ahead, much love", while blaze never had any intention of leaving in the first place, which i think is a little bit absurd to think. Blaze has ALWAYS been closer with twiztid then he was with anyone else on the label. Also consider that maybe IF psychopathic did drop him, they did it for his own benefit.Blaze is a performer on his music, he dosent write the majority of it, he dosent produce, he dosent master it, he essentially comes in and recites lyrics. Its sad but true, maddrox has written blaze's lyrics since the beginning and we all KNOW this.So maybe J sat back and looked at like "well with twiztid gone whats blaze going to do? i cant write all his stuff for him because juggalos shit talked that album to death" so for the sake of blaze being able to record music and put out material that the FANS WANT, maybe he decided it would be best if blaze leaves with twiztid
1:41 pm
January 11, 2013
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MitchellKing said:
Violent J has a terrible business reputation and it's not fair. So many artists/employees who have left/been fired from Psychopathic turn around and say "Joe is a greedy bastard," but who's the only ones who AREN'T doing that? Twiztid. Why would they cover for him? Because they have to? Because they don't wanna lose fans? For one thing, when has Twiztid EVER not kept it real? If they had a personal beef, they'd say so. And even if they wouldn't, all you have to go on is their word. Maybe you're right and Twiztid got screwed over and are now covering for the guy who screwed them, but what the fuck kind of sense does that make? If Twiztid says things are good between Twiztid and ICP then you're calling them liars too if you still think J is hiding something. Oh it's just a big web of lies conspiracy, but they're not gonna fool you! You're too smart for that! Gimme a break.
For the record I found this whole paragraph funny. So basically you said everyone who's had beef with J after leaving the label (which is a long ass list) is wrong because Twiztid is staying silent. Hilarious. Great logic. Twiztid has more to lose than everyone else who's left. They're not covering for J but they are covering for themselves. They just up and left the label like they did after 17 years but it was on great terms in your opinion? Riiiiiight. Yes Twiztid is hiding it just as much as J because they go from leaving the label abruptly to saying they're going to give a full statement to now telling us to move on without saying anything except to buy their merch and go to their tour. Gimme a break indeed.
1:49 pm
April 23, 2012
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Thanks for the positive feedback. Still expecting to hear the "sheepalo" word thrown out at some point though. I always hated that term because a sheep doesn't even listen to ICP in the first place. If anyone was any kind of sheep they damn sure wouldn't be listening to the most hated band in the world.
But yeah I'm of the opinion that it kinda sorta IS our business. I AM annoyed by the way things are being handled, and I DO take it somewhat personally. Maybe I shouldn't, but this whole Juggalo thing has grown bigger than ICP, Twiztid, labels, or business. I think we should know more or less exactly what's going on by now, and I respect J for doing that interview and trying to get it rolling. That interview was no hoe; that shit was long as fuck and touched on a lot of the most important topics. It was kinda pissing me off that Twiztid was being so tight lipped but they mentioned in a tweet that they can't really say much until the paperwork is finalized officially releasing them from Psychopathic, so I'm giving them a pass on that for now. Violent J really is the only one with any authority to speak on this as of now and I appreciate him trying to fill that role. Meanwhile you've got crackpot Fillin coming out of the woodwork to start some shit because he thinks he was under appreciated or some shit. In the Fillin interview that came out right after he quit/got fired/whatever the fuck, he said they didn't listen to his ideas even though he has a communications degree. Fuck your degrees! How many degrees do Violent J and Shaggy have? You think you know more than them? You've been here what, 8 years? Don't forget who owns the team. It's that kinda mentality that is bringing Violent J's reputation through the ringer. People wanna say, "Oh you know what I'd do if I were Psychopathic? I'd..." blah blah blah. No, you know what the fuck you'd do? You'd sit on your couch and smoke weed and play video games like you already do. You know what you'd do? You'd NOT start a multi-million dollar/revolutionary business. So how about a little faith in the guy(s) that did? The Fillins of the world need to learn some humility. Before you question a Violent J, think, "Am I gonna be remembered in 50 years like this guy is?" I know I'm riding J's nuts but I think anyone who wants answers owes him some credit. Twiztid actually might be remembered in 50 years. Twiztid has PAID DUES. Twiztid has earned the right to second guess, and wouldn't you know it, they AREN'T talking shit.
Honestly I could rant about Psychopathic topics for pages and pages. Idk why but yes I'm very passionate about it =/ Sue me...
2:00 pm
April 23, 2012
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YayYay said:
For the record I found this whole paragraph funny. So basically you said everyone who's had beef with J after leaving the label (which is a long ass list) is wrong because Twiztid is staying silent. Hilarious. Great logic. Twiztid has more to lose than everyone else who's left. They're not covering for J but they are covering for themselves. They just up and left the label like they did after 17 years but it was on great terms in your opinion? Riiiiiight. Yes Twiztid is hiding it just as much as J because they go from leaving the label abruptly to saying they're going to give a full statement to now telling us to move on without saying anything except to buy their merch and go to their tour. Gimme a break indeed.
