12:41 pm
July 15, 2012
I know there's already a DL thread but, you know, it hit me last night pretty hard.
I'm a Jeckel Bros era ninja. During my high school years, it was AJB, Mostasteless, 1 Less G, BizarreBizaar, Freekshow, and Dark Lotus. They all changed my world. I love those records. It was such a crazy time for me growing up, and in a lot of ways, these 6 records became the soundtrack to some of the hardest times I have ever faced. It sounds crazy, but…they empowered me. They gave me hope in those formative years. And ultimately I don't think I could have done all that I did to liberate and establish myself without them. They kept me going. Gave me hope. Got me through the madness into a brighter day.
And I'll never forget how I made that transition and how the juggalo world nurtured me along the way. You guys still continue to help me along. You give me an outlet for my creativity. There's hundreds of my paintings out there and, as of now, just about 200 copies of the tarot deck…the sheer mass of Psy-related stuff that I've done and continue to do is mind-boggling…It keeps me going. Keeps me creative. Keeps me dreaming.
And there I was last night, painting some lotus crosses on pouches for an order of tarot decks. Lotus cross after lotus cross. The fine details. My hand slightly aching. The smell of the paint. And it hit me…
No more Dark Lotus?
And I know some folks would rip me apart for saying this…but a single tear actually fell. Just one. Silently. I didn't even feel it coming and was suprised when I felt it.
For me, the Dark Lotus records are empowering and spiritual…they work on so many levels. The idea of that music–that magic–being shoved aside for some bigger business plan and profit margins just seems so…unbalanced.
And I get it–believe me, I do. I completely understand what Twiztid is doing here, hands down. 20 years in the game? Man, it's time. It is. I can't EVER tell an artist what to do and where to go. It is a business. It is! And the fact that a lot of my work is derivative of theirs gives me no right to tell them where or where not to go or judge or complain or anything…None. Nothing. I stay silent with open ears.
But I just feel like the juggalos have needed a new Lotus record for some time now, more than ever, especially with the gang label. I saw the Ashtrays and Action Figures clip someone posted here where Paul is laughing about the possibility of the Mayan Wheel on a DL cover ("..Talk to Joe BRUCE about that one…"), and I could only think of the phrase "life is what you make it." As is life, so is art. And if they don't want to take Dark Lotus seriously, then it will become a joke and a shtick and a gimmick.
But, to me, that's a sad thing.
There's a time and a place for everything. I just think that when all is said and done, the Lotus records are the crown jewel of everything these brothers have accomplished together as artists. They unified thousands with this music in the Family era.
Will those jewels gather dust and cobwebs in all this? Is another record even possible in the forseeable future?
Everything needs balance. But sometimes that balance works in a way that is beyond our own concept of what's right and/or fair. And that's a hard lesson to learn.
Peace.
1:02 pm
March 31, 2012
2:21 pm
July 15, 2012
2:45 pm
September 17, 2012
3:34 pm
December 3, 2012
It really does suck big floppy donkey dick. We were told at gotj '11 that a new lotus would be out in time for the gathering this year. Id assumed it would play off of the whole end of the world thing cuz thats right up lotus' alley. There is still a possibility of a lotus cd in our future so let's keep our fingers crossed
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
4:35 pm
July 15, 2012
Thanks, guys.
I feel you on the "shock" thing Cabal. The thought of losing Lotus is really what it comes down to for me...I think it's a great idea for Twiztid to control their own promotion, PR, merch, and all that. Great stuff! They'll do great things, and Jim Neve is fantastic! It's perfect. Both ICP and Twiztid will grow and learn from it.
But, as artists, Dark Lotus take it to that next level. It's deeper than anything else...If you really listen to Opaque Brotherhood...some of those lyrics...they are talking about consciousness itself; the cycle of life, death, and reincarnation; the soul journey; the warrior's path...No other rap artist or musician really takes it there, in my opinion. Not in the same way. It needs to be that combination of elements: that solid foundation and earth-sign of J, the altruism and personality of Shaggz, the fire and soul of Blaze, and the mental prowess and caustic demented duo.
And I don't doubt, Slumerican, that yup they'll realize this. They need the Lotus. And the fans do too.That's what I think people need to remember in all this: Dark Lotus is really something special. And letting that slip away, letting that CONNECTION slip away, has the potential to destroy everything we have built...the entire scene...it's not about the money. It's deeper than that.
