9:44 pm
August 3, 2016
So. I was just thinking about the terms Juffalo and Juggahoe, those old derogatory gems we use to disparage, demean and discredit those who we deemed fake or unworthy of our culture. It’s fallen out of fashion lately, at least around my way. I consider this a good thing- when I was coming up many a pointless dramatic spat flew under the banner of who was ‘real’ or not (and more often than not the true genesis of these bitchfits had more to do with having designs on a female to steal or impress). The Juggalo underground has grown tenfold since then, and the parameters of what defines a ‘real’ Juggalo have grown ever more cloudy- even though it was always subjective to begin with. In my old circle we had defining standards that weren’t too rigid or unreasonable: You had to know ICP’s music, know the Joker’s Cards and have some kind of idea of what they mean. If you were more of a Twiztid or Blaze mark, that was fine too, but naming the cards was still required if you didn’t wanna get clowned on.
Of course we’re grown now with real shit to worry about, so those kinds of petty and stupid concerns fall to the wayside. Yet… the fundamental idea of a Juffalo- someone pretending to be a Juggalo- is real, regardless of whatever arbitrary standards we apply to it. In this thread, let’s share some true life stories of real Juffalos we’ve happened across. I have plenty.
#1. Artie Flowers
My first true blue encounter with a Juffie. And yes, that was his real name and he was every bit of cringe as it implies. Artie discovered Juggalos by accident, when he purchased a Wraith shirt from Hot Topic because he liked the design and discovered it comes with a free crew of strangers who all of the sudden approached him and gave him free weed. As soon as he came around, cats who knew him previously were like ‘Fuck him’ because he was formerly an obnoxious yoboy wigger, a stereotypical Eminem dickrider and generally insufferable ass. I gave ‘the new and improved’ Artie Flowers the begrudging benefit of the doubt, to see if he might integrate as a true Juggalo because I knew it wasn’t unheard of for teenagers to reinvent themselves. Oh, but Artie…Artie Fuckboy Flowers, there was never hope for him. His Juggafied persona only ratcheted his jackass behavior up to 11. He started telling people to call him ‘Juggalo Ice’ (not happening your name is Artie Flowers), started shit talking Eminem (while continuing to bump him in private, which he got called out on. Not because we really gave a fuck that he listened to Em, but because he was all Anne Frank about it), and further renounced his wanksta ways by stirring shit up with anybody who listened to hiphop that wasn’t raprock, apparently thinking Juggalos were some kind of militant rap metal movement. “If you don’t rep for ICP, Korn or Limp Bizkit you ain’t shit!” His high visibility cornball antics not only misrepresented us, but also made us look bad by extension. Eventually older ninjas from another crew got fed up with his shit and fucked him up pretty bad, stompin,g him straight out of Juggalodom forever.
#2. My lil sister’s homies
I might have mentioned that my sister introduced me to my first Juggalo homies. We all ran together tight in those days, and with her proximity to the people as well as her familiarity with the wicked shit, it came as no surprise when she decided that she wanted to represent right alongside me. A few years and a handful of highly toxic Juggalo boyfriends later, she changed her mind about all that, which also didn’t surprise me. She still shows Juggalo love and always reps for the music of her era, though. But this entry isn’t about her, it’s about her bandwagoning friends and their Juggalette phase.
There was Tabitha, Jess and….I forget the other lil thot’s name. Anyway, within two weeks of my sister’s ill fated ‘coming out’ as a Juggalo, all the sudden her friends were all lettes too. This is the same group of Lisa Frank binder havin’ Spice World watchin’ singing-Mmm-bop-on-repeat-til-I-snapped-broke-the-tape-and-caught-a-ass-whoopin-by-my-dad chicken coop it always was, but now they were all down with the clown suddenly. Tabitha’s ‘coming out’ was the worst. Just….pure cringe. “Oh. My. God. Like, I just don’t know how else to say it: I’m totally a Juggalette. I always have been, but it took until YOU guys showing me this world to make me realize it!” I just shook my head and insisted confidently that she was not, but whatever. Jesse started goin’ by Big Jess which….fair enough, bitch was big, and Lil Thotty was just doing what everyone else was doing cuz she was kinda dumb. They came to my house one day looking for my sis, all gothed out with hatchetmans on. All I could do is laugh. Eventually my own sister ended up telling Tabby off for being transparently phony, and she tearily admitted to just being jealous of my sister having more friends than her. Big Jess actually still ran with Juggalos for a minute and stayed having Juggalo boyfriends and Young Flop Thot went back to being basic cuz I guess she forgot or something.