I'm saying it for several reasons. That is just one of them. Another reason is that a lot of those people have come BACK to work with Psychopathic. Another reason is the character of some of those who have left; are you really gonna believe the Eshams of the world? The man is clearly a lunatic. Another reason is that lack of time those people spent with the company before bolting. If Twiztid left knowing they would have to live some kind of lie just to keep a career, then THEY are the shitty businessmen. You think Twiztid couldn't establish a career on their own? They wouldn't have to turn around and say "fuck ICP and fuck the Juggalos," but to go out of their way to continuously stress, "Yes things are still cool with us and ICP forever" when they could just as easily say nothing is a lot better evidence than, "Well why ELSE would they leave if it wasn't cause they were pissed??" or "They were there for 15 years so why NOW unless it's cause they were pissed?" That is reductive reasoning. You're starting with the premise that they're pissed and then saying "I don't see any proof that they aren't!" The reason for leaving after 15 years makes a lot more sense then leaving after 5; they've been there long enough to learn everything there is to know. There's no reason to stay there any longer if they want to grow BECAUSE they've been there so long.
2:05 pm
January 11, 2013
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That's pretty funny if Fillin said they should have listened to him because he had a communications degree. lol I listened to his interview but it was more him being super bitter about everything and rambling on then an interview. If I were you the last person I'd get worked up over is Fillin. But I definitely agree we the right to get angry over how this Twiztid thing has went. If juggalos can't get mad over this we may as well be sheep that trades our brains in for credit cards and buy everything they say without question.
2:13 pm
September 17, 2012
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The funniest shit to me are the people who say ICP are greedy...and then complain how ICP doesn't give more money to artists/employees. Sounds like someones greedy and it isn't ICP.
You rent a room out of my house for 5 years....you don't own the fucking house!!!!
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2:15 pm
September 16, 2012
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It will all be explained in the 1st deck box set never to be released, or n the book of j that will have such fascinating stories from this gay ass version of dark carnival, n blaze will finally die n come back as a ghost like mizery, & you'll have to dig up his bones burn em & the ashes shall reveal the dead mans story......
2:17 pm
September 17, 2012
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MitchellKing said:
People wanna say, "Oh you know what I'd do if I were Psychopathic? I'd..." blah blah blah. No, you know what the fuck you'd do? You'd sit on your couch and smoke weed and play video games like you already do. You know what you'd do? You'd NOT start a multi-million dollar/revolutionary business. So how about a little faith in the guy(s) that did? The Fillins of the world need to learn some humility. Before you question a Violent J, think,
True story
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2:27 pm
January 11, 2013
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Why say "Eshams of the world" when you yourself said "So many artists/employees"? You know what's what don't act stupid. Also like you've said Twiztid have learned. And one thing they've learned is talking shit after you leave is a bad move. You can buy into them just moving on as swift as the breeze because it's the right career move. I don't buy it. They helped build that label and stayed as long as they did because they believed in it. They also believed they were going to take over or atleast run things but over the years they were reduced to just their music with no input on the label itself. Basically reduced to nothing. I'm not gonna argue or try to convince you of anything though because their silence for months said everything I needed to know as well as the recent statements and lack thereof being made. I've been down long enough to know when I'm being bullshitted and you have every right to believe they're telling the truth. We'll agree to disagree.
2:34 pm
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May 22, 2012
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YayYay said:
I'm not gonna argue or try to convince you of anything though because their silence for months said everything I needed to know as well as the recent statements and lack thereof being made. I've been down long enough
youre not?
what are you doing, then? i mean, if you already know what you want to know, why complain?
ill admit, youve been somewhat more intelligent about it than most of the dramamongers, but its still pretty much dramamongering.
it is what it is, all the bitching in the world wont help any.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
2:35 pm
September 18, 2012
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I just think that there is much better things to do other than worry about drama that doesn't directly affect you, concern you, nor is there any thing you can do to change. Especially when the drama is all purely speculation.
2:41 pm
January 11, 2013
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scruffy said:
YayYay said:
I'm not gonna argue or try to convince you of anything though because their silence for months said everything I needed to know as well as the recent statements and lack thereof being made. I've been down long enough
youre not?
what are you doing, then? i mean, if you already know what you want to know, why complain?
ill admit, youve been somewhat more intelligent about it than most of the dramamongers, but its still pretty much dramamongering.
it is what it is, all the bitching in the world wont help any.
I could ask you why you complain about me all the time while thinking you already know me but I already know the reason to that. Boredom. We're assholes who wanna share what we think we know on the internet. It's so much fun to complain about people.
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