Psychopathic rydas dumpin

ahhh this is a hard one. i dont really consistently bump older shit.

unless it peaks my interest, ill stop listening after 6 – 12 months.

but in saying that, im almost always bumping something from carnvial of carnage. my favourite original jokers card >.< i cop alot fo hate for that, eve from juggalos :(

no psy related, ive been banging heaps of old school swollen members and jedi mind tricks lately. (i missed the big deal with JMT when i was growing up even though they were one of the few easily obtainable ‘underground’ artists in the day. so im catching up now.)

Does it have to be psy? I’m bumpin absolute power right now and fuck it holds up good.

Uh, as for psy? mostly just the obvious icp stuff. I always liked Cracked Tiles but most people hated it. Is that old school these days? 

darklotusfaygo said

Everyone says you have to put something new sounding out to be relevant but that’s not for sure. if ICP went back to the old sounding stuff like shangrila/hells pit with mike p on board you know damn well it would sound good. Doesn’t have to be the exact sounds, but the formula they used on the production was just dope

The thing is, artists don’t want to sit there creating the same things over and over again. It’s boring. It might sound OK but it becomes stale to perform. It’s why writers don’t write the same books, why tv shows don’t have the same plots. could you imagine watching a tv show where every season the hero fights a similar bad guy? It’d be a snooze fest.

I actually prefer that every jokers card have it’s own sound and while I like the sound of Shangri La and Hells Pit, I’d be seriously let down if a new album sounded too much like them. I liked the sloppiness of Shangri La, I liked the way the songs ran into each other and how there were bonus songs hidden at the ends of songs and shit, but I wouldn’t want them to keep doing that because you stop getting surprised. 

darklotusfaygo said
i’m not saying it has to sound like that at all. but why couldn’t they take a little from everything and incorporate it into the new music? like a little bit of milenko, riddlebox, ajb, shangrila, and hells pit all mixed into one. 

There’s a few reasons.

1. if they put out an album that sounded like a mix of different albums, it might not really flow well and people might complain that it just sounds like outtakes. 

2. They were in their 20s when they made riddlebox, they’re in their 40s now. they aren’t the same people.

3. If they came out with one that cherry picked YOUR favorite jokers cards, what about the people who like other albums? I really like Ringmaster, and novo said up thread he loves COC. Why exclude those two just because you don’t like them as much? 

4. If a band put out an album that sounded like it came from the 90s, with the rap rock sound, the sloppiness and shit, it would sound anachronistic. ICP do not exist in a vacuum and we – fans i mean – have to accept that they are going to want to expand their audience and will have to reflect the wider sound of pop music to some degree. They have to be relevant to new ears. Kids who are finding ICP today won’t give them a second listen if they sound old and stale and like they haven’t produced anything new in 20 years.

5. lastly, how often would they have to go back into the well? if they did it once, people would be mad every time they came out with a new sounding jokers card and they’d be caught in a cycle of never getting to really play with their -new- influences and their -new- ways of approaching music, and the -new- types of equipment. people wouldn’t be satisfied with just one album that sounds like that. they’d want EVERY album to sound like that. 

Since I got here it feels like I’m the only one who thinks LOST is balls out great. *shrugs* Then again, I always feel the odd one out for not entirely diggin’ Milenko. I like it when the Clowns are angry, I think. Lost sounds like a very angry, very cynical record (obviously with purpose). 

I like the sort of bi-polar nature of AJB muchly (literally how it can flip from the likes of “I Want My Shit” to “Terrible”, “The Shaggy Show” to “Assassins” – all befitting of the ying/yang nature of the cards concept) and obviously for me MEC’s productions never been better. Like the carnival boom-bap of Riddlebox on coke, with well worked guitars underlying everything but not distracting.

AJB also brought some killer truths lacing their typical rhymes which brought a whole other layer, which I kinda feel to a shorter extent on LOST, too.

“Rapper dies of AIDS buy you hardly mention/Rocker blows his face off and becomes a legend”

Dope.

I find Lost very forgettable. I’m all for trying new sounds and not living in the past, but Lost just didn’t do it for me. I think they were trying to act “angry” when they’re just not anymore at this stage in their life and therefore it doesn’t translate to the music.

There were definitely songs I liked and will play again, but nothing stands out as classic ICP to me that will withstand the test of time. Whereas House of Wax blew my wig back for the first time since BPB. I do look forward to Found so fingers crossed.