#3. Eddie
Oh, Eddie. Donnie Derpo himself. Now, up until now these stories were about teenagers and their awkward but nonetheless natural process of discovering their identity. I was almost thirty when I met Eddie, who was pushing his mid twenties when he got hired at my job. He recognized my hatchetman and said he was a Juggalo too- and at this point I’m far passed the stage of abitrary initiation checks and took it at face value. What grown man would *want* to pretend to be a Juggalo anyhow? I learned through conversation that we actually knew a lot of the same people, that was good enough for me. He said he was about to join the Marines and wanted to do MMA, both nobel pursuits that I encouraged him to stick with.
Eddie was a strange bird. He was a short half-Filipino kid whose outward persona was that of a country-fried good ol’ boy. He had an Irish clover tattoo because I guess his dad was Irish, and repped the Confederate flag on his shirts, truck and phone. He also had emotional issues- his constant and rather annoying bitching about his life and implying he should’ve commited suicide instead of coming in for work whenever something didn’t go his way earned him the nickname Donnie Derpo. As in,
“Oh, you should have huh? Why don’t you go back in time and kill yourself then, Donnie Derpo?” Bare in mind it took a long string of repeated incidents before that became a thing and it was a name he initially gave himself. A coworker once pointed out, politely and in passing, that the Rebel flag is seen by some as a racist symbol. As it relates to his Juggalohood he explained that it was part of his heritage- which I get, I heard that before from other decent Juggalos. But this time Ol’ Donnie flipped his shit disproportionately, and when I tried to calm him down his verbatim response was “I’M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND BE CALLED RACIST BY SOME FUCKING JEW!!!” …To this day I lack an adequate response to that statement.
Other cracks in his narrative began to surface as time went on. We kept noticing his deployment date for Basic Training kept getting pushed back…3 months, then 6 months… his MMA talk was thoroughly put to bed when a coworker, a trained boxer, called him on it. To be fair Ol’ Eddie sacced up and agreed to a match in the parking lot, but he got bodied in under a minute by dude only using wrestling submissions.
The Juggalo thing came into question when an older lady we worked with was asking about my hatchetman. Her son’s friend was apparently a Juggalo and she sweetly and naively somehow thought that it has something to do with BDSM. I corrected her on that and explained it as a loose, vaguely fraternal counter culture based around underground rap.
“So, what do you have to do to be a Juggalo?” She asks.
“I dunno.” Says I, “Eddie, why don’t you take this one? What do you gotta do to be a Juggalo?”
“Well,” Says Eddie, “First, you have to take The Pledge.”
…..
“T-the Pledge? What’s that, some newskool Juggalo shit? I mean, I know Tech did a pledge a while back, but that has nothing to do with us…There’s no Juggalo pledge…”
“Sure there is.”
“Okay. Enlighten me. Recite the pledge.”
“I…uh…I forgot it. I have to look it up.”
“Eddie there’s no fuckin’ pledge!”
So one night we’re working together, just us, and I decide to dust off the old chestnut.
“Donnie Derpo! What’s your favorite Joker’s Card?”
“The Satanic Jester. That’s the best one.”
It amazed me that he could say these things with a straight face. Dude could look you dead in the eyes and serve up hot bullshit without so much as an uncomfortable glance. Instead of revealing my power level I simply agreed that The Satanic Jester was the banger and carried on with my night.
He invited the crew to his house to smoke one night. We chilled in his room, with his Redneck Proud poster of a diesel cartoon Bald Eagle holding an automatic rifle hanging adjacent to one of Tom Wood’s newskool Milenko. I browsed his CD collection. Foghat, Skynard, Molly Hatchet….bunch of country, nothing surprising there. And one ICP CD.
Fuckin’ Jugganauts, the ICP Best of Album.