5:12 pm
April 13, 2012
5:38 pm
December 3, 2012
"Even when i'm gone all ya gotta do is hit play" We will always have the three albums and all our life memories associated with them. Im looking back now in the midst of all this twiztid business and I think I have a renewed sense of purpose now. I'm reminded of why I became a juggalo in the first place. Not because I needed a sense of family and belonging, but because this music has touched me so. Throw ya DL's up!
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
6:30 pm
July 15, 2012
See? Even wonka's wit us on this. Lol.
Slumerican502 said:
"Even when i'm gone all ya gotta do is hit play" We will always have the three albums and all our life memories associated with them....
I don't want to think that this is the last of Lotus....I really don't. It doesn't feel right. Not now. Do the clowns and twiztid's camp really want to lay this down and hang up Lotus at this point in time? THIS crucial point? When SO much is going on in the juggalo world?
I mean, for real, divided we fall. It sounds dramatic: You might say, Rach, it's just Clownin' and it ain't that serious, but without it? The art and the music lose out. Egos gotta be put aside to channel that energy. That's all I'm saying. And folks really need to think about that.
Dark Lotus is important to me. The music is really special. And I just hope that the five makers of that music recognize that and follow through accordingly...the fans are depending on it. We love that music. It TAKES it there...you know it's deeper than just beats and rhymes and merch lines.
And I hear you when you say you fell for the music, Slum...but...over time...for me? It became more than that. The family and clique--call it what you want--it's important to me. These friends. My husband. My sisters. My adopted brothers. And now OUR kids. And this support system we have together. I'd go so far as to say in a lot of ways the community that has been built around me via this culture...it frankly saved my life in a lot of ways. It changed me forever.
Let's just hope it's withering to regenerate...I don't want to think of the scene without the depth that Lotus brings to it.
8:00 pm
April 3, 2012
i love lotus just as much as any of yall,but this past gathering at the twiztid seminar mono commented on how lotus wasnt something he liked to do anymore ,to him "it felt like the stuff that we do" and i kno he wasnt into the brotherhood cd he had that mean sound to him like he was doing it against his will almost,and i heard him comment on that b4 as well i just dont remember when..but i gonna wait till they speak on this,you kno twiztid will stir the pot sometimes to get reactions outta ppl..only time will tell
8:41 pm
March 31, 2012
docjonez420 said:
i love lotus just as much as any of yall,but this past gathering at the twiztid seminar mono commented on how lotus wasnt something he liked to do anymore ,to him "it felt like the stuff that we do" and i kno he wasnt into the brotherhood cd he had that mean sound to him like he was doing it against his will almost,and i heard him comment on that b4 as well i just dont remember when..but i gonna wait till they speak on this,you kno twiztid will stir the pot sometimes to get reactions outta ppl..only time will tell
he did that same pedo voice on wicked so i doubt it was against his will..
9:03 pm
April 13, 2012
9:10 pm
March 31, 2012
9:42 pm
June 20, 2012
I truly think that Black Rain was a powerful album,If you listen to Jump off towards the end,At the end of shaggys verse,He talks about the future of psychopathic and lotus,
Did Blaze really get shot the fuck down?
Did Twiztid really sell their souls to the underground?
After the 6th will ICP kill themselves?
Is ABK a real Warrior,Or something else?
I dont know and i dont care,
Just remember me,With my fuckin LOTUS in the air.
9:48 pm
April 13, 2012
9:55 pm
March 31, 2012
Squarepakk666 said:
I truly think that Black Rain was a powerful album,If you listen to Jump off towards the end,At the end of shaggys verse,He talks about the future of psychopathic and lotus,
Did Blaze really get shot the fuck down?
Did Twiztid really sell their souls to the underground?
After the 6th will ICP kill themselves?
Is ABK a real Warrior,Or something else?
I dont know and i dont care,
Just remember me,With my fuckin LOTUS in the air.
just sounded like addressing rumors humorously to me..
1:05 am
July 11, 2012
I talked to J at american psycho last oct. he said new Lotus would be out this year 2012.Didnt happen.So my guess its been recorded but they havent released it.Speculation.But I agree with the dude above man I grew up with all that shit too changed my life and it kills me to think that Lotus is done.There is a time and place for everything and hopefully the lotus will bloom once again!!
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