And ICP has sold out / has tried to sell out a billion times over their career. We all need to let that sell out shit go because both sides have shown they want to sell out over the years. Let's just look at what they're doing musically. Last great album Twiztid released was Abominationz. Last great ICP album was over a decade ago.

PunkRockJuggalo said:

Slumerican502 said:

I still have trouble wrapping my mind around the concept of juggalos who don't like twiztid...Just very odd to me

same goes for juggalos who dont like icp...  but the way i see it if u like twiztid support them if u dont like them dont support them but either way base it off the music and not so behind tha scenes drama  gossip or business decisions they made to better themselves 

yeah i agree with all of that..

I seem to remember ICP saying they don't hold artists to a contract when people were asking them about boondox leaving. Didn't they say something along the lines of, you want out, you can leave? I believe it was during their gathering seminar last year. I don't blame them for not wanting to let twiztid go, but this can't be helping relations between them.

The only problem with that is ICP were selling millions and touring huge BEFORE they tried selling out. It's the most back asswords thing I've ever seen. They were at their peak during Milenko and AJB. Platinum, touring large venues, etc etc. Growing the ICP name while remaining ICP. But since they got laughed at by "cool" people and the industry, they tried cleaning themselves up. "Cool" people still laugh at them, the music industry still doesn't give a fuck, and they lost 80% of their fan base. I do see a problem with that attempt to sell out because it didn't better them in any way, especially financially. So now that I think about it, I can't even be mad at ICP selling out anymore. It's the funniest backfire I've ever seen. Yet sad too because they were so good and entertaining back then. Greed is a helluva drug.

I agree with you about Twiztid bill but we have to be fair here. They did do Warped Tour and the USA gig. I'm sure they would have done more too if they got the phone calls ICP did. I'm sure they also regret not leaving Psychopathic earlier on and being more out there. I've learned over the years people only yell underground because the mainstream is giving them no attention. But once the mainstream does, boy does that 180 happen fast. The mainstream is a helluva drug.

Instead of saying "fuck outta here" after asking a question like there's no response to be had, how about you wait for one first to see if there is one? It defeats the purpose of asking a question. It shows your insecurity of not wanting a response so you can feel like you "won" something which you didn't. It also shows the insecurity of what you're saying. Grow up. ICP weren't sell outs signing to major labels because they didn't take a "fuck major labels" approach until after AJB. After Island merged and pushed ICP to the side and stopped caring about them. Up until that point they were just climbing the ladder. But they did sell out crawling back trying to get signed to major labels later on after saying fuck them.

And yeah Twiztid did with Warped Tour because they made a big thing about not doing festivals and then oops, Warped Tour. No different than ICP selling out with Woodstock. Twiztid gave up all rights to hold that against ICP.

Bottom line is when you say fuck something (going as far as saying you'll never do it) and then end up doing it for money, that's selling out. ICP and Twiztid are both guilty. ICP much more so. Then again Twiztid did say Psychopathic for life too so who cares. We've all sold out in life. No one's innocent.