“You like Boondox?” I ask, “I feel like you would. He’s like a chicken fried version of ICP.”
“No.” He says, passing the L.
“Haystack? Jelly Roll? Bukshot? Any of them cats? Country rap is a genre in and of itself, you know. I don’t really fuck with it, not like that, but I feel like you would.”
“No, I don’t fuck with country rap. I’m too white for that.”
I just sort of stared.
“But Eddie….I mean…..you’re not white…”
I didn’t mean anything by it, but it was true. He had his mother’s distinctive olive complexion. He argued that he was, in fact, whiter than me because he reps for The South. I had to concede the point.
All this came to a head a couple weeks later. I was just rambling on about some Juggalo shit to a coworker, as I do, when Donnie Derpo comes flying around the corner and interjects himself into our conversation.
“Yeah man! See, what you gotta understand about us Juggalos is: It’s all about family. It’s like-“
“Eddie shut the fuck up. You’re not a Juggalo.”
He didn’t talk for the rest of the evening. After work he approached me in the parking lot, puffing up his chest like he always did when he was salty.
“So I’m not a Juggalo then, huh? And who the hell are you that you get to say that kind of crap, huh?”
I shrugged.
“I’m nobody. Trust me, I’m the last guy who would say some shit like that, but it’s true. You’re not a Juggalo any more than you’re a Marine or training to be in MMA. What you are is a confused guy who happens to know a lot of Juggalos, and that’s fine. Just be that. The reason the Juggalos you *do* know- which are my people too- stopped fucking with you is because you fake the funk too much Donnie. You try too hard and talk about a bunch of shit you obviously know nothing about. Back in the day people used to get fucked up over that shit, because we see as disrespectful. People live this life for real. It’s cool if you don’t, nobody’s asking you to, but just be yourself, man.”
He backed off of me and deflated his chest. I felt bad for him. Still kinda do. I continued,
“See, out of principal I don’t even fuck with liars out the gate. But you’re not a bad dude when you’re not acting like a jackass, so stop acting like a jackass and we’re all good. But…what gets me is, of all the things to pretend to be, why choose a Juggalo of all things? Like, what’s the thinking behind it? ‘I know! I’ll say I’m a Juggalo, then people will *really* respect me!’ I’m for real baffled by this. What was your reasoning?”
He looked at his shoes and said finally,
“I don’t know. I just do things, and even I don’t know why I do them. I’m just Donny Derpo doing Donny Derpo shit. That’s me. You wanna go smoke?”
An epilogue to this story. Years later, long after ol’ Donny fucked off on a new adventure, his old neighbor came to work for us. Jim was the OG responsible for introducing Eddie to the Juggalo concept by Juggaloing in his old neighborhood. When I told him this story he laughed.
“Oh so Eddie’s a Juggalo now? He was the biggest hater back in the day. Eddie was the kid that was always going through some kinda phase. He was like a skater one week, then a punk kid, then a wannabe biker when Sons of Anarchy started. He was even tryna be a skinhead at one point! Who ever heard of a dark-skinned asian Neo Nazi? We used to call him Adolf to fuck with him. I don’t even think Eddie knows who the fuck Eddie is.”
“Yeah. Well, his new shit is MMA. He’s training at some gym nobody has ever heard of, apparently, and has been ever since I met him.”
“Oh yeah, bro. He’s been training for MMA at secret gyms ever since *I* met him. Back in middle school.”
So there you have it. I probably have more stories, but this post was already crazy long and this is all the entertaining ones. Anybody else have Juffahoe Tales to share with the class?
11:24 pm
September 18, 2012
11:44 pm
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12:07 am
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12:09 am
July 28, 2016
King Lucem Ferre said
Is that some kind of cat tail?
R U 4 REALZ
TLDR the op.
My story is short and sweet. I have this cousin who used to always claim how down he was. Despite the fact that I had been reppin the clowns for a decade before he picked them up, He claimed he turned me on to them and even worse that I was a juffalo because i didn’t wear as much merch etc.
This kid didn’t even know who Mike E. Clark was when I told him about kicking it with prozak and mike at a tech show.
This kid who thought twizzlers old group was pumpkin cavers.
