I went to the old shit tour and never saw that kid. So he was probably only a local opener or something. Just like Hopsin, the only thing this joker does is diss anyone and everything he thinks will get him exposure. He doesn't like being made fun of though. He makes that very apparent by crying on his FB all the time. 

Yeah from A show, in philly. Not the whole tour. Hopsin hasn't ever opened for ICP. I think you're getting 2 sentences mixed up. This is the Hopsin sentence "Just like Hopsin, the only thing this joker does is diss anyone and everything he thinks will get him exposure." You also seem to be a little confused on what exactly "underground" is. You simply named the biggest mainstream "underground" acts out there. There is an actual underground music culture that has nothing to do with ICP, Tech, KmK, and Juggalos in general. Juggalos ran the underground when horrorcore and acid rap was underground. Years ago underground music was punk. Underground music has since evolved to a well informed hip-hop genre. The likes of pharoahe monch, Jedi Mind Tricks, Vinnie Paz, and AOTP. Not necessarily those groups or artists, but in general their type of lyrical styles. The types consisting of world politics, human rights, and pop culture in general. 

Welcome to the new underground. 

The Warlock said 

thats funny cuz i consider those artist to be the mainstream of the underground.. as well as the others you named like kmk, tech, & ICP... but cats like JMT, ill bill, immortal tech, atmosphere etc are def "mainstream underground" in my book

You forgot to quote the very next sentence......

Not necessarily those groups or artists, but in general their type of lyrical styles

And for the record I feel all of those are "mainstream underground" as well. It's easier to use those names because people know them. I was simply using them for their lyrical styles. 

Of course, but as I see it now the word "underground" is used to describe in majority those types of acts. Because the conscious world has slowly been waking up to hip-hop not being about cars,money, bitches, and killing. There's now a small but growing niche of young MC's coming up telling it like it really is, and spreading the world-wide consciousness. Reminiscent of a KRS-One. Would you agree? Or do you see something else as "underground"?

To me underground isn't those acts that nobody knows about. I see it as those acts willing to struggle to put out an anti establishment message. That's what ICP WAS about, that's what Tech WAS about. The difference is now these MC's coming up are putting out a well informed product, where there predecessors were just screaming FUCK THE WORLD.  Now that those types of acts are finally gaining notoriety and or some face time they seem to tone it down a few notches. They did their struggle, and they worked their hardest, so they don't feel they have to push those messages out anymore. 

Meh, I can't label such a large group of shit as underground. Your label just seems to be "Those unknown artists" and that's not underground to me at all. Just because you write rhymes doesn't make you underground. To me.....

RydaFoLife said
Yeah from A show, in philly. Not the whole tour. Hopsin hasn't ever opened for ICP. I think you're getting 2 sentences mixed up. This is the Hopsin sentence "Just like Hopsin, the only thing this joker does is diss anyone and everything he thinks will get him exposure." You also seem to be a little confused on what exactly "underground" is. You simply named the biggest mainstream "underground" acts out there. There is an actual underground music culture that has nothing to do with ICP, Tech, KmK, and Juggalos in general. Juggalos ran the underground when horrorcore and acid rap was underground. Years ago underground music was punk. Underground music has since evolved to a well informed hip-hop genre. The likes of pharoahe monch, Jedi Mind Tricks, Vinnie Paz, and AOTP. Not necessarily those groups or artists, but in general their type of lyrical styles. The types consisting of world politics, human rights, and pop culture in general. 

 

Welcome to the new underground. 

You realize you just gave vinnie paz the crown of the underground

RydaFoLife said
Meh, I can't label such a large group of shit as underground. Your label just seems to be "Those unknown artists" and that's not underground to me at all. Just because you write rhymes doesn't make you underground. To me.....

its not necessarily unknown.. its just the opposite of mainstream.. if not underground what would you call those acts??

You're also not the only person that didn't catch 

"Not necessarily those groups or artists, but in general their type of lyrical styles."

Why yall niggas so dumb?

Cry me a fucking river already. Seriously, get the fuck over yourself, you're embarrassing.

I glassed over that getting through all the hate. Underground IS a sub genre, a sub genre of hip-hop/rap. In this day and age there is no line between hip-hop and rap anymore anyways. Just like all of the sub genres I would put those people under. Nerdy? I got a friend that does that shit. He calls it Nerd-hop. Mc Chris calls it nerdcore. Criminal? Is that gangsta? Or is that just rap? There are a billion different sub genres to place people under, but underground should not encompass all of them. It is by itself its own sub genre. When people call artists underground for the most part in the juggalo community they immediately think it's juggalo related. Other non-juggalos say underground just to describe not being known. But real hip-hop heads know underground to be as i've described. In a few years it will probably turn into some electrotech bullshit. Underground is ever evolving, and it can only be underground for so long.