This kid was all about the drugs and the shock value and spent no time on the more subtle elements of the juggalo world.
This fucking kid dropped the hatchet harder than anything I had ever seen because a chick told him it was whack.
But he used to say I was the poser lol.
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12:20 am
September 18, 2012
I was struggling to understand what a @cheshyr tail had to do with anything. I know those two juffalos are beefing over something stupid, who cares, probably one of them being a whiny bitch over nothing and that it was probably a jab but didn’t really have the cleverness of the post hit me right away. Now that it has I really appreciate it. Bravo. One simple, yet clever, jab. Didn’t have this huge essay of trying too hard to be funny that I gave up on half way through.
Actually, I bet their beef has something to do with MNE vs Psy. Stupid juggalos. Errr, stupid juffalos. Those two are juffalos. REAL juggalos don’t fight because it’s against the gang’s family code.
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TheFvckinKreeper12:28 am
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August 6, 2013
King Lucem Ferre said
I was struggling to understand what a @cheshyr tail had to do with anything. I know those two juffalos are beefing over something stupid, who cares, probably one of them being a whiny bitch over nothing and that it was probably a jab but didn’t really have the cleverness of the post hit me right away. Now that it has I really appreciate it. Bravo. One simple, yet clever, jab. Didn’t have this huge essay of trying too hard to be funny that I gave up on half way through.
Actually, I bet their beef has something to do with MNE vs Psy. Stupid juggalos. Errr, stupid juffalos. Those two are juffalos. REAL juggalos don’t fight because it’s against the gang’s family code.
Fuck you, we aren’t a gang! We’re a cult…
Not sure why the formatting is like that but it’s a pain in the ass to change on my phone.
12:43 am
September 18, 2012
1:55 am
August 3, 2016
2:04 am
September 18, 2012
TheFvckinKreeper said
…You know, it was their whole e-pillow fight that got me thinking on the Juffalo shit in the first place. Probably because it’s been years since I’ve heard that phrase used in earnest.
Wasn’t it Chesh that threw it out first? In that long ass trying too hard to be funny post that I only got half way through before giving up because it was boring as fuck? My self, it was drenched in desperate butt hurt. And I wasted my time just reading half of it. My precious fucking time I can’t get back that I could have wasted on something equally as stupid but more meaningful to me. It’s totally going to eat away at me when I finally kill myself. Like, “fuck, why did I waste so much time reading that stupid shit!” I cant quite lump him in with Ubi and Hahawooo yet. But if he keeps writing books to insult people rather than keeping short and sweet jabs here and there I will have to stop reading his posts.
2:06 am
September 18, 2012
7:28 pm
January 20, 2017
I dunno if my story is so much about being a juffalo as much as about this kid just being a compulsive liar and he would lie any time he saw an opportunity. My first show I ever went to was the bizaar bizzar show in Colorado Springs. It was right around my birthday (I wanna say 16th) so my mom said she’d buy me a ticket and drive my friends but they hadda get their own tickets. My crew that I hung out with at the time was 6 of us but only me and another dude were actually down and listened to the music. 2 didn’t even pretend to be down but we’re just down to go along for the ride. 1 just wanted to hang with us no matter what we did and then there was the compulsive liar who said he had all the jokers cards on tape…yea we still had tapes back then. I went to his house one time and there were no tapes to be found. Don’t remember what his excuse was. I put up with this dude because he legitimately was a wrestling fan and so was I and as kids did back then we had our own backyard fed. Anyway everyone got their tix cept the liar. He told us when his dad took him to get it they were sold out so he got the bone and didn’t get to go. I wanna say the show was a Friday or Saturday and I don’t remember the reason why but before we left school on Friday we told him that we weren’t going to be able to go and did he want somebody’s ticket. He said no but that he was gonna make it up to the show on his own and get in somehow cuz that’s how down he was. Of course we went and it was fuckin dope. Even the guys that ain’t juggalo had a blast. How could you not have fun at a clown show? So we went back to school Monday and asked him how it was. He said it was amazing. We asked for details. He said at around 16 he hitched a ride up there got scalped tickets. Ok possible so we needed more. We asked who opened. He said just Twiztid opened which is wrong they werent on that tour. We asked about the stage set. He said it was just a black background with huge icp letters which if you went to this tour you know it was one of their dopest busiest tour set designs they’ve ever had. I don’t think we ever even called him on it. It was just funnier to us that he would lie about something so stupid. As long as I knew the kid he always continued to pretend to be down with the music but the only album he really knew anything about was Milenko. We lost touch after high school but I know as an adult (at least 30 years old) he still puts on backyard wrestling shows with the crew he hangs with now and they play juggalo music in the background so…maybe? I think a couple years later he went with us to the mirror mirror show but didn’t know any of the songs
7:57 pm
April 18, 2017
I had a friend who claimed to be down and said that he listened to all of the music from Psychopathic. Then a few months later, had a legitimate argument with me that ICP and Twiztid were both made up of the same 2 people with different facepaint.
That has a some problems with it. Namely that he couldn’t have listened to all of the music from Psychopathic without having even heard of Dark Lotus or Rydas. I showed him a video of Lotus performing live and then he was just like “oh, I didn’t know that this existed.” Honestly I thought he was joking, but it turned out that he was dead serious. That whole “if it’s 4 people, how come you only ever see 2 of them at a tim…ohhhhhhh”
Just a stupid little thing, but come on. No need to lie just to get me to believe that are more than a casual listener.
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TheFvckinKreeper10:28 pm
October 30, 2013
Well, HIYA FOLKS!!!
I couldn’t help but notice this thread after being greeted with a wall of screen name notifications… so I just HAD to come!
Guess what?!
Today I’m in a good mood because I spent it watching all kinds of boobies in audition videos for a forthcoming club event!
What does that mean?!
It’s “White Boy Day”!!!!
In celebration of “White Boy Day” and in the spirit of this thread, I would like to contribute a story of my own.
As told by “Guest”… in his own words… It’s a tale near and dear to both our hearts but…
Without much further “ado about nothing”…
[here’s the “Cliff’s Notes” of the aforementioned “beef” I thought more of you were “hip to”…
Dedicated to my faithful reader, @lucem-ferre …. “an’ here I had a whole post planned referencing you as one of several other INTELLIGENT assholes I enjoy arguing with about shit around here; comparing OUR “spats” to “Rosencrantz & Gildenstern Are Dead” to “Guest’s, “Who’s On First?” as performed by retards…
Hope this clarity helps.”]
We begin our story already in progress…
Guest said:
Your fear is palpable.
Cheshyr said:
Go be hostile somewhere else.
I’ve never had time for any of your shit anyway…
Guest said:
I don’t use social media to communicate with artists. Why would I “ask em” what’s obvious? I rather just kick it here on FLH with you lovely people and discuss shit. Sound fair?
Scruffy said:
jus bein an ass.
Guest said:
That’s one of my favorite hobbies
Guest said:
I’m not a white knight, just trying to hold a company accountable for their hiring decisions. I can’t thump someone I can’t reach. Get real. Fuck trying to sweep this under the rug. That is straight up hoe shit. I will bump this thread until this matter is resolved or I loose attention.
Guest said:
You’re a juffalo. It’s painfully obvious you don’t get it. That’s on you…. but call me a troll too many more times… fireworks just might be the last of your worries at Lost Lakes. Consider this your warning
Guest said:
Juggalo apologists make me sick!
Guest said:
Noah, yup that’s me but I am always careful to label my speculation as such. I state fact as fact and best guess as best guess. Some people blur that line. Always check your sources. I do and it pays off.
Guest said:
Absurd. You’re just trying to play gatekeeper. I’m not a troll just because you don’t like my posts. That’s not how it works.
Guest said:
I’ve been to prison you can’t tell me shit about that or any of the other erroneous shit you’re rambling about, bitch. You’re about out of times you can call me troll. You might want to pace yourself. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. If I’m trolling why are you bumping the thread?
Guest said:
Keep bumping. You go ahead try to make it about me trolling FLH, semantics or (preferably) GWAR. All aide me. Bump the shit out of this. It’s really about guest accounts and unique daily views. It’s really about Wil Sigler and accountability. Why let PSY off the hook for this without a response? You go ahead and let subjective tastes and politics decide how you feel about rapists. I wear a hatchetman Ima go on fighting the good fight.
Guest said:
What does scare me, is big picture stuff. If PSY is cutting corners and decieving Juggalos, how can I trust them to provide a safe environment for me and my family to relax? The press-passes are already invasive enough, nowy we have a conceled sex offender? I’ll just blow off this rather expensive GOTJ this year and spend my money with Strong Survive this summer. I’ll be back in ’18. Not a big deal, not terrified. Just not to terribly impressed with this. I am protective of my family, maybe too much so. I will think about what you had to say about that.
Guest said:
Is he on their payroll? Probably, but in the end I don’t care if he volunteered his time. Putting him in means he represents for PSY and by extension, if you represent for PSY you represent for him. That’s how crews work.
Guest said:
I decided I am boycotting this year. I was planning on bringing my young daughter and while I know I can protect her, I am uncomfortable with Psychopathic giving their relationship with Will Sigler higher priority than the safety of Juggalo families. If they were open and honest, I could be reasonable. The way they are acting… I wouldn’t be surprised to find out Sigler was at the GOTJ running around in a blacked-out green man costume. Horny covicted rapist up at waterpark? I was trepidatious about bringing my grade school aged daughter in the first place. PSY shielding sex offenders with pixel blur is enough of red flag to convince me to stay home.
Only I won’t stay home. I think I will check out the Alcova Festival in Wyoming that same weekend. Inaugural events are always fun and I stand to make a boatload of money if I hit that up.
I aint hating on GOTJ. It is the best. I will be there next year for my anniversary. Hope to see you all then. Have fun this year. Try to stay safe.
[edit: Fuckface used a bad embed code so I can’t “quote” but here’s the link to how to “Learn How To Whistle With Your Fingers: It May Save Your Life…” found here:
]
10 Days and 1 Free Ticket Later [edit: sorry, there’s apparently a car pass and an extra ticket in there too. from “boycott” to “+1”]
Guest said:
After going back and forth on attending this year… I was gifted a ticket today, so I am probably going down for a day or two at least. I was feeling that AMFestival in WY but the the promoters are dragging heels… That may or may not be a goose egg, making me more inclined to hit up GOTJ. The complimentary ticket eases my conscious in regards to my boycott….
…I can be a cheap date. Waiting on that schedule to drop so I can figure out what’s good. Fuck the back!
…and the rest you know, True Believers!
If I had final cut on the artwork for our “book”:
Guest said:
…What is this?
…Some kind of art project?
Yes… yes it is… and I’m attempting a masterwork. Clearly painting a picture of you as a two-faced troll ass piece of juffalo shit you claim you ain’t and accuse others of being…
So “HAPPY WHITE BOY DAY”!!!
Again, I’m in a good mood but…
hey @guest … Father’s Day is coming up…. An’ I got presents for that open mouth of yours! Jus’ droolin’…
Bitch.
"Your lack of online social presence makes it difficult for me to predict your needs..." - 2064: Read Only Memories
1:52 am
September 18, 2012
Sorry, I just don’t want to read that much shit unless it’s really fucking funny.
Glad you had a fun time. My time was a waste of money at the XXXTentacion concert. The stage show sucked, he threw tantrums when we didn’t do what he wanted and I was surrounded by young teens.
Now fact time. I went to both this show and the Sadistik show. I spent $100 on merch at each. Guess what I got from each?
Sadistik: 2 shirts and 6 fucking CDs.
XXXTentacion: 2 shirts.
Bullshit, man, bullshit. Great music though.
2:14 am
August 3, 2016
I’ll just leave this here…
10:13 am
February 13, 2015
krunkazphuk said
The Juffalos I’ve encountered marked their territory at GOTJ withtape. Gather harder, bitches.
Didnt u miss part of the gathering cuz u were to hot?
And isnt ur ballas pass basically just a fancier vesion of said tape?
Also i dont mean to be ungrateful but we really didnt need the help last year. Made us feel better but no…
Do to my exceptional clown boy skills i was way in the grounds before alot of ppl.
U gotta stay on that workout regimen so u can keep up old man.
Cant flip flop around and then stop eating bread and buy a 80 dollor tub of powered who knows what.
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